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The map took me a while to understand, but once it clicked I found it really easy to get to where I wanted to go.

It's because you can't put it on a shelf gathering dust, isn't it?

I thought it was shit and didn't play more than an hour or so, because I thought it was simply a hipster platformer with a one-trick-pony mechanic of spinning the world when you obviously run out of jumping platforms, made by an insufferable prima donna with mutton-chops.

Turns out it's got all sorts of puzzles that require you to decode things and construct cubes out of paper. Who knew!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iefXGaa ... e=youtu.be

It actually sounds like fun. But for some reason the game, the creator and most of the people who play it want to hide the fact that it has any depth because simply _finding out_ that it has depth it "one of the puzzles" and they "don't want to spoil it for you". i.e.: people like belonging to cabals and secret elite clubs

Pretty much everybody; you'd have to have wilfully ignored most of the information floating around about the game to come to the conclusion that people were hiding features of the game just to belong to a 'secret club' or whatever. It sounds more like you decided you wanted to hate it due to things not related to the game itself then set out to make that happen. Hell, even if you play it for an hour it becomes obvious there's secrets and unexplained stuff going on.

I didn't intend to buy it; It came with some tree-fiddy humble bundle. I've never read a review about it -- should I have done before playing it?

ps: You didn't complete the game, therefore you didn't do NG+, therefore you also aren't in the super secret club?
edit: Note: Dimrill talks about some of the super secret puzzles and needing NG+ to do them in this thread. I assume he got paddled by the super secret cabal for breaking NDA.

That's really up to you of course, but if you don't read anything about the game at all then saying everything about it is some massive secret is going to be a difficult stance to adopt surely? The information that there was more to the game than gimmicky platforming was totally out there, and I think it's fair to say most other people were aware of it, so the fact that you avoided the information doesn't mean you can claim it's a secret. Also, as I said before, the game makes it pretty obvious there are puzzles going on even if you come to it blind and play it for an hour so how you managed to do so and come away thinking 'gimmicky platform game' is pretty hard to understand. That, and all your stuff about hipsters and beards, was the basis of my assumption you were just looking for reasons not to like it.



In as much as I can't be in something that doesn't exist, you're entirely correct. During my time with the game directly I didn't solve all the secrets because, well, I didn't finish the game. Surely that's true of anything you don't play all the way through? Knowing I wouldn't go back to it I just read up on it all so now I know it. The same as if I'd read up on anything else I didn't directly experience. If that makes me a member of a super-secret cabal then also so are all people who know how to make pancakes because they've read a recipe and I haven't bothered.

In all seriousness, it's true that people didn't want to spoil the specifics of the puzzles because part of the fun for those that enjoyed the game was in the discovery and solution of said puzzles. However, you're not just claiming that; you're saying that the very fact that there was more to it than platforming was super-secret--that the entire idea of the game having more depth than that was closely guarded--and that's simply not true. The Eurogamer review, for one example, not only mentions the existence of the puzzles but even spells out that NG+ holds extra secrets and is required to truly finish it.

ITT: someone, probably myp, mocks me for not knowing how to make pancakes. I know it's trivial and it was a bad example but I couldn't be arsed thinking of something else.

Man, I can't believe you don't know how to make pancakes. They're so trivially easy.

I didn't get on with the Fez demo much. It seemed nice and all, in a cheery "Hello, I'm a twee game with lots of nice touches and stuff", but I wasn't much in the mood and had no desire to see if I was missing anything.

Also, you can't make pancakes!? I've never tried but I bet I could. Hope that helps. 'k thanks bye.

This is a good starting point: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/basic ... suga_66226

Sure, to make OK pancakes. But like a lot of simple foods -- poached eggs, scrambled eggs, bread -- it's tricky to make great ones.

That's more of a myth put around by foodies than an actual fact. "Unless you know the super secret trick handed down by Shaolin chefs of making the scrambled eggs at first light on midsummer's eve on top of primrose hill using an organic pan made from woven yoghurt you'll never get them tasting like I had at that charming bistro in Hempstead, dahhhhling."

I reckon you'd probably like it due to the fact it doesn't hold your hand through the puzzles and leaves you to explore the world. Annoyingly it was part of a Humble Bundle which also featured the excellent Trine 2 and Mark of the Ninja and you could've got the lot for your new typewriter for very little money but that's expired now.

It's like you're deliberately ignoring my joke, Good Sir.

Couple of things to try before I go to bed: use the fragrant branch on the stone woman or the giant in the valley of the giants.

And then have a look at the boat at the beginning.

Wow, I really did miss a lot in Fez.

Praise the sun!

It's like you've never done that yourself.

Touch me.

I notice myp, with his 200% completion, is staying quiet about his inclusion in the super secret cabal. THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.

Proof if ever there was that a super secret cabal exists.

I can neither confirm nor deny.

I'm reet in the mood for this, for some reason. It's finally just clicked with me and I want to collect all the cubes. COOOOBES. I have 12 of them.

I am the smart. I am the smart. S. M. R. T. I am the... etc.

23 COOOOBES! And 2 negative coooobes?

I'm shit at the puzzles (having solved about 2) but I'm enjoying the journey for coooobes.

110% so far. I'm counting that as complete since there's no way I'm getting 200% without a guide. I've had a little look at the puzzles for the remaining cubes and, frankly, it's all out of my brain capacity.

An entire alphabet to discover and transcribe? Cool but I doubt I'd have figured that out in a million years and I certainly wouldn't have the patience to transcribe all the tablets and spoken words in that language.

The Tetris shapes "key"? It's tiny on screen, and again, I doubt I'd have clocked it.

Other stuff? I'd got a few of the easier puzzles but the learning curve for the rest is a vertical climb.

I enjoyed it, hell really got into it, but the obscurity of the remainder of the puzzles is too much for me. It's a good job I looked really or I'd have been fannying around for ages wasting my time.

Shame really, cause it's put me off pursuing it further on skill alone.

I would like to actually play this one day.

Is completing the game but being aware that you're not a member of the super secret NG+ cabal very unsatisfying? I don't want to be unsatisfied...

Jesus Christ dude, just play the sodding game and stop banging on about secret cabals; you're being very weird about the whole thing.

I am part of the NG+ secret cabal and I'm saying you're not allowed to join, Pod. You will never play this game!

It wasn't unsatisfying for me. And having watched the ending when you get all the cubes I can honestly say that I didn't miss much. Other than the journey of course, but if you want to go riddle solving after you've finished the game once then I'm sure you'll have fun, and even if you don't I'm sure you'll still think it was a pretty good game regardless.

Jesus Christ dude, just post the sodding posts and stop banging on about my jokingly banging on about secret cabals; you're die of a stroke that way.



CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

(It'll be completed in about 5 years when I actually start playing. Hopefully Bamba is still alive by then to continue his denial of the secret cabal)

If being annoyed on the internet was fatal then more annoying people than you would've accomplished the job a long time ago. And myp would probably be history's most famous mass murder by now.

Infamous.