Russian aggression in Eastern Europe

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Also, fuck off Chamberlain.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

I heard on radio that spouting bullshit is simply how Russian politics work, always has been. The person doing it knows it's bullshit, everyone who hears it knows it, the person doing it knows everyone knows it, etc. All you can do is spout your own bullshit in return. :shrug:

And if Einstein was right, why are we still trying to install democracies everywhere? EH?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Because sometimes, democracies work. More often than any other system does.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Sat Feb 28, 2015 0:43

Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead ahead of anti-Putin march. By a lone nut. Okay, five lone nuts. In a car. In the back. Possibly the gunmen were people on vacation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061

Depressingly the Russian Times comments section is full of how the Jewish conspiracy CIA funded traitor deserved it.

Seriously, fuck Russia.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:23

Oh wow, Putin's going to personally head the investigation! I am immediately reassured!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Fuck me, he's not even trying any more.

Morte · **Posted:** Sat Feb 28, 2015 22:07

Sorry...can we all club together and get him the fucking rent boy he's been absolutely been gagging for?

Strangely, when I mention this to my Russian colleagues, they go mental...which means it must be true, he's gagging for the cock.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:07

Putin is 'shocked, shocked' at illegal gambling political killings in Russia.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Sun Mar 15, 2015 17:38

Wo ist Putin?

Interesting article on the Beeb regarding the current mysterious absence of Putin, him not having been seen in public since the 5th of March. A recent Kremlin press release showing photographs of Putin attending events have been discredited since local media reported that they had in fact been taken days earlier. And Putin's close ally, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, has released an instagram post declaring his loyalty to Putin. "I am devoted to him as a person. And this regardless of whether he is in his position or not!"

Rumour-mongering has it that powerful figures in the FSB, angry at Chechen officials ordering the elimination of Boris Nemtsov, have formed a faction and moved against Putin.

More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31897304

Who knows what's going on? He might simply be playing City Skylines a lot and trying to use mod assets to build gulag for his enemies and a sexy homo-erotic stud ranch for himself with monster-trucks and gun-racks and everything. But until we find out this is all sounding excitingly Soviet old-skool. Cue that LeCarre spy-thriller cello soundtrack, I think.

Probably just has a bad cold, mind.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

So, looks like Trump and L'il Kim may be our best bets now.

Poor, poor Guam. What have they ever done to anybody?

I'm actually genuinely concerned that the man-babies in charge of the two countries may escalate to a full scale war before we know it, probably destroying most of South Korea in the process, just because both of them have tiny hands and are just massive, massive tools.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:11

It'll keep the Russian stuff out of the headlines for a bit.

But yeah, I really don't trust Mr Trump, his temperament, or his grasp of international affairs (Miss World notwithstanding).

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

You can also tell I'm genuinely bothered by this because I didn't bump a year old thread with another massive, florid post.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:13

You just happened to be searching for 'topless Putin'?

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:14

MrChris wrote:

So, looks like Trump and L'il Kim may be our best bets now.

Poor, poor Guam. What have they ever done to anybody?

I'm actually genuinely concerned that the man-babies in charge of the two countries may escalate to a full scale war before we know it, probably destroying most of South Korea in the process, just because both of them have tiny hands and are just massive, massive tools.

Yes. But, i take some comfort that Kim isn't THAT stupid, and it'll be deescalated by China whilst Trump crows over it. The NK statement was awesome, though "Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason".

I hope it doesn't end in a nuclear winter as Londoners moaning about not getting to work through snow will be insufferable

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Kern wrote:

You just happened to be searching for 'topless Putin'?

And, would you believe it, Google chucked up this thread!

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

It's not like both of them are entitled idiots who have never really had to back down in their entire lives. Or if they have it's ground their gears for decades to create a seething resentment that only monumental dick waving can resolve.

It's not as if a military engagement would be an excellent distraction from domestic concerns for both parties.

I don't want know what anyone is worried about.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:15

If only Pyongyang had a Trump Hotel...

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

There's no way in hell that NK will strike first. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. The Trump* card here is the whispers in the President's ear. How a preemptive strike could save lives by taking out the NK nukes. Resulting in hundreds of thousands of Koreans killed in a land war.

Or something. I dunno.

*Clever, I know

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:18

"State media said Hwasong-12 rockets would pass over Japan and land in the sea about 30km (17 miles) from Guam, if the plan was approved by Kim Jong-un."

Knowing our luck, the rockets will veer off course, accidentally hit Guam and all hell will break loose.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

Or hit Japan. A nation that has vowed never to declare war on anyone again. That would be complex.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:24

What's the UK position on all this? Not that Mr Johnson is someone I have much faith in.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

Kern wrote:

What's the UK position on all this? Not that Mr Johnson is someone I have much faith in.

"GO GET 'EM DONNIE! YEAH! FUCK THOSE COMMIES UP!"

Maybe.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:27

Kern wrote:

What's the UK position on all this? Not that Mr Johnson is someone I have much faith in.

Something along the lines of 'sorting them out', mixed with a bit of latin and some obscure phrases with mildly racist overtones

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:06

devilman wrote:

Kern wrote:

What's the UK position on all this? Not that Mr Johnson is someone I have much faith in.

Something along the lines of 'sorting them out', mixed with a bit of latin and some obscure phrases with mildly racist overtones

It is a quandry, but May has said she would turn places to glass if needs be.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

Teresa May - Yesterday.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Trump seems like the worst person imaginable to have in charge of a nuclear standoff. I hope that if things start getting out of hand the grown ups, if there are any in the White House, will just lock him in a cupboard or shoot him or something.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:19

MaliA wrote:

The NK statement was awesome, though "Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason".

Is this really what they said? If so, that's brilliant.

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:23

TheVision wrote:

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

Yes, people starving in the streets while others are summarily executed is great fun!

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

Lonewolves wrote:

TheVision wrote:

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

Yes, people starving in the streets while others are summarily executed is great fun!

Are you auditioning for a presenter spot on Trump TV?

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:30

Lonewolves wrote:

TheVision wrote:

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

Yes, people starving in the streets while others are summarily executed is great fun!

These are cultural differences and should be respected. And not appropriated.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:36

TheVision wrote:

MaliA wrote:

The NK statement was awesome, though "Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason".

Is this really what they said? If so, that's brilliant.

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

Their press releases are awesome.

And tney have updated their webpage

http://www.korea-dpr.com

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

https://open.spotify.com/user/nikhorne/ ... SBLAITXmm9

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Trousers wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

TheVision wrote:

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

Yes, people starving in the streets while others are summarily executed is great fun!

Are you auditioning for a presenter spot on Trump TV?

Are you implying that seeing issues with North Korea is the same as supporting Trump? Because that would be stretching logic to breaking point.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:52

devilman wrote:

"State media said Hwasong-12 rockets would pass over Japan and land in the sea about 30km (17 miles) from Guam, if the plan was approved by Kim Jong-un."

Knowing our luck, the rockets will veer off course, accidentally hit Guam and all hell will break loose.

It'll give them a chance to try out their missile defense...

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4668

Are the missile defence systems any good, though?

It'd be embarrassing for the US if they tried and failed to shoot down the 'warning' launch NK are talking about.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

This is where we discover that the Star Wars program of the 80s was never cancelled, does exist and Trump actually has a fully operational space station!

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:48

If they did, Mr Trump wouldn't stay on it. He prefers his own gold-plated spaceships, and billing the taxpayer for their use.

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

Bamba wrote:

Trousers wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

TheVision wrote:

North Korea is quickly becoming my favourite country.

Yes, people starving in the streets while others are summarily executed is great fun!

Are you auditioning for a presenter spot on Trump TV?

Are you implying that seeing issues with North Korea is the same as supporting Trump? Because that would be stretching logic to breaking point.

Nope.

Lonewolves said a thing clearly taking the piss. I deliberately ignored the piss taking aspect in order to note that such overly positive statements regardless of reality is very much what I have seen on Trump TV

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

I didn't realise he could just push the button whenever he fancied, I always assumed there'd be military types and suchlike who'd refuse to enter their launch codes on the grounds that Trump is clearly fucking psychotic.

If this is accurate then it's really quite scary.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... orth-korea

Quote:

As Trump has learned in recent months, the man in the Oval Office cannot simply issue a decree changing, say, the US healthcare system. He has to build majorities in the House and Senate, which is harder than it looks. If he wants to change immigration policy, a mere order is not enough. He can be stopped by the courts, as Trump saw with his travel ban. But if he wants to rain fire and fury on a distant enemy, bringing more fire and fury down on his own citizens and many hundreds of millions of others, there is no one standing in his way. Not for nothing does the geopolitical literature refer to the US president as the “nuclear monarch.”

The more you hear of the simplicity of the system, the more frightening it becomes. If Trump decides he has had enough of Kim Jong-un’s verbal threats, he merely has to turn to the low-level military aide at his side and ask them to open up the black briefcase that officer keeps permanently in their grasp. The bag is known as the nuclear “football”. (It gets its name from the code word for the very first set of nuclear war plans: dropkick.) Inside the bag is a menu of options, explained in detail in a “black book,” but also set out in a single, cartoon-like page for speedy comprehension. Trump has only to make his choice, pick up the phone to the Pentagon war room, utter the code words that identify him as the president and give the order. That’s it.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:16

I commend the efficiency of the process

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Yes, it's good to know that we can see in the end times of the human race with minimal red tape getting in the way.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:41

Taking back control

Kern · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:57

North Korea is so last week. He's after Venezuela now.

Next week: Skaro.

Kern · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:59

Also, /r/TrumpCriticizesTrump is a fun timewasting reddit.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

On how easy it is - I read a proposal years ago that said it should be someone nearby with the codes held in a little pill sized implant next to their heart and they carry a large knife with them - if the president wants to use them they just need to use the knife to kill that one person ...

I saw it tweeted again at some point this week let me find the actual wording

Ah , proposed in 1981

http://boingboing.net/2015/12/11/propos ... r-lau.html

Quote:

There is a young man, probably a Navy officer, who accompanies the President. This young man has a black attaché case which contains the codes that are needed to fire nuclear weapons. I could see the President at a staff meeting considering nuclear war as an abstract question. He might conclude: “On SIOP Plan One, the decision is affirmative, Communicate the Alpha line XYZ.” Such jargon holds what is involved at a distance.

My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being. The President says, “George, I’m sorry but tens of millions must die.” He has to look at someone and realize what death is—what an innocent death is. Blood on the White House carpet. It’s reality brought home.

When I suggested this to friends in the Pentagon they said, “My God, that’s terrible. Having to kill someone would distort the President’s judgment. He might never push the button.“

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 14:38

What a great strategist Mr Trump is:

BBC wrote:

US President Donald Trump has tweeted that Russia should "get ready" for missiles to be fired at its ally Syria, in response to an alleged chemical attack near Damascus on Saturday.
"Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!'" Mr Trump said in his tweet.

devilman · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 14:49

Kern wrote:

What a great strategist Mr Trump is:

BBC wrote:

US President Donald Trump has tweeted that Russia should "get ready" for missiles to be fired at its ally Syria, in response to an alleged chemical attack near Damascus on Saturday.
"Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!'" Mr Trump said in his tweet.

And then later that day, he was open to sorting things out with Russia -

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/984048197533425664

Left, Fox & Friends, 7:04 am

Kilmeade explaining how U.S. sanctions are wrecking the Russian economy: "their market has dropped maybe 10-20%, ruble dropped, their steel company has dropped 50%"

Right, Trump, 7:37 am pic.twitter.com/lbvWnyBxma
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) April 11, 2018

Someone needs to tamper with his Fox & Friends feed. Maybe just switch it out for cartoons.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 14:50

America is now what's known as a media-run state.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 14:58

At least nothing of consequence happens when I yell at my TV.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:00

Unsure about what the next step should be. We can't let people get away with using chemical weapons, but just firing a few rounds at sites won't achieve much. Anything further than that, however, risks massive escalations and Russia's involvement in the area and support for the regime complicates the matter further.

All that, and I don't really trust the current US administration and rather think Mr Trump wants something like this to boost his virility.

Thoughts?

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