Interesting... *dons tinfoil hat*

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:33

Sorry to link to the d**ly m*il.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html

Quote:

Vital evidence which could solve the mystery of the death of Government weapons inspector Dr David Kelly will be kept under wraps for up to 70 years.

In a draconian – and highly unusual – order, Lord Hutton, the peer who chaired the controversial inquiry into the Dr Kelly scandal, has secretly barred the release of all medical records, including the results of the post mortem, and unpublished evidence.

The move, which will stoke fresh speculation about the true circumstances of Dr Kelly’s death, comes just days before Tony Blair appears before the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq War.

Hmmm.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

Well, damn. Can a guvrnmnt enquiry override the official secrets act?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

How does a peer get to randomly seal the results of a criminal investigation, on his own authority?

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

pretty fucked up

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:37

I think there's something going on.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

Well, there's only one reason to seal the port mortem, isn't there? If Kelly official committed suicide and the post mortem says otherwise.

When will they learn, it's easier just to buy off doctors than to seal the records.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:43

Mmm, until I see it from a source that isn't some trash rag with an agenda, #i'mquite doubtful about the whole thing.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 13:28

Not long to go now.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

It's in the mirror as well according to news.google.

I also saw it in the metro this morning.

So no, no reputable sources yet.

But if this is true, then tin-foil hat be damned. Thats a cover up.

I'm trying to think why a suicide needs to be kept secret for 70 years that isn't 'because he was murdered'.

Hmm, what if it was because of some weird sexual thing or something? I still don't think they would cover it up for that would they?

This needs protesting, it's crazy if true.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Aha AP link:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5goGhY_XNsqqrr2YR5j3pP24avumw

Fucking hell.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

3rd post rollacoster.

Just emailed my MP

Quote:

Dear Nick,

I write concerning this story in from the UKPA:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 3pP24avumw

Considering the extremely important circumstances of this tragic death I find this highly unusual decision both troubling and unjust. The post mortem either supports suicide and so should be released to end speculation around the circumstances of his death, or brings evidence of other events occurring which is of great importance and public interest.

Considering the current Iraq inquiry I feel that these records should be released to reassure the public.

As my elected representative I request to know a) your stance on this issue and b) what steps you will take to pressure the Government and Lord Hutton to release this information.

Yours sincerely,
Dr X X

(Busting out the Doctorate)

GazChap · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 15:07

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but the idea that this guy committed suicide has always had bells on.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 15:12

Thanks Gaz. I told them I was pushed!
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markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

GazChap wrote:

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but the idea that this guy committed suicide has always had bells on.

I seem to recall that his wife regarded it as suicide and was very much of the opinion that he had been driven to it by the way he was treated. Unless that's what they made her say. I think it's fucking shocking what happened to the poor guy but I don't think he was murdered by the state.

kalmar · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 15:28

Blair totally had him killed.

[vote:Blair]

(That sounds sarcastic - I genuinely think he was pushed to it by MI-whatever goons)

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Blair would have sent blunkett round to garotte him in his sleep, I expect.

Someone should really email the daily mail to explain to them what 'draconian' means.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

I didn't think he was killed for a second.

But now that they've hidden what happened for 70 years its impossible to reach any conclusion apart from this is a whole affair is dirty.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

sinister agent wrote:

Someone should really email the daily mail to explain to them what 'draconian' means.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 17:49

A walking bollock with shoulder pads?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

What I don't understand, and referred to at the top of the thread, is where the legal authority lies here. My understanding was that Lord Hutton was effectively the caretaker of this investigation, allowing the relevant experts to collate the necessary data and then presenting a summary of his findings. How does that extend to being able to seal the records of a criminal investigation?

Was the sealing order made while he was still a law lord, or more recent?

(As an aside, I'm pretty sure there's no cooler title in the world than Law Lord).

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

law ninja

The Rev Owen · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 17:53

DavPaz wrote:

law ninja

Chaos ninja.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

I'm assuming that as a Law Lord you get a big staff, covered in runes.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

They probably sent malcom tucker round to swear at him til he died.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Craster wrote:

What I don't understand, and referred to at the top of the thread, is where the legal authority lies here. My understanding was that Lord Hutton was effectively the caretaker of this investigation, allowing the relevant experts to collate the necessary data and then presenting a summary of his findings. How does that extend to being able to seal the records of a criminal investigation?

Was the sealing order made while he was still a law lord, or more recent?

(As an aside, I'm pretty sure there's no cooler title in the world than Law Lord).

Lawyer peeps here. ANSWER THIS.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

I'm going to paraphrase that Craster (if thats ok) and ask Jack of Kent (a skeptical/civ lib blogger) from the nerd meet that is Skeptics in the Pub.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 18:11

Craster wrote:

I'm assuming that as a Law Lord you get a big staff, covered in runes.

I'm sure that whomever holds that post is rather high up in the masonic hierarchy, so I expect they already have a rune covered staff.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

LewieP wrote:

They probably sent malcom tucker round to swear at him til he died.

It's how we'd all like to go.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 18:26

Lord Humongous has the best title. Ever.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 18:27

Dur, it's obviously Suikakujyu.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 18:44

Craster wrote:

(As an aside, I'm pretty sure there's no cooler title in the world than Law Lord).

First Sea Lord's pretty cool too.

Zardoz wrote:

Lord Humongous has the best title. Ever.

Lord Adonis, surely?

Plissken · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 19:07

As pointed out on the News Quiz, one of the most senior judges is called Judge Judge.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Dr Lave wrote:

I'm going to paraphrase that Craster (if thats ok)

Of course.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/25/david-kelly-suicide-hutton-inquiry

Grauniadn with a more detailed summory of events. What I didn't realise was that he sealed it back in 2003. One person in the article suggests that the staffers who mentioned it was sealed weren't supposed too, suggesting that other stuff may also have been hidden.

It also reiterates that its unlikely Hutton has the power to have sealed it.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Craster wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

I'm going to paraphrase that Craster (if thats ok)

Of course.

Cheers (he didn't notice my tweet). I'll pester him next time I see him.

Be Excellent To Each Other

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