Be Excellent To Each Other

I'd imagine the bomb going off will reverse everything, surely if the plane never crashed and the following storylines didnt happen then they couldnt put the bomb into the hole anyway. So the first episode of the next season should be in a loop until some variable changes, some event we've seen already having a different ending. Maybe ben killing locke doesnt happen, or juliet doesnt set off the bomb.

OR, since the loop encompasses those thirty years, the next season is about the stuff going on after the loop, with Jacob and his 'buddy'.

Of course, since we actually know that at least some of the people standing directly next to the hydrogen bomb survived (Miles's Dad, for one), I fully expect to be disappointed when the new season starts.

No, we know they survived the Incident. We don't know if the bomb or the drill was the Incident. So Chang might be dead next season.

it's all going to be a dream or something

We dont know if they survived or not. I hadn't thought the white flash might have been the drill causing the incident rather than the bomb though.

Curio said we know Chang survived the original Incident, and I'm generally too confused and ill-equipped memory-wise to argue with that; my contribution is that we don't know if the nuke was (or contributed to in any way) that Incident. So yes, we don't know if they survived this version of the Incident or not.

But I'll put money on it being that they did. Dr Change was in the orientation videos for the site they built there, and in those he had a prosthetic hand. He lost his hand during the Jack-instigated shootout.

And he was only there at all because Miles convinced him to try and stop it. Er, right?

Correct!

Though, let's face it, Lost is absolutely shit at time travel, and should stick to other areas of mystery.

Yes, other areas of mystery are good.
Like polar bears, but I liked how so many questions got answered towards the end of this season.

But how come no-one ever bothered to investigate the statue where Jacob lived... they've known about it for ages...

The only question that got answered to my satisfaction was where Ben got his lists from. I'm still waiting on some vague explanation of Hurley's lottery win, bad luck and ability to see the dead. At least the smoke monster seems to be at least partially explained now, with the full explanation to come next series.

The timeline with regards to Ben killing the Dharma types seems odd at the moment, as does the actions of Richard to kill them all, unless he only does that under orders from Esau or something.

There's still a ton of questions to ask though. Are some people healed and others not healed due to the whims of Jacob, or is it the island, or what? Who the hell is Jacob? etc etc etc.

It's a little too religious at the moment for my liking, but it's still entertaining stuff, so I'll watch the last series too.

I liked how there was a painting with a polar bear on it in the cabin. Pets, or something?

Also: was the galleon Jacob and Esau were watching/attracting the Black Rock? (I vote yes, loose end tied up)

I've just had a big discusison with my mate about this.

The scene near the start of the last episode between jacob dressed in white and pretty much his twin all dressed in black.
We've decided there something like the human embodiment of good vs evil, alas they cant kill each other directly being opposites or something. Thats why the evil one goes on about wanting to kill Jacob and that he will find a loophole in order to kill him.

Which is taking on other forms such as the smoke, locke, bens daughter, christian, all to form a scheme in which Ben will kill jacob for him. Now killing off 'good' cant be very healthy for the world so I'd imagine the events back in the 70's is going to be the thing that will stop Jacob getting killed.

But its hard to decide what happened at the hatch, either the bomb went off, or the incident happened, entirely plausible that both occured. I think the most plausible version to get to the present event of Jacob getting killed happens because the incident occurs, this explains why Richard says to sun that all the survivors died in the 70's, and also the ash around Jacobs hut could possibly be the remains of Rose and Bernard meaning the bomb didnt go off as they died on the island.

Only flaw with this is how Chang doesnt die.

I think the line of ashes is the fallout from the "incident" like how far it got to, thus destroying rose and bernard's hut.

I presume the ship was the black rock, but for some reason I think that richard and the others arrived on that ship...

Obvious Jacob/other guy, good vs evil etc..

The next season might start with the plane crashing again, but jack, kate, etc... knowing what they know now possibly so they can change it?

The questions for me are:

Why was Jacob visiting the survivors before they became survivors? He didn't have much of an effect on their lives (apart from Sayid, and that was AFTER the island, which is curious), so what was he doing there? The obvious answer is that he was guiding them throughout their lives to get on to the correct plane as they would be the ones to save him - playing the long game, as it were.

I'm pretty sure that even if Esau can't kill Jacob, there are easier ways to get someone to kill him than a plan spanning decades and possibly even centuries. Why bother with the Locke deception et al? Did it actually need to be Ben who killed Jacob? Is he in fact special?

How did Ricahrd come to be given his role? Since he was given that role and has been doing it for years, how come he seems so clueless about most things this series?

Bah! There's no way they'll make me happy with how they tie things up (or fail to do so). I just hope it's entertaining.

Maybe it took Esau so long to convince Richard to show where Jacob was. he seemed reluctant even when Locke was seemingly a messiah figure.

I've got a feeling Richard is from the black rock.

He appeared to bring Locke back to life after his little tumble. He did appear to convince Hurley to return to the island, too.

Richard/Ricardvs being from the Black Rock would fit.

I liked Jacob.

But I don't think we've seen the end of him

Good call, at least on Hurley. Not sure about Locke, but it's possible.

All he gave Jack was a candy bar! I'd have preferred it if Jacob had sneakily miracle-cured the woman Jack ended up marrying.

When Jacob clasped Locke's shoulder, John suddenly inhaled and opened his eyes. I took that to mean John had been (on the verge of) dead.

Either that or he was lying there thinking "Jesus Christ everything hurts" and then being grabbed by the shoulder he was all "Gah, that really fucking hurts, what cunt is touching me?!"

Just watched this.

It does seem as if Jacob and the anti-Jacob are locked in some sort of long running battle. It did feel a little like it was God and the Devil, with Esau (I just read where this name came from -- it was Jacob's Biblical twin brother, neat) using trickery and deception to defeat some set of rules that locked him in place. The black/white thing goes waaaay back to the very beginning too. I remember Locke playing Go on the beach in episode 2 or 3, with a lingering shot of the black and white pieces. (Wrong, it was backgammon: pic)

Dr Chang definitely has a prosthetic hand, so I'm leaning towards the bomb going off not stopping the Incident - or causing it... I loved Miles's monologue on that. Particularly in light of the fact that Ben turned out to be the manipulative shit he is because Sayid shot him and he ended up being healed by the Hostiles. Anyway, that means Juliet is really dead and Sayid is bleeding out, but not dead. They said there would be a major character death this season and Juliet was the character who's arc was most mapped out.

Not clear at all on how Ilana and her mob fit in to things, other than they seem to be working for Jacob.

I am sure the galleon that Jacob and the anti-Jacob watch approach the Island is the Black Pearl. Their dialog there ties into the God/Devil archetypes also. I like the idea of Richard coming from there, too. It was a Spanish ship, right?

Interesting trivia from Lostopedia:
I can't think what that means, but it seems unlikely to be a coincidence; a random thing put in to drive the fanboys nuts, I'd wager.

There's a crossover I don't want to see.

Ooops. Hahaha! Although it does look like Richard is permanently wearing eyeliner, maybe that's why?

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This is interesting. I haven't read The Stand. Has anyone?

I watched the mini-series of it, which was entertaining, until the final scene was ended by (and I'm not kidding...)



I like Lost. I think it's very entertaining and has had some of the best episodes and moments of recent television. It is, also, at times terrible.

Sadly, things like this just make me say, "Well, get your own fucking ideas and stop plagiarising someone else!"

I read The Stand when I was about 15ish. It was a great book, one of my faves, but I am quite partial to the sort of post-apocalyptic and 'journey' type story.

The ending flows a lot better in the book, curio. The film/series thing was really enjoyable too, but it was a bit rushed as the book is pretty long.

I really recommend the book, in fact I might read it again. As it was more than ten years ago I've probably forgotten some of the really good bits.

I can't wait for the French version.

First few minutes of the new season are available online:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43811

I'm rather looking forward to it.

Just watched first two episodes. No idea what's going on. Normal service is resumed.

Well, apart from

Also

Well that was splendid, splendid in a batshit crazy, what the effs going on kinda way.

WOO NEW LOST YEAH!



Hey look ^^ loads more questions and very few answers. Strap yourselves in fellas, this is gonna be good.

I really enjoyed those first two episodes - kind of surprised me as I thought that season 5 was dire.

I also have a soft spot for those moments when the episodes are allowed to 'breathe'; the action stops, the quiet music starts up and you have those moments when the camera lingers on certain key characters and their reactions to others. Especially enjoyed those particular moments on the plane in the first episode.

Episode 4 is splendid. Do the makers realise that episodes that focus on Kate or Jack are rubbish and those that focus on Hugo and Locke are great...MORE HUGO AND LOCKE pleasing you.

Jack and Kate are *boring*.

At least Kate is nice to look at, even with her insistence on frowning all the fucking time.

I've never watched this, so this is *ahem* lost on me. You bunch of saddos might like it.
Lost locations as a subway map

I've been watching Lost since it started and seeing that map and having a look at the Lost wiki makes it seem overwhelmingly complex and convulted even for me!

That latest episode with Locke and Sawyer was Lost at it's very best.



My brother informs me we have an episode coming up shortly that explains Richard Alpert's backstory, which I'm hoping should be fairly good.

Cool...as time goes on I've got more and more sympathy for Richard, he was presented initially as a shadowy figure with all the answers and now he's constantly got a 'What the fuck is going on' look on his face.

Juliet is way hotter than Kate.

We've seen episode 3 of the new series, we're watching it on Sky. I am, for the most part, following it but my understanding doesn't really cover enough to answer some of the questions Lady T asks. Feels like a long time ago it all started.

So banned your children's childrens' children are banned.

I prefer Claire.

Juliet was beautiful in 'Frequency', when she was young anyway.

Watched episode 4 last night. We do seem to be getting somewhere, don't we?

Troup 'wrote' the novel that Sawyer was reading in manuscript form in S1. He was the guy sucked into the engine in the pilot.

A bit disappointed with the series so far. No real ZOMG WOW! moments thus far. Entertaining enough, but the new timeline in non-crash-ville is dull.