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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 23:28 
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If you fancy some modern stuff:

Nothing But Thieves - Amsterdam
Declan McKenna - Brazil
Will Joseph Cook - Take Me Dancing
Glass Animals - Life Itself
Man & The Echo - Distance Runner
Rat Boy - Laid Back
Sundara Karma - Explore
Marsicans - Far Away (Saudade)
Los Campesinos! - Renato Dall'Ara (2008)
Ezra Furman - Lousy Connection

Most from this year, and largely in keeping with the genres in the tracklisting you have there.

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Cheers Curio I'll give those a try :)

I'm very much aware that a lot of the selection is sort of what you'd expect from a bloke in his early 40s and that could do with being addressed.

Radio 6 is excellent for getting to hear new stuff, or rather, it was, until one day the news came on whilst Jnr was in the room and she heard something that really upset her and now I can't have Radio 6 on whilst she's around, and since we're usually in the same room that's pretty much knocked Radio 6 on the head.

I mean, why have a graphic report about a woman getting her throat slit open in the middle of a fucking afternoon fucking radio show?


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I too will check out this recommendations, thanks Curiosity. Was already a big fan of Lousy Connection (love those rolling trumpet parps) so will check out others.

Weirdly, we had the Chopley playlist on heavy rotation during our holiday in France. I'd say I enjoyed about 50% of it, which isn't a bad hit rate. Could do without being reminded of the Cardigans, though.

My (not at all leftfield but nevertheless excellent) jukebox additions to the list would be:

Fight Like Apes - Something Global
Futureheads - Hounds of Love
Pet Shop Boys - Always on My Mind
Erasure - A Little Respect
Beastie Boys - Skills to Pay the Bills
Super Furry Animals - Chupacabras
The Hold Steady - Same Kooks
Nena - 99 Luftballoons
Aztec Camera - Somewhere in My Heart
Smashing Pumpkins - Jellybelly
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I too will check out this recommendations, thanks Curiosity. Was already a big fan of Lousy Connection (love those rolling trumpet parps) so will check out others.

Weirdly, we had the Chopley playlist on heavy rotation during our holiday in France. I'd say I enjoyed about 50% of it, which isn't a bad hit rate. Could do without being reminded of the Cardigans, though.

My (not at all leftfield but nevertheless excellent) jukebox additions to the list would be:

Fight Like Apes - Something Global
Futureheads - Hounds of Love
Pet Shop Boys - Always on My Mind
Erasure - A Little Respect
Beastie Boys - Skills to Pay the Bills
Super Furry Animals - Chupacabras
The Hold Steady - Same Kooks
Nena - 99 Luftballoons
Aztec Camera - Somewhere in My Heart
Smashing Pumpkins - Jellybelly
Fuck Buttons - Brainfreeze


Chupacabras was always my song of choice when you had slightly too long a gap at the end of one side of a tape. [/old]


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I too will check out this recommendations, thanks Curiosity. Was already a big fan of Lousy Connection (love those rolling trumpet parps) so will check out others.

Weirdly, we had the Chopley playlist on heavy rotation during our holiday in France. I'd say I enjoyed about 50% of it, which isn't a bad hit rate. Could do without being reminded of the Cardigans, though.

My (not at all leftfield but nevertheless excellent) jukebox additions to the list would be:

Fight Like Apes - Something Global
Futureheads - Hounds of Love
Pet Shop Boys - Always on My Mind
Erasure - A Little Respect
Beastie Boys - Skills to Pay the Bills
Super Furry Animals - Chupacabras
The Hold Steady - Same Kooks
Nena - 99 Luftballoons
Aztec Camera - Somewhere in My Heart
Smashing Pumpkins - Jellybelly
Fuck Buttons - Brainfreeze


Chupacabras was always my song of choice when you had slightly too long a gap at the end of one side of a tape. [/old]


Nice! There should be a neologism for that (albeit 20 years too late).


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Weirdly, we had the Chopley playlist on heavy rotation during our holiday in France. I'd say I enjoyed about 50% of it, which isn't a bad hit rate. Could do without being reminded of the Cardigans, though.


Yeah but who didn't fancy Nina Persson? Plus they had that cool video for My Favourite Game (which MTV only showed the uncut version of after 11pm IIRC).

Any particular lowlights/highlights from the list? I'm always interested to hear what other people think of music.

And thanks for your suggestions too, I'll add them to the FRIDAY NIGHT BUCKIE JUKEBOX, which I think is when music is best appraised. (Although several of your artists are already on the list and their tracks have been considered. Like, if Smashing Pumpkins have done a better track than 'Stand Inside Your Love' I've never heard it.)


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I done this.


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I loved My Favourite Game, mostly down to it being on the Gran Turismo soundtrack


Good track. I like that song Nina did with the Manics 'Your love alone'.

The Feeder tracks Just a Day and Buck Rogers still do this day remind me of GT3 on the PS2. Good times.

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I done this.


Oh, that looks good, just scanning through a few tracks now, think I'll be sticking this on (properly) later. Nice :)

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
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So, I got a 24mo Premium sub to this with my phone contract. Started adding all my library to it so I can cancel my Apple Music sub... but yet I've only got up to D (Dead Kennedys in fact) and it's told me my library is now full! So I look it up and there's a 10k song limit. I mean...what? Why? It's not like I'm uploading or downloading all these songs and causing strain on their servers. How on earth does it make a difference how many songs I have added to my library? Infuriating.

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So, I got a 24mo Premium sub to this with my phone contract. Started adding all my library to it so I can cancel my Apple Music sub... but yet I've only got up to D (Dead Kennedys in fact) and it's told me my library is now full! So I look it up and there's a 10k song limit. I mean...what? Why? It's not like I'm uploading or downloading all these songs and causing strain on their servers. How on earth does it make a difference how many songs I have added to my library? Infuriating.


This might sound like a stupid question, but are you adding all these files locally? Isn't most of it available on Spotify already so that you can just search and create playlists?

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So, I got a 24mo Premium sub to this with my phone contract. Started adding all my library to it so I can cancel my Apple Music sub... but yet I've only got up to D (Dead Kennedys in fact) and it's told me my library is now full! So I look it up and there's a 10k song limit. I mean...what? Why? It's not like I'm uploading or downloading all these songs and causing strain on their servers. How on earth does it make a difference how many songs I have added to my library? Infuriating.


This might sound like a stupid question, but are you adding all these files locally? Isn't most of it available on Spotify already so that you can just search and create playlists?

Nope, I'm adding them to the "Your Music" library section. There is a limit to offline files at 3,333, which is more understandable.

There is some chat about it here: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-I ... i-p/733759

Spotify seem to justify it by saying only 1% of users are affected, but surely those are power users who are more likely than not to be big music aficinados. It's just really silly.

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How much of it isn't already on Spotify?

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Is there a limit to the number of tracks you can have in your playlist(s)?

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How much of it isn't already on Spotify?

It's all Spotify stuff so far, I haven't even begun to add the stuff that's not on there. Gaywood came up with an idea that has helped though. Instead of adding every album I want into the library, I can just follow the artist and it does somewhat the same thing.

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What I mean though is that surely the my files thing is for adding tracks that aren't already on Spotify? If they're already there what's the value in adding them?

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Had this for a while as got a year free when I upgraded my wife's phone deal

Never going back :) I now have it as the primary music service on the Echo. I will still have the smaller Amazon Prime music library as that is lumped with Prime.

I've moved all my MP3's on the NAS to some hard drives as its no longer worth the hassle of tagging them.

Love the play lists, we have been watching a show called Snowfall that is set in the 1980's just as crack cocaine starts to become a big issue.

It has great music and I just searched for the show and there was all the music from the in a playlist

First paid service that does everything I want :)


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What I mean though is that surely the my files thing is for adding tracks that aren't already on Spotify? If they're already there what's the value in adding them?


I have a small requirement for that :) I rip a lot of kids stuff like Mr Men Shows from YouTube that my son likes to listen to.

With the Prime Music you can upload 250 tracks so I use this.


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What I mean though is that surely the my files thing is for adding tracks that aren't already on Spotify? If they're already there what's the value in adding them?

Because otherwise you're just either shuffling music or searching for who you want to listen to. I like to have a collection I can browse through.

However Gaywood has offered an alternative which seems to work so it's all good.

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I tend to just create a playlist by artist and drag all their albums on to it. Occasionally I'll group stuff together like this one which has a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero tracks, and a heavy and quiet playlists depending on my mood. I rather like Spotify's Music for concentration playlist too.

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However Gaywood has offered an alternative which seems to work so it's all good.


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Monster is such a fucking brilliant album.

I pretty much just listen to this when I'm in an R.E.M. mood. Or Automatic.


Yes, I think Monster got a lukewarm reception as it wasn't Automatic. I look forward tonthoa diacussion with the pair of you tomorrow


Listened to Up! The other day. It's terrible.

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Anyone listened to their Spotify Time Capsule? A playlist created by Spotify playing the music you loved as a teenager.

Weirdly accurate.


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Anyone listened to their Spotify Time Capsule? A playlist created by Spotify playing the music you loved as a teenager.

Weirdly accurate.


My list wasn't too far off. I grew up listening to Queen, Metallica and a bit of Pantera which all feature, but there's also some of the stuff that my brother would subject me too like Primal Scream and the Stone Roses.

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Mine's pretty good apart from starting with 2 disney songs :D


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Mine's pretty good apart from starting with 2 disney songs :D



I think the only real outliers in my list are Suicidal Tendencies' 'Go'n Breakdown', which I'd never even heard of till last year and some Phil Collins and Enya stuff, well, for obvious reasons.

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Anyone listened to their Spotify Time Capsule? A playlist created by Spotify playing the music you loved as a teenager.

Weirdly accurate.

Not even remotely accurate for me.


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Mine's pretty good actually, apart from the one Woodie Guthrie song which snuck in along with all the Stone Temple Pilots and Faith No More.


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Well mine is 95% tracks off Chopley's Awesome Playlist, or tracks that have been on Chopley's Awesome Playlist.

The other 5% are duplicate artists, thus would not be permitted on Chopley's Awesome Playlist.

Seriously, it's that close that at first I thought it'd just randomly selected tracks from Chopley's Awesome Playlist, and added the title Your Time Capsule.


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Yep, pretty good for me, but much of it is by artists that are on my main playlist now, like Chopley.


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Hit a total blank on Spotify last night with a band called 'TREES', it's not that they don't have the licensing for them, Spotify just doesn't seem to know they ever existed.

They were an English folk rock band that only existed for three years between 1970-1973, and released a grand total of two albums.

My dad had one of the albums on vinyl and I listened to it when I was a child, and really liked it. Unfortunately it eventually became so scratched as to be unlistenable, and I made a mental note I'd try and buy it one day, but as the years passed I never saw the album in any record stores anywhere. (I later found out that they hadn't been particularly commercial successful, and vinyl for the albums was never produced in any great numbers.)

Fast forward to the INTERNET AGE and I was able to get hold of both of their albums in the late 90s on CD, from memory there was a CD run of them in 1996. (In fact, checking Amazon it looks like they got another run in 2008.) Then about 13 years ago I ripped our CD collection to MP3 (a task which took weeks....) so I've had them readily available as MP3s since then.

Shame I can't add a track of theirs to Chopley's Awesome Playlist on Spotify though.

Anyway, I'd very much recommend TREES, their two albums are called THE GARDEN OF JANE DELAWNEY and ON THE SHORE.

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You can add your own music to your own Spotify collection. Just do that; there are loads of bands with nothing on there.

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https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/0 ... y-article/

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“You keep using that word, ‘product.’ I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m really asking you: what do you think your product is?”

The executive was surprised. He stared at me blankly and said, “What do you mean? Our product is Spotify.”

There it was. It was a shocking admission to me, in earshot of everyone, and one he obviously didn’t think was an admission at all.

“No no… sorry,” I said, shaking my head in disbelief. “Your product isn’t ‘Spotify.’” He continued to stare at me. I said, “Sir, your product is music.” The emboldened musicians standing around us started laughing. The exec smiled and backed away, “Well okay, if you’re going to be like that.”

“Wait,” I said, “Listen, it’s music. Your product is music. The reason I know that is because if we went out into the street right now and asked a thousand people what Starbucks’ ‘product’ is, they’d all say coffee. Not a single person would say ‘Starbucks’ product is Starbucks.’ Right?”

His smile faded.

“And by the way,” I added, “Stop calling your subscribers ‘users.’ They’re not ‘users,’ they’re listeners––our listeners in fact. You’re the ‘user.’ You’re using our music to monetize our listeners for your profit.”

He looked at me as if I’d just shot Santa Claus in the face.

“No, man! You’re wrong!” He was sweating now, and the dozen or so musicians who’d gathered around us began heckling him. He shouted, “Spotify is our product! You don’t get it at all!” He stormed off.


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That article does seem like bullshit. The author himself makes the point that Nextflix is different from Spotify because Netflix actually makes content; then goes on to be incredulous that a Spotify exec doesn't think their product is the music they don't make? Same with his Starbucks comparison, Starbucks does actually make and sell coffee so of course people think their product is coffee; that's because it actually is. He might well be making good points about Spotify's attitude and business model but it's all couched in hair-splitting and inconsistent bullshit.


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Plus some sort of balance would say "Hang on, I got that wrong, got all hung up on the branding - our product is the software that brings music to people, and that suggests what people might want to listen, and pays the tiny royalties" and etc. Nice grandstanding, and he still has a point, but not making it fairer is... oversimplification.


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He does have a point, though, in that without the music Spotify would literally be nothing. If everyone suddenly pulled all of their content from Netflix, they'd at least have all of their own content to stream (although the service would probably still crumble, of course)

If they're not paying the artists their dues, or are taking the piss, then they run the risk of exactly that happening.


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He does have a point, though, in that without the music Spotify would literally be nothing.


That is true, but is anyone arguing otherwise?


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Well, apparently, Spotify are.


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Well, apparently, Spotify are.


Someone from Spotify has said that if they had no music on their service they'd be totally fine?


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No, but by arguing that Spotify is the product (which I'm reading as "the reason that people use Spotify") that is basically what he's saying.

By my reading (which could be entirely bollocks, of course) the article writer's point is that Spotify's execs are under the impression that people use Spotify because it's Spotify, and I imagine there's an element of "the artists should be glad to be on Spotify!" attached to that too.


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GazChap wrote:
No, but by arguing that Spotify is the product (which I'm reading as "the reason that people use Spotify") that is basically what he's saying.

By my reading (which could be entirely bollocks, of course) the article writer's point is that Spotify's execs are under the impression that people use Spotify because it's Spotify, and I imagine there's an element of "the artists should be glad to be on Spotify!" attached to that too.


I believe that is what the author's trying to argue, I just don't think anyone is actually saying that. Or, at least, not in that way he's claiming it. Given that there shitloads of alternatives (Google Music, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Tidal, etc) it's fair to claim Spotify users are on there because they prefer it i.e. "people use Spotify because it's Spotify". It's implicit though that the service only exists because it has content to sell (or rent out in this case) and no one needs anyone to say that--aside from the author apparently--because we're not idiots who need the obvious stated. Shitloads of companies and services exist only, or mainly, to shift third party products, no one needs to be standing around pointing that out as if it was some great revelation. The entire article reads like the most horrendous mash-up of r/IamVerySmart and r/ThatHappened; just painful to read and utterly pointless.

Note that none of what I'm saying here is a comment on the amount of money Spotify pays out to artists as that might well be awful and need revisiting. That entire point though could be, and indeed was, made in a single sentence without all the self-aggrandising bullshit and idiotic comparisons attached to it.


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Spotify doesn't pay artists, it pays labels - and it negotiates with each one, so there's no "this is how much they pay per stream".

However, it almost certainly isn't very much.

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Whilst there isn’t a set figure, they don’t vary by that much from what I have heard (well, they do in percentage terms but not in real cash terms so you could argue either way).

Spotify and its ilk are set up to benefit the consumers at the expense of the average artist. There are exceptions who break out because of these platforms, of course, but on the whole the amount of money most acts make from sales+streams is way down. I do feel kind of bad about it, but I do go to a lot of live shows to try to support the smaller acts I care about.

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That entire point though could be, and indeed was, made in a single sentence without all the self-aggrandising bullshit and idiotic comparisons attached to it.

Agreed.


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Curiosity wrote:
Whilst there isn’t a set figure, they don’t vary by that much from what I have heard (well, they do in percentage terms but not in real cash terms so you could argue either way).

Spotify and its ilk are set up to benefit the consumers at the expense of the average artist. There are exceptions who break out because of these platforms, of course, but on the whole the amount of money most acts make from sales+streams is way down. I do feel kind of bad about it, but I do go to a lot of live shows to try to support the smaller acts I care about.


There were many labels that weren't on Spotify before (e.g. Profound Lore, Century Media) because they felt what Spotify paid wasn't fair.

The problem is that Spotify is so ubiquitous now, that even if they pay next to nothing, it's still in the labels best interest to be there, like in the case of the above labels that got in recently. It's a free market, and I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share, but even so i'd rather if Spotify is winning instead of Google or Apple.


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It's a free market, and I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share, but even so i'd rather if Spotify is winning instead of Google or Apple.


There are certainly plenty of alternatives, though whether they pay better or are viable by your definition I couldn't speak to.


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I use bandcamp every now and then, and even bought music there. But it's mostly very few indie labels are artists selling and streaming directly to their audience. It's a good service and idea but their catalogue isn't very extensive. And some labels really don't know how digital is supposed to work when they want to charge me 15€ for an album.

This label, really knows how to do it:

https://blood-music.bandcamp.com/

Every album is on a "pay what you want" scheme they have some lovely merchandise and limited editions of vinyl and cd's to sell.


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RuySan wrote:
I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!

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