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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 14:33 
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R.E.M. trifecta, though Turn You Inside Out is a great shout, and the love version from their tour, where he dedicates it to the Exxon corporations and sings it through a megaphone lives long in my memory.


EDIT - Also, WTF nothing from The Flaming Lips?


Flaming Lips is a gap that needs to be plugged, for shame though I don't really know any of their stuff particularly well, even though Radcliffe and Maconie play them quite a lot on Radio 6 and have had them as guests a couple of times. Suggestions for the Flaming Lips track are welcome.

As for R.E.M. - the track I had on the list until last week for them was the impossibly wonderful live version of Country Feedback with Neil Young's mesmerising performance. But then I was cooking at the weekend and I listened to all of Green whilst I cooked and remembered how awesome it was and with great reluctance replaced Country Feedback with Turn You Inside Out - Stipe does intelligent anger so well.

But yeah, I could pick a different R.E.M. track every day of the week for a month or two, quite easily.

Incidentally, Stipe has consistently said that Country Feedback is his favourite R.E.M. song.


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Flaming lips, the pithily titled:

Talkin' 'bout the smilin' deathporn immortality blues (everybody wants to live forever)

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The best REM song is probably Let Me In. Monster is such a fucking brilliant album.


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In Bloom
World In Motion (just kidding, 1963)
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I actually meant In Bloom. Doh!

I could pick about two dozen R.E.M. tracks to fit. For all the stick they got over the years, they have a crazy amount of good songs.

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Maybe I meant In Bloom too. Which one goes "da da da da DAA daa, da da da da DAA daa"?

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On no, In Bloom mocks people who like music without spending time to discover the "deep meaning". Fuck that pretentious shit.

Turns out I meant "Breed".

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Bamba wrote:
Monster is such a fucking brilliant album.

I pretty much just listen to this when I'm in an R.E.M. mood. Or Automatic.


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On no, In Bloom mocks people who like music without spending time to discover the "deep meaning". Fuck that pretentious shit.

Turns out I meant "Breed".


Ooh good one. Epic drum intros for the win.


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Monster is such a fucking brilliant album.

I pretty much just listen to this when I'm in an R.E.M. mood. Or Automatic.


Up was really good as well to be fair. In fact that's the last REM album I really listened to. Just one of those bands that fell by the wayside for me over the years for no reason at all.


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There are some real gems on all of their last five albums, but they are quite inconsistent and the weaker tracks on them lurch alarmingly towards being outright 'below average' or even 'poor' at times.

That said, a few years ago I listened to their entire canon back-to-back in the car over the course of a couple of weeks' worth of drives to and from work, and their output overall is astonishingly good.

In fact, that's something I need to do again at some point, listen to every studio album they've ever put out, but this time assemble a 'Best of R.E.M' Spotify playlist, assuming all their albums are actually on Spotify.

One thing I have noticed is that even where an artist is on Spotify and looks to the casual observer to be complete, there can be gaps in the collection. Duran Duran and Chumbawamba spring to mind. (The 'Pop Trash' album by Duran Duran is missing, and both 'Shhh' and 'Anarchy' by Chumbawamba are missing.)

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It's like how the Manic Street Preachers seemed to pour every ounce of their talent into Motorcycle Emptiness and had nothing left so just churned out terrible shite.


A reappraisal has seen the Manics' entry changed to Motorcycle Emptiness, I'd somehow forgotten how good it is.

Now up to 180 tracks, and there's been a bit of a shuffle around at the start.

https://open.spotify.com/user/chopleytu ... vNwj9dyYF7

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
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Bamba wrote:
It's like how the Manic Street Preachers seemed to pour every ounce of their talent into Motorcycle Emptiness and had nothing left so just churned out terrible shite.


A reappraisal has seen the Manics' entry changed to Motorcycle Emptiness, I'd somehow forgotten how good it is.

Now up to 180 tracks, and there's been a bit of a shuffle around at the start.

https://open.spotify.com/user/chopleytu ... vNwj9dyYF7


Inspired by Hearthly and to stick one in Bamba's eye about Motorcycle Emptiness being their only decent song, I made a Spotify playlist of Fopproved Manics Songs. No more Kevin Carter! No more Intense Humming of Evil! Just the good stuff*. Best listened to on shuffle.

*It's very light on the last several years' of work, not necessarily because it's bad, but because I kind of stopped listening. It's got a couple from Send Away the Tigers, I think that's as late as the list goes.


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Splendid Mr Fop, once I am jacked into the SPOTIFY BLUETOOTH AUDIO STREAMING MATRIX (Friday onward) I will listen to your playlist in the car.

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Lonewolves wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Monster is such a fucking brilliant album.

I pretty much just listen to this when I'm in an R.E.M. mood. Or Automatic.


Yes, I think Monster got a lukewarm reception as it wasn't Automatic. I look forward tonthoa diacussion with the pair of you tomorrow

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 20:45 
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Now up to 200 tracks, the rate of additions has obviously slowed down as every new track has to be a new artist, and replacements for existing tracks are now happening frequently as well.

I shall continue to work on it, currently got it on shuffle play in the car, which is helping to identify weak links for changes.

https://open.spotify.com/user/chopleytu ... vNwj9dyYF7

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1 Nothing But A Heartache - The Flirtations
2 Kill Your Television - Ned's Atomic Dustbin
3 She Sells Sanctuary (2009 Re-master) - The Cult
4 Northern Lad - Tori Amos
5 Pablo Picasso - David Bowie
6 Debaser - Pixies
7 When Doves Cry - Prince
8 Lucky Town - Live - Bruce Springsteen
9 I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor - Arctic Monkeys
10 Stop The Rock - Apollo 440
11 Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix
12 What Do You Want From Me? - Monaco
13 Urban Clearway - Saint Etienne
14 Tied Up in Nottz - Sleaford Mods
15 Buy Nothing Day - The Go! Team
16 The Rat - The Walkmen
17 Somebody Told Me - The Killers
18 Infinity 2008 - Guru Josh Project
19 Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers
20 Headshrinker - Oasis
21 Stayin' Alive - Remastered Version - Bee Gees
22 Tighten Up - 2013 Remastered Version - Electronic
23 Push It - Garbage
24 Turn You Inside-Out - Remastered - R.E.M.
25 Skinny Little Bitch - Hole
26 On Melancholy Hill - Gorillaz
27 This Is Love - PJ Harvey
28 Blindness - The Fall
29 You Got The Love - New Voyager Radio Edit - The Source & Candi Staton
30 My Number - Foals
31 Bullet In the Head - Rage Against The Machine
32 Two Worlds Collide - 7" Mix Edit - Inspiral Carpets
33 Sabotage - Beastie Boys
34 Charm Assault - Ride
35 I Ran - A Flock Of Seagulls
36 Crystal - New Order
37 Heavy Cross - Gossip
38 Soft Machine - Les Rythmes Digitales
39 Open Up - Remastered - Leftfield
40 Wavy Gravy - Flyying Colours
41 Aisha - Death In Vegas
42 Midnight City - M83
43 Apply Some Pressure - Maximo Park
44 Stingin' Belle - Biffy Clyro
45 Rise - Bob Clearmountain Remix - Public Image Ltd.
46 Kingdom of Rust - Doves
47 All You Good Good People - Embrace
48 Already Yours - Curve
49 All the Rage Back Home - Interpol
50 Dirty Beats - Roni Size Reprazent
51 Smalltown Boy - Bronski Beat
52 Swastika Eyes - Jagz Kooner Mix - Primal Scream
53 Add It Up - Violent Femmes
54 Kiss You Off - Scissor Sisters
55 Love Spreads - The Stone Roses
56 Animal - Mudmen
57 Lights Out - Royal Blood
58 Star Roving - Slowdive
59 F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E. - Pulp
60 Johnny B. - The Hooters
61 Pennyroyal Tea - Nirvana
62 Dreams - Beck
63 Stand Inside Your Love - The Smashing Pumpkins
64 Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before - 2011 Remastered Version - The Smiths
65 Trash - Suede
66 Down With the Sickness - Disturbed
67 Lock All The Doors - Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds
68 Shadowboxer - Fiona Apple
69 You Keep Me Hangin On - Kim Wilde
70 Just Like Heaven - The Cure
71 Chasing Rainbows - Shed Seven
72 Prophets Of Rage - Prophets Of Rage
73 Luka - Suzanne Vega
74 Everlong - Foo Fighters
75 Everything Now - Arcade Fire
76 Ruby - Kaiser Chiefs
77 Dark Therapy - Echobelly
78 Entertain Me - 2012 Remastered Version - Blur
79 Over Rising - The Charlatans
80 Munich - Editors
81 Seasons (Waiting On You) - Future Islands
82 Amanaemonesia - Chairlift
83 Get Lucky - Daft Punk
84 Wires - Athlete
85 Playgirl - Ladytron
86 Extreme Ways - Moby
87 Illegal Attacks - Ian Brown
88 Electricity - 2003 Digital Remaster - Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark
89 Judge Fudge - Happy Mondays
90 Suspect Device - Stiff Little Fingers
91 Are 'Friends' Electric? - Tubeway Army
92 A Question of Time - Depeche Mode
93 Been Caught Stealing - Jane's Addiction
94 Knives - Therapy?
95 Cloudbusting - Kate Bush
96 Demon Alcohol - Ozzy Osbourne
97 Seven Seas - Echo & the Bunnymen
98 I Gotta Feeling - The Black Eyed Peas
99 Lola - Remastered - The Kinks
100 Twisted - Everyday Hurts - Skunk Anansie
101 Laid - James
102 Summer Of '69 - Bryan Adams
103 Tramazi Parti - Black Grape
104 Jump Around - House Of Pain
105 Planet Earth - 2010 Remastered Version - Duran Duran
106 Vision Thing - Sisters of Mercy
107 Dancing with Tears in My Eyes - Ultravox
108 Fuel My Fire - The Prodigy
109 Not So Manic Now - Dubstar
110 The Fallen - Franz Ferdinand
111 Fade To Grey - Visage
112 Sweet Child O' Mine - Guns N' Roses
113 Battleflag (feat. Pigeonhed) - Lo Fidelity Allstars
114 Thank U - Alanis Morissette
115 Electioneering - Radiohead
116 Rusty Cage - Soundgarden
117 Zombie - The Cranberries
118 Enter Sandman - Metallica
119 Erase / Rewind - The Cardigans
120 Can't Do - Everything Everything
121 Gimme Shelter - The Rolling Stones
122 Talk Talk - 1997 Remastered Version - Talk Talk
123 All The Drugs - Courtney Love
124 Turn - Travis
125 Saints - The Breeders
126 The Promise - 2010 Remastered Version - Arcadia
127 Club Foot - Kasabian
128 Nobody's Diary - 2008 Remaster - Yazoo
129 Don't You Want Me - 2002 - Remaster - The Human League
130 Pretend We're Dead - L7
131 Cross Eyed Mary - Live; 2004 Remastered Version - Jethro Tull
132 Ebeneezer Goode - Beat Edit - The Shamen
133 Insomnia - Radio Edit - Faithless
134 Bliss - Muse
135 Windowlicker - Aphex Twin
136 Weapon Of Choice (feat. Bootsy Collins) - Remastered Version - Fatboy Slim
137 Teenage Exorcists - Mogwai
138 Never Understand - The Jesus and Mary Chain
139 15 Years - Remastered Version - Levellers
140 Duel - 2008 Remastered Version - Swervedriver
141 Head Like A Hole - Nine Inch Nails
142 Relax - 7" Mix - Frankie Goes To Hollywood
143 Not If You Were The Last Junkie On Earth - The Dandy Warhols
144 Dark Necessities - Red Hot Chili Peppers
145 Poison - Alice Cooper
146 Machine - The Horrors
147 Bitter Sweet Symphony - The Verve
148 Waking Up - Elastica
149 Whatever Happened To My Rock 'N' Roll (Punk Song) - Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
150 Tourniquet - Evanescence
151 5 Minutes - 1996 Remastered Version - The Stranglers
152 Sweet '69 - Babes In Toyland
153 Sexy Boy - Air
154 Ti Amo - Phoenix
155 Epic - Faith No More
156 Papercut - Linkin Park
157 You Give Love A Bad Name - Bon Jovi
158 Feed The Tree - Belly
159 Feeling A Moment - Feeder
160 Kennedy - The Wedding Present
161 Here Comes The Rain Again - Remastered Version - Eurythmics
162 The Bitter End - Placebo
163 Monster - The Automatic
164 Hungry - Kosheen
165 Make Me Smile (Come up and See Me) - 2014 Remaster - Steve Harley
166 Black - Pearl Jam
167 Birdhouse In Your Soul - They Might Be Giants
168 If I Can't Change Your Mind - Sugar
169 Crockett's Theme - Miami Vice/Soundtrack Version - Jan Hammer
170 November Spawned A Monster - 2010 Remastered Version - Morrissey
171 Get Your Hands Off My Woman - The Darkness
172 Last Night - Lush
173 Sadeness - Enigma
174 Altered State - Mike Oldfield
175 Pretty in Pink - The Psychedelic Furs
176 I Wanna Get Lost With You - Stereophonics
177 Love Me Again - John Newman
178 Elephant - Tame Impala
179 Sweet Harmony - The Beloved
180 (Don't Fear) The Reaper - Blue Öyster Cult
181 Time And Time Again - Counting Crows
182 The Pills Won’t Help You Now - The Chemical Brothers
183 Soulution - Utah Saints
184 It's Been Awhile - Staind
185 Get Down Tonight - 2004 Remastered Version - KC & The Sunshine Band
186 The Way It Is - Bruce Hornsby
187 Touch Me I'm Sick - Mudhoney
188 Day Of The Lords - 2007 Remastered Version - Joy Division
189 Layla - 40th Anniversary Version / 2010 Remastered - Derek & The Dominos
190 Pure Shores - All Saints
191 Lost Property - The Divine Comedy
192 Wasting My Young Years - London Grammar
193 Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm - Crash Test Dummies
194 Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinéad O'Connor
195 Papua New Guinea - 12" Version - The Future Sound Of London
196 The Winner Takes It All - ABBA
197 Nothing Ever Happens - Del Amitri
198 School - Supertramp
199 No Pussy Blues - Grinderman
200 Feeling Yourself Disintegrate - The Flaming Lips

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
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7 When Doves Cry - Prince


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If you ever listen to Heart Radio, you'll hear that song at least 3 times a day.


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DavPaz wrote:
If you ever listen to Heart Radio, you'll hear that song at least 3 times a day.


I never listen to Heart Radio.

The only radio station I listen to is Radio 6 and that's 95% the Radcliffe & Maconie show on catchup over the weekend, they play Prince tracks from time to time and I've heard When Doves Cry on there a handful of times over the years, it's quite good I think.

It was also the 'collect bank' sample that Maygay used on their fruit machines in the early 90s.

Obviously there needs to be a Prince track on there somewhere, I am open to suggestions as to better options :)


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Yeah, mix it up with some Sexy MF.

Batdance or GTFO

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I love Batdance and I'm surprised when I speak to people who have never heard of it. I suppose it must be at least 10 years old now though.

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Well yeah it came out with one of the Keaton films, so that makes perfect sense

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I think there is a better Manics track than Motorcycle Emptiness.

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No one likes looking at you
Your lack of ego offends male mentality
They need your innocence
To steal vacant love and to destroy
Your beauty and virginity used like toys

My mind is dead, everybody loves me
Wants a slice of me
Hopelessly passive and compatible
Need to belong, oh the roads are scarey
So hold me in your arms
I want to be your only possession

Used, used, used by men

All they leave behind is money
Paper made out of broken twisted trees
Your pretty face offends
Because it's something real that I can't touch
Eyes, skin, bone, contour, language as a flower

No god reached me, faded films and loving books
Black and white TV
All the world does not exist for me
And if I'm starving, you can feed me lollipops
Your diet will crush me
My life just an old man's memory

Little baby nothing
Loveless slavery, lips kissing empty
Dress your life in loathing
Breaking your mind with Barbie Doll futility

Little baby nothing
Sexually free, made-up to breakup
Assassinated beauty
Moths broken up, quenched at last
The vermin allowed a thought to pass them by

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock 'n' roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock 'n' roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair


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Here's a shitheel thing that Spotify does, it secretly caches everything you 'stream' to a hidden folder buried away at:

C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\Spotify\Data

This had grown to nearly 10GB on my PC, which when you're running on a 119GB SSD as your system drive, is a fucking lot. (I'd noticed my SSD capacity going further and further into the red, and was wondering what was causing it, one Treesize later and I had my culprit.)

Note that it does this irrespective of where you set Spotify's offline cache to be, which I had already configured to be on a data drive, but the offline cache is not the same thing as its secret online cache. (You can understand conceptutally why they do it, since it saves you downloading the same songs every time you listen to them, reducing the load on Spotify's servers.)

Note I used the word 'downloading' there, as monitoring the behaviour of this folder I observed that as soon as you start 'streaming' a song, what it actually does is immediately download the song (in an encrypted format) to this folder, and plays it from there.

There is absolutely no way you can stop this behaviour, you can add a line to a buried away config file to set the data folder to a max size in megabytes, at which point Spotify will start to 'churn' the data in this folder as required, but fundamentally Spotify won't work unless that folder is there at its default path and it can write to it.

Anyway, MKLINK seemed to offer a handy solution with its ability to create directory junctions, and I can confirm it works perfectly. If you ever come across the same problem, then a command such as this (modified for your username and preferred new location) will do the job. (Run from an elevated command prompt, make sure Spotify is closed (not minimised) and delete the actual data folder before running the command as MKLINK creates the junction when run.)

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mklink /J "C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Local\Spotify\Data" "G:\SPOTIFYSECRET"


(Note that after a couple of hours of listening to music after I'd made the change, the SPOTIFYSECRET folder had already grown to 545MB, so it's quite a greedy bastard.)

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Or you could put your appdata as a whole to a more sensible location if you have a small system disk.


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Hearthly wrote:
I think there is a better Manics track than Motorcycle Emptiness.

Quote:
No one likes looking at you
Your lack of ego offends male mentality
They need your innocence
To steal vacant love and to destroy
Your beauty and virginity used like toys

My mind is dead, everybody loves me
Wants a slice of me
Hopelessly passive and compatible
Need to belong, oh the roads are scarey
So hold me in your arms
I want to be your only possession

Used, used, used by men

All they leave behind is money
Paper made out of broken twisted trees
Your pretty face offends
Because it's something real that I can't touch
Eyes, skin, bone, contour, language as a flower

No god reached me, faded films and loving books
Black and white TV
All the world does not exist for me
And if I'm starving, you can feed me lollipops
Your diet will crush me
My life just an old man's memory

Little baby nothing
Loveless slavery, lips kissing empty
Dress your life in loathing
Breaking your mind with Barbie Doll futility

Little baby nothing
Sexually free, made-up to breakup
Assassinated beauty
Moths broken up, quenched at last
The vermin allowed a thought to pass them by

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock 'n' roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair

You are pure, you are snow
We are the useless sluts that they mould
Rock 'n' roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair


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Can't argue with that, it grows in a way Motorcycle Emptiness doesn't.

Fun fact, they originally wanted kylie for backing vocals on little baby nothing. When they were unsurprisingly turned down they chose former porn actress Traci Lords instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:52 
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Or you could put your appdata as a whole to a more sensible location if you have a small system disk.


This is literally the first time it's ever been a problem, I appreciate a lot of stuff uses the appdata folder but I've never seen anything consume it like Spotify does, which is unsurprising considering what it does with it.

Utterly fucking shit piece of application design really, especially considering you can already specify where it puts offline files through the standard UI.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:55 
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Findus Fop wrote:
Can't argue with that, it grows in a way Motorcycle Emptiness doesn't.

Fun fact, they originally wanted kylie for backing vocals on little baby nothing. When they were unsurprisingly turned down they chose former porn actress Traci Lords instead.


Yes it was the background to the song that drew me to it and then when I heard it I loved it.

Whilst Motorcycle Emptiness is a fine track everyone's heard it a million times already, it's kind of your go-to Manics track, and I'll often try to have less obvious choices on the list for any given artist (but not always).

Also, it's not really a great track to have on in the car, as I discovered the other day when its turn came round on the playlist.

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