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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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Your bro will know all this but as long as there was a cooker there before on it's own feed from the fusebox it will be fine.
Some draw more than others, I think. The shower in our last rented place failed and the warranty service engineer refused to commission it; the cabling behind it was only rated for 9kW, not 11.5kW. Said it's a common problem, amateurs buy them as uprated models in B&Q and fit them without thinking they should uprate the mains feed at the same time.

What's the power rating on an electric cooker, anyway? I've never had to deal with one (gas hobs FTW).


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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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There is that way... as long as your mortage or renting folks are happy for you to do that.

They don't give a shit as long as the building's insured. Also, electric cooker so inherently less likely* to set the place on fire than a gas cooker.

* Probably. [/qoute]

I think the rules have changed now, where you have to get professionals to fit stuff and do structural work. Or it can void you house insurance and the terms of your rent and mortgage.

It is the reason electritions have to provide certification for the work now
Yeah, you shouldn't add sockets and things like that yourself anymore. Not sure what the position is for simply replacing a cooker though.


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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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There is that way... as long as your mortage or renting folks are happy for you to do that.

They don't give a shit as long as the building's insured. Also, electric cooker so inherently less likely* to set the place on fire than a gas cooker.

* Probably. [/qoute]

I think the rules have changed now, where you have to get professionals to fit stuff and do structural work. Or it can void you house insurance and the terms of your rent and mortgage.

It is the reason electritions have to provide certification for the work now
Yeah, you shouldn't add sockets and things like that yourself anymore. Not sure what the position is for simply replacing a cooker though.


I can check with my mate who is a sparky..


But I would think you would not be allowed as it is not as simple as plugging in a socket or changing a light, also cookers need a hefty cooker

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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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Fitting an appliance requires an NEIC certified installer, and a cooker must be separately fused. Anything else will void your insurance (and is actually a criminal offence for the installer, if he's not certified).

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It's just replacing the existing cooker, so (in theory) all of the wiring and fittings should be present already.


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As long as Gaz's brother's certified, there's no problem - right?

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If it's like for like, I think it's allowed. But if its 'new' I dunno. What I did was t get a 4way extension lead, and suspend it over the rafters in the garage to run the bike battery charger/inspection lamp/ circular saw from.

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As long as Gaz's brother's certified, there's no problem - right?


Correct - as long as the wiring is the new standard, otherwise he should (technically) refuse to fit it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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As long as Gaz's brother's certified, there's no problem - right?

He isn't any more, but has been in the past.


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I'm sorry, but I havent kept up with the current legislation. A shocking turn of events, but watt it is, regulation is good. Ohm insurance is worth checking out though, in case it isn't covered, or if someone diodes.

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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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I can check with my mate who is a sparky..

Replacement of an existing cooker is not covered by Part P and is not building control notifiable.

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But I would think you would not be allowed as it is not as simple as plugging in a socket or changing a light,

It's no less simple than wiring a plug though.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.


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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.

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Jesus, you'd think you were wiring a fucking bomb!

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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.


I'm not. i happily march off into the abyss and take on jobs I've no hope of completing.

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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.


I don't think it's so much the fear of the technical, it's the fear and confusion surrounding the over-legislation of it all, especially in a rented property.

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What?

I was wondering this one as well.

If it is like for like it is fine, it is only if you are fitting a new spur off a mains line is it an issue.

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I just found a very suspicious wreck in EVE, that had been left there with a Strip Mining fitting and two T2 cargo expanders. Totally seemed like a bait trap, but there was nobody nearby as afaik you can't put cargo into a wreck as bait.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits & Bobs 5
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People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.

I'm not really gonna get it checked out, I just wanted to use the "grill" pun somewhere :P

I can wire it up myself if need be, I did the original cooker that's in there and that's lasted fine for the three years I've been living there so far.


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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.


I don't think it's so much the fear of the technical, it's the fear and confusion surrounding the over-legislation of it all, especially in a rented property.


Fair enough, I'm in a rented property too, but what they don't know won't get their knickers in a twist.

Just farking do it :D


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I'll make a smaller version then. Just thought I'd ask the question.


I may not be the right person, I don't like the MaliA/Gazchap size of sig on this page either, Mark's is the right size.


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kalmarzipan wrote:
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I'd better get it checked out, don't want to get grilled by the insurance company if anything goes wrong.


People just live in terror of anything technical these days don't they? If your brother was a sparky he'll connect the wires to the right terminals and tighten them properly, and then nothing will go wrong.


I don't think it's so much the fear of the technical, it's the fear and confusion surrounding the over-legislation of it all, especially in a rented property.


Fair enough, I'm in a rented property too, but what they don't know won't get their knickers in a twist.

Just farking do it :D


Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.

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Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.


(Relax girls, he's married - Ed)

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Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.


(Relax girls, he's married - Ed)


Behave.... lol

Plus I donlt think Gaz would want to zap Shin....

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Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.


If you mean "Does your electric cooker get inspected yearly?", the answer is no. Why on earth would it?


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also cookers need a hefty cooker


What?

I was wondering this one as well.

If it is like for like it is fine, it is only if you are fitting a new spur off a mains line is it an issue.


I meant hefty current..... my mind does wander off... sorry

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Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.


If you mean "Does your electric cooker get inspected yearly?", the answer is no. Why on earth would it?


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I think he means your rented accommodation. Ours was inspected quarterly.

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Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.


If you mean "Does your electric cooker get inspected yearly?", the answer is no. Why on earth would it?


No the property, plus you should have an electrical safety certificate. Provided by your landlord. I think it is every 12 - 24 months.

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Don't yout get inspected yearly? I did when I was rented.


(Relax girls, he's married - Ed)


Behave.... lol

Plus I donlt think Gaz would want to zap Shin....


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