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I will happily edit, as I love removing unnecessary apostrophes, such as the one in "chav's" above.

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Any benefit to me knocking together a quick site where you submit your text and it automatically adds it on to the end of the current text?


Oogh, I don't know! Can one modify the entries after?

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All done and dusted-if anything else needs adding to the original post on there yell me and I'll edit it-or ask a Mod :)

Ooooh, it's sad to be excited about this kind of thing! It may even spur me on to finish my other fics :S

Thanks to Pete for bringing this new fun to the forum :D
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Curio-bugger orf :p I LOVE MY APOSTROPHES! Someone will have to sit and go through my posts with a fine toothcomb :s I'll probably send PM's to Pete with them in anyway, if that's okay?

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Anything's cheerfully okay. You can always just post straight onto the thread and it can always be user modified later. Just so long as you give it a once or twice over before hand, I can't see the problem. I don't want to be some PM-Post authoriser. :)

Ta, Shin! Wondering if I should post what I've done so far for my own in a seperate thread, as it comes along.

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Anything's cheerfully okay. You can always just post straight onto the thread and it can always be user modified later. Just so long as you give it a once or twice over before hand, I can't see the problem. I don't want to be some PM-Post authoriser. :)

Ta, Shin! Wondering if I should post what I've done so far for my own in a seperate thread, as it comes along.


Well...have you got a blog? Pop it there or something maybe? I dunno....or we could have a stories in general thread thing? <HEAD EXPLODES WITH THE POSSIBILITIES!> I've just written some odds and sods aswell that can go pretty much anywhere in a story so I'll wait for others to write and then pop it up-if anyone else does write :s

You should join ff.net and stuffs-I'm on there :D

Just joined that site aswell under Shin

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Ah people are being quite serious. Sorry I just thought it was funny to make the JK Rowling joke, Feel free to call do over.

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(EDIT: Though a 'Di Vinci Code' esque book about the hidden code in a JK Rowling book would be good.)

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Ah people are being quite serious. Sorry I just thought it was funny to make the JK Rowling joke, Feel free to call do over.

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-_-; I'll get my coat on, make sure the kettles on would you?

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I thought I did well. :(

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No mention of Mark the Pixie yet.

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You did actually, I was sat there thinking 'what...oh god how are we going to do this now?!'

I sorry :( you can maybe write a bit though if you like?

Zardoz-read it, the magical creature. If we go too fast we'll have finished the story and not done enough words. You can always start writing a bit with him in it and then add it when they go looking for him?

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Oops, momentum meant I rolled on from the previous one as I quite liked Lave's as well. Poll time? Or could excellent madness mean that we somehow marry the two strands together?

*Runs off to have lunch and leave everything in other people's hands for the non*

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Oops, momentum meant I rolled on from the previous one as I quite liked Lave's as well. Poll time? Or could excellent madness mean that we somehow marry the two strands together?

*Runs off to have lunch and leave everything in other people's hands for the non*


No! That seems good to me :) it also keeps Laves post too
Sorry I was mean :kiss:

So now we have two story bits-oooh! But how to combine the two? Hrmmm

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Zardoz-read it, the magical creature. If we go too fast we'll have finished the story and not done enough words.


Ok. Just make sure you don't forget his telescope and twiglets. He loves twiglets.

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:DD if it ends up being me writing that I'll remember, I loves twiglets :)

I've got a few ideas jumping around about the merging of the two story bits....but I'll flesh them out a bit first

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Zardoz-read it, the magical creature. If we go too fast we'll have finished the story and not done enough words.


Ok. Just make sure you don't forget his telescope and twiglets. He loves twiglets.

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I'm actually waiting for Dimrill to see this. If he pops one of his dreams into the story we'll have a winner!

Horror, Sick and twisted-ness, Magical pixie, Emo, JK Rowling.....what more could people want in a story?!

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Oops, momentum meant I rolled on from the previous one as I quite liked Lave's as well. Poll time? Or could excellent madness mean that we somehow marry the two strands together?

*Runs off to have lunch and leave everything in other people's hands for the non*


No! That seems good to me :) it also keeps Laves post too
Sorry I was mean :kiss:

So now we have two story bits-oooh! But how to combine the two? Hrmmm



Like in never ending story? Where the book and "real life" eventually become one? Or like in "take on me" by "Aha"?

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Ooooh!

Get writing some bits down about it then Malcum-powder! I'm doing drafts as we speak...type :S

Ah well, at least I'll be a bit quieter on other posts, plus I'll be busy writing...may have to have a break for bomberman though...

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...what more could people want in a story?!


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So Nascar racing Satanic Sluts then?

....who's doing that bit?

(laughing to self)

It's wrong I'm listening to Fallout boy now isn't it?
Oh shit! It's ten past 4 and I've done bugger all!

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Ooooh!

Get writing some bits down about it then Malcum-powder! I'm doing drafts as we speak...type :S

Ah well, at least I'll be a bit quieter on other posts, plus I'll be busy writing...may have to have a break for bomberman though...



I get called Malcum-powder (is there a double entendre in there with that spelling?) and have my name spelt Malcombe in the same day. I haven't had that since about 1988!

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Oops! Still not fed, but I've got to 3,000 words! Only 47,000 left to go, yay! :DD

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Oh buggery-sorry Malc! :s

And there wasn't anything meant by that spelling at all...

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Hmmm....I'm a little worried about the two very different styles that are appearing in the story-I'm not sure they blend well or not. You have on the one hand the sort of amusing way that the Emo parts are written, then the slightly more 'adult' way the other parts are done....I don't think it'll work...

I may be wrong though!

Solution is maybe to split the stories, and then two groups can work on them? There are bound to be some that don't like the Emo part and some that like the slightly more sinister way the other's turning out to be- I like both! :D

Views?

EDIT: LOL at Zardoz new post :D
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You can expand what you want to darling.

Just thinking about making 2 stories instead of one....hmmm....will have to see what peeps say though

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Any benefit to me knocking together a quick site where you submit your text and it automatically adds it on to the end of the current text?

Would that not be a, erm, forum?

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Well, I meant one without the discussion bits in between so that the story could just be copy/pasted without getting all the extra fluff, and without all the extra work of someone doing a collated post every so often.


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Now then, what are we going to do about the story? Split it into two or what? I don't really want to write any more as it's getting confusing now-so.....what's happening? What do people think?

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Just what the world needs, more garbled stories with ill-thought-out plots... and who the heck cares about word counts any more? A novel isn't a university essay ffs, it's supposed to mean something and express something. Just shovelling words onto a page to meet an artificially imposed target is a waste of time, sorry.

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Just what the world needs, more garbled stories with ill-thought-out plots... and who the heck cares about word counts any more? A novel isn't a university essay ffs, it's supposed to mean something and express something. Just shovelling words onto a page to meet an artificially imposed target is a waste of time, sorry.


I don't see it as that personally, more as defragmenting my writer brain. Of course, thought out novels written carefully are going tocome out way better - but this is less about saying 'Me written a novel! Me am writer!' and more about fun. What I'm writing at the moment isn't my main project - which has stalled. And I admit feeling completely liberated and just running where my brain takes me is a refreshing change from the pounding away I do on my other one.

Remember, Michael Moorcock churned out a novel in the late 60's and 70's every two weeks, and he produced something which Angela Carter described as 'a never ending carnival'. Anthony Trollope had a similar rate, and was highly lauded, until critics found out his churny work stylee and turned on him. Graham Greene also piled them out and Iain Banks' "Dead Air" was written in six weeks.

The site itself says that its no real substitute for actually planning out and writing a novel, though one of the founders comes a bit close admittedly with his book, "No plot, no problem."

When I've hit the 50,000 mark, I'll look back and see what there is of what I've done that's worth saving. I'll then edit it like buggery through December. Mayhap it'll fall into a nice shape, I quite like the plot I've got in my brain and the characters at any rate.

Do you write too AlbinoKid? Anything cool on the go? Just wondering how many writers we have knocking about here. :)

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When I've hit the 50,000 mark, I'll look back and see what there is of what I've done that's worth saving. I'll then edit it like buggery through December

That's the sort of thing that would make the exercise worthwhile, but I'm sure most of these people won't do it, and WILL just say at the end "look at me, I is writer" and proudly show their rushed collection of words to people like a proud toddler showing his mum a full potty. As a brainstorming session, I'll concede that this could be quite good, but then why the obsession with word counts and tracking your progress and stuff that this project encourages?

As for my writing, I am very good at beginnings but not so good at middles and ends; I am too picky for my own good and often discard things in frustration at not being able to convey things in the perfect way. Perhaps I am hindered a bit by the fact I've never really tried to write fast-paced rivetting thrillers but always more thought-provoking, deeper stuff in the vein of Milan Kundera and to a lesser extent Kafka. Intolerance is a very useful tool, except for when you turn it on yourself :(

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It's just a bit of fun in the end isn't it? Noone's getting anything for doing it, it's just doing it-if people want to take part then do so, if not don't, simple as. What I can't stand is people picking apart other people's ideas

I write actually Mr.Pete, when my plot bunny hasn't buggered off-also your new bits good too! I'll have a proper plod through it rather than a skip tonight :)


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Ta Shin!

A Neil Gaiman pep talk for when you're half way through:

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By now you're probably ready to give up. You're past that first fine furious rapture when every character and idea is new and entertaining. You're not yet at the momentous downhill slide to the end, when words and images tumble out of your head sometimes faster than you can get them down on paper. You're in the middle, a little past the half-way point. The glamour has faded, the magic has gone, your back hurts from all the typing, your family, friends and random email acquaintances have gone from being encouraging or at least accepting to now complaining that they never see you any more---and that even when they do you're preoccupied and no fun. You don't know why you started your novel, you no longer remember why you imagined that anyone would want to read it, and you're pretty sure that even if you finish it it won't have been worth the time or energy and every time you stop long enough to compare it to the thing that you had in your head when you began---a glittering, brilliant, wonderful novel, in which every word spits fire and burns, a book as good or better than the best book you ever read---it falls so painfully short that you're pretty sure that it would be a mercy simply to delete the whole thing.

Welcome to the club.

That's how novels get written.

You write. That's the hard bit that nobody sees. You write on the good days and you write on the lousy days. Like a shark, you have to keep moving forward or you die. Writing may or may not be your salvation; it might or might not be your destiny. But that does not matter. What matters right now are the words, one after another. Find the next word. Write it down. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

A dry-stone wall is a lovely thing when you see it bordering a field in the middle of nowhere but becomes more impressive when you realise that it was built without mortar, that the builder needed to choose each interlocking stone and fit it in. Writing is like building a wall. It's a continual search for the word that will fit in the text, in your mind, on the page. Plot and character and metaphor and style, all these become secondary to the words. The wall-builder erects her wall one rock at a time until she reaches the far end of the field. If she doesn't build it it won't be there. So she looks down at her pile of rocks, picks the one that looks like it will best suit her purpose, and puts it in.

The search for the word gets no easier but nobody else is going to write your novel for you.

The last novel I wrote (it was ANANSI BOYS, in case you were wondering) when I got three-quarters of the way through I called my agent. I told her how stupid I felt writing something no-one would ever want to read, how thin the characters were, how pointless the plot. I strongly suggested that I was ready to abandon this book and write something else instead, or perhaps I could abandon the book and take up a new life as a landscape gardener, bank-robber, short-order cook or marine biologist. And instead of sympathising or agreeing with me, or blasting me forward with a wave of enthusiasm---or even arguing with me---she simply said, suspiciously cheerfully, "Oh, you're at that part of the book, are you?"

I was shocked. "You mean I've done this before?"

"You don't remember?"

"Not really."

"Oh yes," she said. "You do this every time you write a novel. But so do all my other clients."

I didn't even get to feel unique in my despair.

So I put down the phone and drove down to the coffee house in which I was writing the book, filled my pen and carried on writing.

One word after another.

That's the only way that novels get written and, short of elves coming in the night and turning your jumbled notes into Chapter Nine, it's the only way to do it.

So keep on keeping on. Write another word and then another.

Pretty soon you'll be on the downward slide, and it's not impossible that soon you'll be at the end. Good luck...

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Albino, I agree with you on how most will say, "I is writer nu." But importantly some who have seriously thought of writing before will be energised by the project, and will begin to delve into it deeper. I certainly agree no Primo Levi's, Margaret Atwoods or J G Ballards will arise from this. But it may spark ideas that can be developed further, and some may see something in what they've written with a pride, and try again, and get better and better.

My own thing is a sort of Stephen Kingish fantasy as if done by the Coens and Rod Serling. Nowt original, but fun, and with as few magical/alien elements as I can get away with, but with it still being 'weird shit'.

I find the 'middles' the worst as well. :'(

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I usually manage to get the end down perfectly and then work round that. 'Mistaken Myth' and 'Too many pieces of Skye' are still on the go and remain unfinished-even though both of the endings are complete :s

The middle is a bugger for me aswell

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The middles are hard... but the rest isn't a cake-walk either.

I need something like this to get me kickstarted, but I've still not had time to start, so I think I'll treat it as an exercise to get back into the swing of things, but not actually to try to, you know, write 50k in a few weeks.

Also, I see Neil Gaiman writes in a coffee house. I'm going to write in a pub. Much better... and my writing (if not my typing) improves after a few pints.

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Yowsers, this is tough, but fun! There's lots of stuff on the website and wordcount stats and regional highscores and stuff. Plus I've just got a pep-talk from Phillip Pullman and have found that one of my co-workers is doing the Nanowrimo too.

I'm on 8,370 words. I am ahead by 37 words therefore. Just another 1,600 to do tonight. PHEW. Also, Nano's including me, a friend and said co-worker are meeting in Shot in the Dark next week to drink AND write, just like Curiosity recommends! Hurrah!

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Yowsers, this is tough, but fun! There's lots of stuff on the website and wordcount stats and regional highscores and stuff. Plus I've just got a pep-talk from Phillip Pullman and have found that one of my co-workers is doing the Nanowrimo too.

I'm on 8,370 words. I am ahead by 37 words therefore. Just another 1,600 to do tonight. PHEW. Also, Nano's including me, a friend and said co-worker are meeting in Shot in the Dark next week to drink AND write, just like Curiosity recommends! Hurrah!


Yeah, I wasn't even joking. I can't remember having written anything (decent) completely sober in the last few years... and I've written hundreds of thousands of words.

My problem is that I can only seem to write well when I have had a couple and when it is really late... like 1am late. On weeknights. Which is awkward.

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A Neil Gaiman pep talk for when you're half way through...


I enjoyed that (and Pullman's). That's an ace site, and though I'm not taking part myself, I find it very interesting.

Also! I've just found out about Jonathan Stroud's books (Bartimaeus Trilogy) from his pep talk on there, and they sound like a great read so I've just swooped on them.

(Anyone read them? Comments, please?)

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Hey Stirling. No, I've not read them but I have heard them well thought of. Had a flick through one of them and it seemed pretty good. I'm reading Tom's Midnight Garden for the first time at the moment. So far, so completely and utterly amazing.

9,200 words written! Woohoo!

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9,200 words written! Woohoo!


Keep going! :kiss:

Just been reading loads more of those pep talks. Very helpful and encouraging, they are.

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15,033 words now and off to bed.

I think I'm going mental.

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Keep it up!

The writing... not the mental.

Today I found a printed copy of one of my short stories, and have been reading it. A couple of typos/errors aside, it's pretty good. I always seem to be surprised when I go back and read things, as they're invariably better than my diseased brain remembers.

If I had any free time this week I'm completely in a writing mood and would go blitz something, but alas I have none.

Next week, maybe.

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