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Ashilda had a contract with the shade whereby she could remove the 'curse'. Clara effectively changed that contract, cutting out the only person who had bargained with that in mind.

I thought it was good, and it being her fault was interesting.

Capaldi is still ace.

I enjoyed the way it played with one of the philosophical problems with teleportation too.

So much in this!

-The seabed with billions of skulls was scary enough, then you realise whose skulls they were.
-Working out that what we see is probably not the first time he's gone through the loop
- The moment when how he'll escape becomes clear
- The obligatory nod to Nosferatu
- The fact that for 45 minutes it's only one man and a guy in a sheet creating the drama.

'Me' is Enchilada. Obviously.

his coup in Gallifrey (although, frankly, timelords in stupid hats can go and commit anatomical impossibilities in several dimensions, so far as I'm concerned) and how they made us think Clara had no recollection of the Doc at the start. The ending for Enchilda was pretty satisfying too.

I quite enjoyed that though the guitar playing is still an awful addition.

Loved the

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retro TARDIS!

hybrid, the introduction of galifrey, the timelords and the coup, and Enchilada

the desperation and love he has for Clara and the extreme lengths to which he would go for her

I also think Maisie Williams is great as Ashilda, and Clara is always fun, though I'm slightly conflicted on her not being dead.

Spin-off special featuring the girls in space! That'd be fun.

See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction.

Didn't Enchilada use her other healing thing on that criminal bloke? Why isn't he immortal now?

Also, why aren't that race that made them immortal?

Even if I were not to age, I don't think I would like to be immortal. You'd watch all your friends abd family get old and die. You'd be driven mad by the lonliness. The only way to combat this would be to adopt an iteratant lifestyle, and have short term superficial friendships. Your documentation would become a problem, as would travel and money matters. It'd be awful.

lasts until being the very last person in the universe (some how on Galifrey)

That said, what's to say that didn't happen and we just weren't privy to seeing it.

Curiositree wrote:

That said, what's to say that didn't happen and we just weren't privy to seeing it.

Because he didn't recognise her?

What? No she wouldn't, how would she recognise another incarnation?

Also.. by the end she's 4 billion years old. How is she not fucking batshit?

River would have recognised The Doctor long before she did. I know they tried to show she thought he was still at the limit of 12 'lives', but it was a bit silly that she would be so rigid in her thinking when faced with the obvious.

Still, that aside it was lots of fun. Capaldi's comic acting really got to come to the fore.

I've stopped watching Who since the new Doctor (I like Cipaldi, but I was just sick of the show generally), but decided to dip into the Christmas Special.

It wasn't very Christmas and wasn't very special.

The Christmas specials should be the most accessible episodes, maybe with a couple of nods and winks for the die hard fans, but it should be targetted at a general audience, perhaps including folk who have never watched Doctor Who before.

That was what I was after, and it was just a normal episode of Doctor Who I guess.

Why can't they do another one like the utterly fantastic Christmas Carol one with Michael Gambon?

At least it wasn't as bad as the atrocity of The Time of the Doctor.

Never Even heard of it.

I also don't get your love for Patrick Ness.

Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 0:21 ]
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The reason was pretty clearly explained. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! Ashilda had a contract with the shade whereby she could remove the 'curse'. Clara effectively changed that contract, cutting out the only person who had bargained with that in mind. I thought it was good, and it being her fault was interesting. Capaldi is still ace.

Author:	Kern [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 22:50 ]
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Holy crap! That was an excellent episode! Really great performance by Capaldi and very creepy at times. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! I enjoyed the way it played with one of the philosophical problems with teleportation too.

Author:	MaliA [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 23:32 ]
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I fell asleep

Author:	Kern [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:59 ]
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Missed a treat. Make amends immediately. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! So much in this! -The seabed with billions of skulls was scary enough, then you realise whose skulls they were. -Working out that what we see is probably not the first time he's gone through the loop - The moment when how he'll escape becomes clear - The obligatory nod to Nosferatu - The fact that for 45 minutes it's only one man and a guy in a sheet creating the drama. My guess for next week (I don't watch the spoilers): ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! 'Me' is Enchilada. Obviously.

Author:	Pundabaya [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 15:27 ]
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That was awesome.

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Author:	Derek The Halls [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 15:34 ]
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I find it hard to get as excited about it as many people have. I didn't hate it but it didn't really get me going so much.

Author:	Agent Starling [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 23:49 ]
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That was a good episode, though dragged a bit for me. I think Capaldi's really good at portraying the sadness and loneliness of the Doctor, missing Clara.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 30, 2015 0:09 ]
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I liked that.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Mon Nov 30, 2015 14:25 ]
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Author:	MaliA [ Sun Dec 06, 2015 22:18 ]
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I quite enjoyed that though the guitar playing is still an awful addition.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:28 ]
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I enjoyed it too, particuarly: ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! his coup in Gallifrey (although, frankly, timelords in stupid hats can go and commit anatomical impossibilities in several dimensions, so far as I'm concerned) and how they made us think Clara had no recollection of the Doc at the start. The ending for Enchilda was pretty satisfying too. Oddly, I didn't mind the guitar playing and didn't really get annoyed by the sunglasses.

Author:	myp [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:25 ]
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Swashbuckling Redshirt wrote: I quite enjoyed that though the guitar playing is still an awful addition. Nah, it's great. Loved the ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! retro TARDIS!

Author:	Kern [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:26 ]
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Festive Warrior wrote: Loved the ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! retro TARDIS! Yes! ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! Round things!

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 14:00 ]
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asd Thought it was a bit conflicted, the strange concpets of the ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! hybrid, the introduction of galifrey, the timelords and the coup, and Enchilada completely conflicted with ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! the desperation and love he has for Clara and the extreme lengths to which he would go for her

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:20 ]
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It's odd, because as Arya she portrays 'old head on young shoulders' very convincingly, but I've not been enamoured with Enchilada. No depth behind the eyes. Seems like she's being controlled from elsewhere.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 23:49 ]
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I liked it. Capaldi is great. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! I also think Maisie Williams is great as Ashilda, and Clara is always fun, though I'm slightly conflicted on her not being dead. Spin-off special featuring the girls in space! That'd be fun.

Author:	Pundabaya [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:53 ]
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See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction.

Author:	Derek The Halls [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:28 ]
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Pundabaya wrote: See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction. I agree. She's not really very convincing in delivering her lines if you ask me. Quite wooden. Anyway I loved that episode overall despite being slightly miffed with the thing with the companion situation but I was having too much of a good time to care.

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:52 ]
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Pundabaya wrote: See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction. He character is very different to the one in GoT, though I'm not sure whether that makes it more likely to be the actor or the director!

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:35 ]
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She was on that cooking program, Slaphead & The Moron, last year. She came across as being lovely. I think she's been pretty good at times in Who, but not so good at others, but some of the dialogue has been clunky.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:46 ]
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I've not found her overly believable.

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:35 ]
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Didn't Enchilada use her other healing thing on that criminal bloke? Why isn't he immortal now? Also, why aren't that race that made them immortal?

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:39 ]
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Even if I were not to age, I don't think I would like to be immortal. You'd watch all your friends abd family get old and die. You'd be driven mad by the lonliness. The only way to combat this would be to adopt an iteratant lifestyle, and have short term superficial friendships. Your documentation would become a problem, as would travel and money matters. It'd be awful.

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:53 ]
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Curiositree wrote: Didn't Enchilada use her other healing thing on that criminal bloke? Why isn't he immortal now? Also, why aren't that race that made them immortal? The power of the healing thingy was used up in repairing the damage the swirly thingy had done.

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:55 ]
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Swashbuckling Redshirt wrote: Even if I were not to age, I don't think I would like to be immortal. You'd watch all your friends abd family get old and die. You'd be driven mad by the lonliness. The only way to combat this would be to adopt an iteratant lifestyle, and have short term superficial friendships. Your documentation would become a problem, as would travel and money matters. It'd be awful. Don't look, Grim... http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5- ... death.html

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 13:50 ]
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I also don't like the introduction of an immortal who ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! lasts until being the very last person in the universe (some how on Galifrey) that the doctor created, but somehow only ever encounters, despite her looking for him, a few times in her life. Even the face of Bo thing was sufficient to account for Jack.

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 13:58 ]
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What's to say they hadn't encountered each other loads more? It's the retrofit part that doesn't work for me; that she would have met all the other incarnations too. That said, what's to say that didn't happen and we just weren't privy to seeing it.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 14:05 ]
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Curiositree wrote: That said, what's to say that didn't happen and we just weren't privy to seeing it. Because he didn't recognise her?

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:05 ]
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Mr Dave wrote: Curiositree wrote: That said, what's to say that didn't happen and we just weren't privy to seeing it. Because he didn't recognise her? Aye, but she would recognise him.

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 22:01 ]
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What? No she wouldn't, how would she recognise another incarnation?

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 22:03 ]
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In The Beex Midwinter wrote: What? No she wouldn't, how would she recognise another incarnation? Coz she's keeping an eye out for him since the time of the Vikings, and will likely be able to work out who he is, especially if he's travelling with Clara! If River Song can do it then it should be a breeze for Ashilda.

Author:	Pundabaya [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:55 ]
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Also.. by the end she's 4 billion years old. How is she not fucking batshit? And has managed to avoid getting disintegrated. Seriously. She's annoying enough for someone to wax her big style. Also, subjectively, the Doctor was in the confession thingy for a few days max. It felt like he was being dishonest by going 'I was in there for 4 billion years!' It's not like he experienced the whole thing. What he did experience was plenty bad enougH for him to be PISSED.

Author:	Derek The Halls [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 15:18 ]
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I agree about the 4 days thing. But maybe realisation of what he had done before was perhaps enough...

Author:	myp [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 18:18 ]
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Pundabaya wrote: Also.. by the end she's 4 billion years old. How is she not fucking batshit? Because she only had a normal-sized brain. She had to read her diary to remember her old memories.

Author:	myp [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 18:20 ]
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Anyway, Series 9 > Series 8. Capaldi has really grown into the character and made it his own now, plus the 2 and 3-parters have made it feel a lot less rushed. I think on balance he's my favourite Doctor now, pipping Ecclestone by a whisker. So many good speeches.