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Author:  Mimi [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 19:45 ]
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Sutures is the right word I think, though. Like stitches you have when you’re clumsy or have had a run in with a sharp thing. In the hospital.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 21:06 ]
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Mimi wrote:
I had that littkexgrey barctgat predicts words put on to do onecof those ‘autocomplete your epitaph’ things a few months ago and now I can’t remember how to get rid of it. I don’t know where little old lady comes from, though.

does it predict "barctgat"?

Author:  Mimi [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 21:08 ]
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(Little grey) (bar that)

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 21:56 ]
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Settings. General. Keyboard. Predictive.

Author:  Mimi [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 23:52 ]
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Who whooooo!

That’s better.

Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 23:55 ]
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So I haven't checked this thread for a couple of days. Has Hearthly bought a new car yet?

Author:  krazywookie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 14:07 ]
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Old golf is back from the dead! Almost.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 18:02 ]
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Oh yeah!

#HellaFlush

Author:  krazywookie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 18:32 ]
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Yes, and it may have to stay that way as the spring adjusters are rusted solid. Waiting for a new washer pump and then I'll see if I can scrape it through a mot.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 21:03 ]
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WD40!

It’ll get rid of any wet dog smell too.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 21:04 ]
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What engine’s in it Wooky?

Author:  myp [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 21:41 ]
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Looks like a Mk2 Driver or similar. I'm going to say 1.6? I had the GTI 16v which was a fantastic car.

Author:  krazywookie [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 22:18 ]
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It was a 1.8 but I blew it up and after about 4 years of it sitting with no engine I've put a 1.6 in because that's what was available.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:04 ]
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Mrs Z's Mum's Neighbour used to have a mint silver 1.8 Driver. He was retired and seemed to be always out cleaning it.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:02 ]
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Have you ever had the chance to wash a car, Hearthly?

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:29 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Have you ever had the chance to wash a car, Hearthly?


Do you like gladiator movies, Hearthly?

Author:  Mimi [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:34 ]
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Do you have one really funky sequined space suit, Hearthly, or do you have several ch-ch-ch-changes?
(I’m not entirely sure what we’re doing here, but I wanted to be part of it).

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:37 ]
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Have you ever seen a grown man naked, Hearthly?

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:42 ]
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I suspect Hearthly is otherwise engaged driving a spangly new RS Focus? ;)

Author:  myp [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:52 ]
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Cavey wrote:
I suspect Hearthly is otherwise engaged driving a spangly new RS Focus? ;)

Do you think he's still got it?

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:02 ]
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Been a fair old while now.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 14:37 ]
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I'm waiting for a KIA Stinger GT.

I reckon they'll be half price in 12-18 months.

365bhp and 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

I ain't paying £42K for one, £20-£25K seems about right.

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Author:  TheVision [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 14:41 ]
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You're not going to buy another car for another 12-18 months? Man...

May as well lock this thread then.

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 14:42 ]
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Ugh, don’t do it mate. It’s got a pretty face and it’s certainly quick, but it’s a Kia and therefore white goods in motoring terms.
Get the RS. You’ll look back and think how crazy it was, and you were to buy it, but it’ll set the pulse racing like this thing never could. Charisma and pedigree count.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 14:43 ]
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TheVision wrote:
You're not going to buy another car for another 12-18 months? Man...


I think it's important to set achievable goals.

No one at work reckons I'll last that long but I will PROVE THEM WRONG.

Author:  myp [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 14:45 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
TheVision wrote:
You're not going to buy another car for another 12-18 months? Man...


I think it's important to set achievable goals.

No one at work reckons I'll last that long but I will PROVE THEM WRONG.

That's just like drinkers doing Dry January and thus "proving" they don't need to drink though.

If you need to do it to prove people wrong, you have a problem. ;)

Author:  TheVision [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 14:45 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
TheVision wrote:
You're not going to buy another car for another 12-18 months? Man...


I think it's important to set achievable goals.

No one at work reckons I'll last that long but I will PROVE THEM WRONG.


May I be the first to wish you the very best of luck!

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:18 ]
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You'll have three more cars before you get one of those Kia's.

One of them will be a Merc.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:19 ]
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They still giving 7 years warranty and servicing on those Kia Mingers?

Author:  myp [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:20 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
They still giving 7 years warranty and servicing on those Kia Mingers?

Does it matter? He won't have it for 7 months let alone 7 years.

Author:  GazChap [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:20 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Ugh, don’t do it mate. It’s got a pretty face and it’s certainly quick, but it’s a Kia and therefore white goods in motoring terms.

Every manufacturer had to start somewhere, Cavey.

Author:  myp [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:23 ]
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Kia 15 years ago vs today are like night and day.

Author:  GazChap [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:30 ]
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Indeed.

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:36 ]
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GazChap wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Ugh, don’t do it mate. It’s got a pretty face and it’s certainly quick, but it’s a Kia and therefore white goods in motoring terms.

Every manufacturer had to start somewhere, Cavey.


Oh sure, but whereas, say, good (boring) reliable family motors at a cut price and great warranty etc. are all well and good, this is a very different proposition to producing good sports cars, surely? It's a well trodden path after all; Datsun/Nissan and Toyota etc. produced well specced, cheapo family cars for a couple of decades or more before producing anything actually worth driving as a mainstream sports car, from an enthusiasts POV, and even then had to call on third party consultancy expertise from Lotus etc. IIRC. (Honda were a bit different, granted, but they had their sports bike expertise and awesome engineers). Even Alfa Romeo, with a motoring heritage that the likes of bloody *Kia* can only dream about, have struggled for at least two decades to produce a decent sports car, or even sporting saloon - having only now *just* done so.

I've driven various perfectly worthy Kias in the last couple of years as hire cars - pretty mid-spec, well equipped type stuff but all with absolutely zero steering feel, or indeed any discernible personality whatsoever. Like I say, white goods.

It all comes back to why someone like Hearthly, not an average punter but an enthusiast and petrolhead, spends so much money on cars and changing them. That Leon he is in would keep 99% of people (and probably everyone here apart from you, me and him) very happy, but it's just never going to cut it for the likes of us. Unfortunately perhaps, most expensively certainly.

I read somewhere fairly recently that all modern RS Fords have an incredibly difficult, painful and loss-leadingly expensive gestation; one has only to think of the troubled, skittish but incredible charismatic, marmite Mk 1 RS Focus, the 'revoknuckle' Mk 2 Focus, the RS Cosworth Escort... and how few and far between they are. Even 1980s stuff like the "jellymould" Sierra Cosworth RS500 fetches £140,000 now; I seriously doubt any Kia will ever command such affection and reverence - and let alone actual REAL RS Fords like the Mk 1 and Mk 2 Escort RS1600/RS1800/RS2000. These cars are the stuff of dreams every one; Kias just aren't.

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:43 ]
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Cavey wrote:
That Leon he is in would keep 99% of people (and probably everyone here apart from you, me and him) very happy, but it's just never going to cut it for the likes of us.


You gonna stand for that, petrolheads?

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:44 ]
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Maybe I need to take a second look at Citroen Picassos. :D

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:47 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Maybe I need to take a second look at Citroen Picassos. :D

Too much car for the likes of you, man. You couldn't handle the raw power, the sheer animal fire of the french diesel. You would cry. You would weep tears of pure engine oil.

Stay away...

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:48 ]
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:D

At least it's not electric mate, all is not lost. :metul:

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 15:50 ]
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Cavey wrote:
:D

At least it's not electric mate, all is not lost. :metul:

The windows are electric.

The front two, anyway.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 16:04 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Cavey wrote:
That Leon he is in would keep 99% of people (and probably everyone here apart from you, me and him) very happy, but it's just never going to cut it for the likes of us.


You gonna stand for that, petrolheads?

Well as a Dieselhead all I can say about Cavey is, "Accidental Partridge".

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 16:08 ]
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Top Gear give it a rating of 6/10, which isn't bad for a first stab to be fair. :)

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...But it’s the V6 Stinger GT S that really shows off the car’s much-hyped honing, and sticks it to the likes of BMW and Audi with a genuinely entertaining chassis. It’ll do 167mph and 0-62mph in 5.1sec. But first, you’ll be wanting to choose your mode. There’s plenty…

The Stinger suffers from a phenomenon we shall call Mode Overload. Or maybe OverMode. Kia’s very proud of the five settings that control the car’s steering, ride and engine response, but the fact is there’s not a great deal of distance between them.

You’ll start in Comfort, which isn’t terribly interesting. ‘Eco’ stifles all responses in an effort to save fuel, so you might not spend much time there either. ‘Smart’ is a clever idea – it’s supposed to learn your driving style and adapt to it, but its effects are too subtle. And if you have a sporty driving style, you might as well twist the knob towards Sport, which adds fake noise, stiffer suspension and slightly heavier steering. Sport Plus keeps all of that on and switches the traction control off. Sport is the best: you put up with the gloopier steering weight to have the fizzier powertrain and tighter body control. It’s supposed to be a sports saloon right? If you want a car of this size and price that totally changes its behaviour as you cycle through modes, go check out the Mercedes-AMG C43.

Settled into Sport Mode, the Stinger sets about pleasantly surprising you. It steers accurately, and the variable ratio set-up isn’t so overly rapid that the front tyres get caught out every time you pour it into a corner. Looking at you, C43.

So, you find some corners and discover there’s a pleasant, easy-going balance to the chassis, which manages the critical trick of hiding its weight without detaching you from what’s going on at the wheels. It floats a little if you’re bounding over crests, but the suspension tidies up the movements professionally and there’s less body roll than you’d expect for such a sizeable barge. The Brembo brakes aren’t brimming with precision, but they’re abuse-absorbing, and if you’re going to hustle the Stinger, it’s reassuring to know the stoppers aren’t made from the chocolate wafers BMW M Sport discs are.

On the road, the Stinger doesn’t just hide its weight, it also shrinks its size. It feels no bigger or more cumbersome than a 4 Series. It cruises extremely quietly. And it feels quick too. The V6 is more on the Audi S4 end of the charisma scale than up there with the raucous C43, but it delivers power with a broad, stout linearity, and the eight gear ratios are chosen cleverly. Turbo lag? Not a problem.

The gearbox is less impressive. The changes, manual or automated, just aren’t that quick, and because you’re denied a true manual mode, it’ll get properly flustered if paddleshift override disagrees with its opinion of what gear to pick next. It always auto upchanges at the (fake) redline, and if you accidentally trigger the lockdown button you might as well stick the hazards on while the transmission fumbles for the shortest gear possible.


https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia/stinger/driving

Author:  myp [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 16:38 ]
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Yeah if the AMG is a similar price I'm having that instead.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 16:47 ]
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On the road, the Stinger doesn’t just hide its weight, it also shrinks its size.

How the fuck does it do that? Superb for parking.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 16:50 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Yeah if the AMG is a similar price I'm having that instead.

Merc: £47, 650 - £56,780
Kia: £31,140 – £39,240

So no, not that close.

Author:  myp [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 16:59 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Yeah if the AMG is a similar price I'm having that instead.

Merc: £47, 650 - £56,780
Kia: £31,140 – £39,240

So no, not that close.

Top Gear is talking shit then. Wouldn't be the first time.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 17:01 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Yeah if the AMG is a similar price I'm having that instead.

Merc: £47, 650 - £56,780
Kia: £31,140 – £39,240

So no, not that close.


It's the Kia's price 12-18 months down the line I'll be keeping an eye on, at which point it'll still have over five years manufacturer warranty left.

Author:  Cavey [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 17:06 ]
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Just did a 10 sec search, according to this the Merc costs £45k and the Kia costs £40.5k.

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-revie ... 17-review/

http://www.evo.co.uk/kia/stinger-gt/186 ... s-revealed

That's not really the point though of course, it was more the duff gearbox, floaty suspension, gloopy steering and fake noise, fake redline etc. mentioned, any of which would be deal breakers for me at any price, regardless of whether or not it's more or less expensive than the equivalent Merc (that's probably not up to snuff either). But that's precisely what I'm saying: these things don't matter to most people, but they *do* matter if you're massively into driving at its visceral, thrill-seeking extreme, at all costs (quite literally). Hearthly needs a car that actually ticks the correct boxes, and this Kia ain't it, any more than some dreary Golf clone isn't either.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 17:09 ]
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Kia Prides were mazdas 121 and Nissan micra.s.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 17:17 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Top Gear give it a rating of 6/10, which isn't bad for a first stab to be fair. :)


To me that sounds like just the sort of thing I'm after, effectively a more modern S4 that goes very fast in a straight line and has all the toys on it, that I'll be able to buy at 12-18 months old with a long warranty left on it, instead of 6-7 years old and with the risk of big bills at any time.

It kind of ties in with the reviews I've been reading/watching elsewhere TBH.

I've had the Type-R already, it was bonkers and fun and awesome, but it's not the type of car I want to drive every day. A Focus RS would just be a variation on that theme really.

EDIT - Price wise, the point with the Stinger GT versus equivalent Merc/BMW/Audi is (from what I've seen) that a fully loaded Stinger GT will run you a bit less than a base spec 'German equivalent', Doug DeMuro said (IIRC) that a fully loaded GT costs a bit less than a base model 540i.


Author:  GazChap [ Tue Feb 13, 2018 17:18 ]
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Cavey wrote:
it was more the duff gearbox

I'll give you that one, that gearbox sounds proper shite.

Quote:
floaty suspension, gloopy steering and fake noise, fake redline etc.

These are all pretty much par for the course these days though, and there's no getting away from that.

I keep thinking about getting back into a car from that lovely triple-striped M division, but even they've gone down this road now (in fact, they were probably one of the first to add fake exhaust noise) - I think the E9x M3 is probably the last "proper" M-car, but it's lacking some of the creature comforts that draw me to its newer brothers.

If Hearthly is all about the visceral thrill-seeking, perhaps he should just drop the sponds on an E46 M3 CSL ;)

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