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There are some electrical issues though. Like it won't lock consistently from the key fob. And the driver's side wing mirror won't fold. And the passenger's side seatbelt extender doesn't work. And there's an airbag error on the dash. And the driver's side headrest won't go up and down. Some slight vibration under braking too so could be a warped disc.

This is a stupid idea! :D

While reading this, I have quite literally only just realised why you sent me that picture yesterday. I genuinely thought you were complaining about some other knobber parking in your space.

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I was young, I needed the money etc.

Is the Merc the biggest car you've owned? Looks like it's a fair bit bigger than a Type-R ;)


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I was young, I needed the money etc.

Is the Merc the biggest car you've owned? Looks like it's a fair bit bigger than a Type-R ;)

It's not that big, only a coupe. But probably still yeah!

It's also the first automatic, first V6 and first car with more than 200bhp I've owned!


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Ooh, red bits on the seats :) Amusing to me that it came from a BMW dealer at some point ;)

Looks like a nice place to be inside - very different car to the Type-R though, why the change?


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Ooh, red bits on the seats :) Amusing to me that it came from a BMW dealer at some point ;)

Looks like a nice place to be inside - very different car to the Type-R though, why the change?

Wanted something a bit more grown up. The Civic was loud even when driving it sensibly.

I should be able to get £2.5k for the Civic so I'll use that £1k balance to get some of the niggles fixed.

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Ooh, red bits on the seats :) Amusing to me that it came from a BMW dealer at some point ;)

Looks like a nice place to be inside - very different car to the Type-R though, why the change?

Wanted something a bit more grown up. The Civic was loud even when driving it sensibly.

I should be able to get £2.5k for the Civic so I'll use that £1k balance to get some over 50s life cover and a free Parker pen just for enquiring.


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Sorry what do you drive again, Mark?

I loved your MX-5. Should've stuck with that.

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I'm always a bit suspicious of air fresheners in modern cars because they shouldn't smell of anything, so I automatically assume they're there to cover something up.


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I'm always a bit suspicious of air fresheners in modern cars because they shouldn't smell of anything, so I automatically assume they're there to cover something up.


In Oman, 20 years back, the valet services offered "New Car Smell" or "Baby powder" as a finishing touch.

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I'm always a bit suspicious of air fresheners in modern cars because they shouldn't smell of anything, so I automatically assume they're there to cover something up.

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Going over to BMW in Hook on Sunday morning to take a good look over this 5GT - finance application etc. is already approved and ready to go.

I was hoping to take the car on Sunday, but they need more time to sort that out - but, in a "dealer providing good service" shocker, to save me having to make another 3-4 hour journey back down to them to pick the car up, they're going to deliver it to me on Wednesday next week. Assuming I like it, obvs.

Which I will. It's not normal for me to do this amount of research before buying a car, feels oddly... nice. Unless there's something horrifically wrong with the car, all of the dotted lines will be signed on Sunday :)


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Jem is getting the toyota, as a runabout?

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She already uses it as a runabout ;)


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Well, that's my bit of trying to put cat among pigeons for entertainment ruined. Dance, you swines, dance!

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She already uses it as a runabout ;)


Or would, if someone hadn't taken the steering wheel off.

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Mrs C is "too scared" to drive the GT4 :'(
Personally, I'd be well chuffed if she was fighting me for the keys. I reckon you should have said steering wheel reinstated Jem! Go girl. :D

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Sal said she'd only learn to drive if I bought an automatic. So I've called her bluff.

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Sal said she'd only learn to drive if I bought an automatic. So I've called her bluff.

By going all hipster retro and buying a blunderbuss?

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Sal said she'd only learn to drive if I bought an automatic. So I've called her bluff.

By going all hipster retro and buying a blunderbuss?


Someone call the police!

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Just saw an Ariel Atom on the Nottingham ring road. :s

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Just saw an Ariel Atom on the Nottingham ring road. :s


Fair do's! :D
You see some crazy stuff on the road... I once saw a Bac Mono single seat racer on the road (on its way to Oulton presumably; we live within 3 miles of the circuit I'm happy to say), so low to the ground I seriously doubt your average lorry driver would even see it, and a classic 'Ducktailed' 911 2.7 Carerra RS (about a million quids worth, Mrs C has the "Carerra RS" logo tatooed on her lower back in precisely the correct classic Porsche font :D ) on the same day.

Also saw a Superdry Morgan 3-wheeler the other day as well..... what an absurd car but I want one really badly to confirm my "Toad of Toad Hall" status around here. Magnificently English; 'poop poop' etc. :D

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Just saw an Ariel Atom on the Nottingham ring road. :s

I was driving a lwb transit and one tried to overtake me going around a small roundabout. Almost crushed it. Not a chance of seeimg it. Stupid knobber.

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I see loads of Morgans, working quarter of a mile from the factory.


Awesome! I love 'em, even the slow old 4/4. :)
Quintessentially English (even though Ford or BMW powered). Ash frame, watch out for woodworm lol.

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Finished at 2pm today to collect the car, then went for a three hour drive around the island, with a decent mix of town driving, B road driving, TT course driving etc at a variety of speeds (in normal speed limit zones and on derestricted roads).

It's a fabulously good fun car to drive 'properly', but also perfectly tolerable and tame around town. Obviously I didn't push it too far as I'm still learning it and the conditions weren't ideal either.

The turbo changes things a lot, with loads of pulling power from 2500-3000rpm upwards, and there's none of the 'power stages' that you got with the old VTECs, just a solid wall of power all the way out to 6500rpm (it redlines at 7000rpm but you want to be changing before then).

The gearbox is superb (many reviewers cite it as one of the best manual boxes going, the Top Gear site's review said if all manuals were this good no one would want DSGs), with really quick, accurate changes, and just 40mm of throw. (I've seen the phrase 'bolt action rifle' used more than once to describe it.)

The handing is quite a bit different to the S4, FWD versus AWD for starters, it's a smaller car, it's a lot stiffer sprung, and so on. In a straight line with the power right down it definitely feels a bit more skittery than the S4 (Honda have massively reduced torque steer but not eliminated it), but through the corners it's far tighter and more composed. (There's a diff in the front axle that does all sorts of clever shit, so everyone says.)

The R+ mode is an absolute hoot, not least because it makes all the instruments and screens go blood red which looks cool, but then you have sharper throttle response, the suspension becomes 30% stiffer, the steering firms up, it eases off on the traction control and stuff like that. Many reviewers say it's useless unless you're on a race track, but whilst the TT course is not a race track when it's open as a public road, it's still maintained as if it were a race track, and the entire mountain section (some 10 miles) is derestricted :)

Cabin wise it's solidly put together with decent materials and a good fit and finish, I didn't particularly feel like I was 'trading down' coming from the S4. The main touchscreen is splendid, you can swipe and drag like on an iPad, and pinch in and out to change the satnav range, that sort of thing. As mine is the GT it has all the extra toys, including the Garmin satnav, reversing camera + front and rear sensors, upgraded speaker system (which sounds excellent), it reads road signs as you go past and displays what the speed limit is, it does collision/lane detection etc and will apparently brake for you if you're about to read-end someone in town.

The Bluetooth audio streaming from Spotify on my phone worked flawlessly, it's got dual-USB, HDMI (!?!?) and iPod inputs as well. Most things can be controlled from the steering wheel controls, there are a few 'hard' buttons next to the touchscreen and then you've got the touchscreen itself.

My average MPG for the trip was 30.5mpg, and it saw the high side of 100mph and 6000-7000rpm on several occasions.

The looks are entirely subjective, personally I think it looks aweseome, as detailed earlier in this thread the first time I clamped eyes on it I wanted one (when the Honda dealer here got their demonstrator in), and vowed that once the price came down a bit I'd have one - and so it has come to pass.

As it is mine is less than two years old (it's a Dec 2015), it's had one owner, and it's only done 15000 miles. 16 months of warranty left to run and over three years of the Honda Care Plan.

So initial impressions are most definitely that I like it a lot.

Now it is time for Buckfast.

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Love the Type R! If I wanted to spunk away cash like we're just about to die in a nuclear holocaust I would consider one of those.

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It's a marmite car for sure; no doubting its prowess and impeccable calibre as a seriously fast, well-sorted, well-engineered piece of kit whose quality doubtless puts many to shame, but I just could not live with those looks! (But of course, I'm a bald 50 year old twat, hardly Honda's target audience for this car lol)

Genuinely chuffed you love it Hearthly, best feeling in the world mate. Well done you. :)

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Well they didn't waste much time.....

I'd guessed it'd get punted back out at £15K.

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It's a marmite car for sure; no doubting its prowess and impeccable calibre as a seriously fast, well-sorted, well-engineered piece of kit whose quality doubtless puts many to shame, but I just could not live with those looks! (But of course, I'm a bald 50 year old twat, hardly Honda's target audience for this car lol)

Genuinely chuffed you love it Hearthly, best feeling in the world mate. Well done you. :)


Thanks Cavey :)

The looks are definitely divisive, I've not heard anyone say 'Yeah it looks alright I guess', one of the chaps at work hates it and thinks four exhaust pipes for a 4-cylinder engine is borderline offensive - 'It looks like someone trying to smuggle a fucking church organ' was his comment.

I guess I'll get this car in before I tip over to the wrong side of 45, and consider something a bit more gentlemanly for the next one.....


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Oh yes the one thing I hated with a passion was the STOP/START 'functionality' the car has, seriously that is some annoying shit.

The first button I found was the one that turns it off.

Who wants their car turning its engine off when you're at traffic lights?

Is it some sort of eco nonsense to make the fuel economy figures look better or something?


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On Fords, it only switched off if you shift to neutral, engage handbrake and take your foot off the clutch.

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On Fords, it only switched off if you shift to neutral, engage handbrake and take your foot off the clutch.

Easy to avoid if you don't like it


Yes it's the same on the Type-R, I was trying to drive 'properly' like I was on a test or something as part of my acclimatising back to a manual, and the engine turned itself off, and I'm like, what the fuck?


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I don't normally like cars but to be honest, I like the looks of that Honda.


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It's very "Gran turismo". It's not what I'd choose, but for a car of that type it looks great.


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I don't normally like cars but to be honest, I like the looks of that Honda.

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OK here's a thing I'm really not sold on, keyless entry. (The Type-R is the first car I've had that possesses this 'useful' feature.)

So the car unlocks itself when you get close to it, and all you have to do is open the door. Then you don't need to put the key into the ignition when you're in the car, indeed it doesn't even have an ignition, just press the ENGINE START button and vroom vroom off you go.

EXCEPT - You still need to put the keys somewhere, and an ignition just happens to be a dead handy place to put the keys.

So keep the keys in your pocket, people say, but I find that uncomfortable and I don't like doing it, plus they can sit awkwardly in your pocket and dig into you and stuff.

So then I end up having to put the keys somewhere like the cup holders, which is silly, and more of a faff than just putting them in an ignition.

Overall I give keyless entry 474/1000, I don't think it's really any better than just blipping the car open with the remote and then sticking the key in an ignition. (In the S4 the actual fob was the key, and there was a receptacle in the dash to put it into, which I think is a better system.)


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Well the thing is the keys have to go somewhere, so what better place for them than an actual receptacle designed specifically for the job?

Who likes sitting down with keys in their pocket, especially in a car seat?

My keyring is stripped down to the basics so it's car fob, front door key, back door key, and a little 'coin' thing for the trolleys at Shoprite, but I still don't want to sit in a bucket seat with them in my pocket 'cause it's uncomfortable.

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But cars generally have loads of places to dump stuff from your pockets. This is the most bizarre non-issue yet. Nobody except a madman would think that the best place to keep your keys is dangling from a hole in the dashboard if it weren't usually a necessity.


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You are using the 'Ted' forum. Bill doesn't really exist any more. Bogus!
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RIP, Owen. RIP, MrC.

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