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Author:  Bobbyaro [ Wed Jun 07, 2017 19:22 ]
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And if it's one car, you're using Mark's.

Kwik fit sold me me brakes after 5000 miles from new. I have always blamed the dealer for this. Until reading this page. It never occurred to me they would lie like that. Surely it is illegal?
Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jun 07, 2017 20:47 ]
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*smells fingers*
Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jun 07, 2017 20:49 ]
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Three things to consider before someone else says you need new brakes.

Sound: Do they squeal / grind?
Performance: Are you taking longer to stop than you're used to?
Smell: Is the back of your keks like a sewer or summer meadow?
Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Wed Jun 07, 2017 23:47 ]
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My dad changed the brakes, both pads and discs, on my Fiesta when I was a young teen and I helped.

It looked pretty straightforward - when everything was going smoothly on the first side.... But then, the disc on the other side was a real pain to get off. Luckily dad had a 'rotor puller' (I think it was called that, it was like a three pronged claw with a screw thread in the middle - it hooks round the back of the disc pulls evenly so it doesn't bend / snap / mess things up) and he knew what he was doing.

Then, we had to bleed the brake line or something. It was during this that I realised, while I am happy to have a go with basic things, the critical stuff is best left to someone that knows what they are doing and has the tools needed (both for doing it easy, and also for responding if something goes wrong or gets a bit tricky).

The feeling I hate is getting part way through and then getting stuck, with important things 'in bits' and not sure how to either proceed or return to the previous state.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 0:58 ]
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TheVision wrote:
The fact that Grim... Reckons he's got mates? I know. Bless him.

My dad helped me :(
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:05 ]
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Grim... wrote:
TheVision wrote:
The fact that Grim... Reckons he's got mates? I know. Bless him.

My dad helped me :(

Aw :luv:
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 15:04 ]
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It begins.

The Rover turned itself off in traffic this morning requiring a reboot. 40 minutes later, the fans died.
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 15:59 ]
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Car felt a little rough on the last couple of miles home last night. got in the car this morning, and there was a hell of a rumbling -got 100 yards down the road, stopped, checked, and it turns out I had a flat. Not just a flat, but the tyre was migrating its way off the rim, inwards. Must have been a bit more than a couple of miles on it last night. Got back onto the driveway, jacked the car up, then the jack fell over as I was on a slope (I'd thought it'd be fine. It's not that steep....). Drove car out onto flat road, tried again. Got tyre replaced at friendly tyre place in town.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 16:00 ]
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Chock dem wheelz, son!
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 16:01 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Got tyre replaced at friendly tyre place in townKwik Fit.

:DD
Author:  MrChris [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 16:27 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Got tyre replaced at friendly tyre place in townKwik Fit.

:DD

Heh no - have never used Kwikfit for anything as they're a bunch of liars and thieves.

Grim - how would that help? The jack itself tipped over as the car was on too much of an incline (nose to tail)
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 08, 2017 16:50 ]
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Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, you'd have to level the jack base up then.

And chock a wheel anyway.
Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 17:53 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
the S4 needs 5W30/5W40 and it has to meet VW504/507 spec.

This should do you:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FUCHS-TITAN-5W ... ag=beex-21


It is time to order this oil!

The S4 is 'using' a litre every 1400-1500 miles, bloody thing.

Still £28.11p for five litres is a lot more palatable than £50 for four litres.

Thanks for the heads-up Grim... :)
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 19:01 ]
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Fucking hell. Is it meant to use that much?
Author:  DBSnappa [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 19:03 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Fucking hell. Is it meant to use that much?

I recall long term test reports from various car mags reporting that some performance audis use lots of oil.
Author:  GazChap [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 19:34 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
The S4 is 'using' a litre every 1400-1500 miles, bloody thing.

Mental. Even my M5's didn't use any oil between services.
Author:  BikNorton [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 19:37 ]
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My civic type-r used that much.
Author:  myp [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 19:40 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
My civic type-r used that much.

Mine doesn't!
Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 19:50 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Fucking hell. Is it meant to use that much?


Apparently the 'bad' ones can be a litre every 1000 miles :o

Many theories abound on the internetz as to the root cause, and Audi are total arseholes about it, officially designating that a litre every 1000 miles or less is within normal operating parameters, so you can't complain to them 'cause it says it in the manual.

It's not anything to worry about per se, once your car's 'loss rate' has been established it'll stay the same and not get any worse, and the engines are now routinely getting up to 100-150K without issues, just make sure you've got a steady supply of oil available.

It's not even just the performance ones either, a mate at work has a 1.8T A4 and his spunks through a litre every 1000 miles or so.

One theory here, for example:

Quote:
Some of our cars use negligible oil. Others more than that. The real problem is that Audi sets the standards for "EXCESSIVE" oil consumption so high(1 qt/1000 miles) that they will almost never have a warranty claim. Its pure Audi BS cop out. Most of those with cars that do consume appreciable amounts of oil have unfortunately followed Audi's "easy" break in technique. No one posting on AW, QW or AZ that has used more aggressive techniques have reported significant oil consumption issue so far. That cannot be said about those following the audi easy technique. What break in style did you use? If you did baby the car for the first 1000 miles and you have oil consumption issues, most likely, your piston rings have never completely seated. AND, it is not likely that they ever will. I hope I am wrong. Nevertheless, Audi doesn't care and most likely will never rectify the situation unless you are consuming more than 1 qt/1000 miles. IMHO, That's a lot of oil to burn and still be considered "within normal limits". You might find some of the posts by redrockeron this link interesting since they are based on actual oil analysis of his engine http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-1k-Oil-change
Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 20:22 ]
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Going to see the remap men tomorrow :luv:
Author:  BikNorton [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 22:44 ]
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My Octavia rs' 1.8t never burnt oil. It was a fleet car for Bentley for a year before I had it. I doubt they treated it any more nicely than I did.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 0:28 ]
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Have you checked that it's not actually a two-stroke, Hearthly?
Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:09 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Have you checked that it's not actually a two-stroke, Hearthly?


:DD

It's just the way the B8 A4/S4 is, not even specifically the V6 3.0 litre supercharged engine found in my car.

It is a ballache but I'm not massively concerned about it, in fact I just tell myself that a car getting a litre of fresh oil every 1500 miles isn't a bad thing, it's like a rolling programme of oil changes :)

There was some class lawsuit thing settled a few years back IIRC over in The States, whereby Audi agreed to fix cars with 'excessive' oil consumption or something.
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:41 ]
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#wheredoestheoilgo
Author:  krazywookie [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:06 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
#wheredoestheoilgo

#intothecombustionchamberandfromthereouttheexhaustassmoke
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:40 ]
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Isn't there a danger of killing the catalyst with all that oil smoke, and/or failing emissions testing?

That's a ridiculously high oil consumption IMO. Not one of my cars of the last 5 years has even required one single oil top up between servicing (except for my Amarok, which does seem to like a dash of oil occasionally but nowhere to this extent - and it's a 2-tonne, 3 litre diesel 4x4 Ute). Do you get blue smoke when revved and/or at other times?
Author:  TheVision [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:49 ]
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Is it the parktronic sensors? Are they using up all the oil?
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:49 ]
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TheVision wrote:
Is it the parktronic sensors? Are they using up all the oil?

Oh, you scamp
Author:  TheVision [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:56 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
TheVision wrote:
Is it the parktronic sensors? Are they using up all the oil?

Oh, you scamp


Someone had to! :)
Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:28 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Isn't there a danger of killing the catalyst with all that oil smoke, and/or failing emissions testing?

That's a ridiculously high oil consumption IMO. Not one of my cars of the last 5 years has even required one single oil top up between servicing (except for my Amarok, which does seem to like a dash of oil occasionally but nowhere to this extent - and it's a 2-tonne, 3 litre diesel 4x4 Ute). Do you get blue smoke when revved and/or at other times?


Well the numbers roughly work out as follows, long-term the car is doing 24.7mpg which equates to about 5.5 miles per litre of petrol.

As such in 1500 miles it’ll use 273 litres of petrol, and one litre of oil.

So the ratio of petrol to oil being burned is 273:1, so no, there’s no blue smoke or anything else. If it weren’t for having to top it up with a litre every 1500 miles, there’d be no indication there was anything out of the ordinary.

TheVision wrote:
Is it the parktronic sensors? Are they using up all the oil?


That bloody Merc..... <shudders>....... :D
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:29 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
That bloody Merc..... <shudders>....... :D


Giphy "no sympathy":
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oKIPgSaHc35qrfujS/giphy-loop.mp4
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:30 ]
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Fucking *hell* giphy, you suck!
Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 ]
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giphy knows whose side to be on.
Author:  TheVision [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:39 ]
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You say it was a bloody Merc, but I think it's my favourite car that I've never owned as I did find it most amusing to hear your updates on it.
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:47 ]
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Giphy "smoker":
https://media0.giphy.com/media/myyh5OAsGeGUo/giphy-loop.mp4[/quote]

Gah. That's pretty crap. :(
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:18 ]
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If you do 100,000 miles in that Audi, you'll spend £1,873 on oil.

That's... That's a lot.
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:49 ]
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Plus, let's be honest, most people are too lazy and/or disorganised (very much including me) to organise some internet bulk buy of cheap oil or whatever, we'd just reach for the (£20) litre of Helix ultra or whatever in the Shell garage. In which case, I guess that figure goes up considerably - and it doesn't include actual scheduled oil change costs either? :S

Still say this sounds well excessive to me, and if it were me having to fork out/constantly fill the oil, I'd be a bit miffed.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:18 ]
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Nah, I based on this stuff, which is £28: https://www.amazon.co.uk/FUCHS-TITAN-5W ... ag=beex-21

I'm not sure I'd ever change the oil if it ate it at that rate.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:18 ]
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Has your new Porsche arrived yet, Cavester?
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:51 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Has your new Porsche arrived yet, Cavester?


Had it yonks. :)
Going to the Ring and F1 Spa in September with Porsche, with all the GT3-RS big boys. :)
Should be fun getting 200 mph on the clock on the Autobahn, too.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 13:53 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Has your new Porsche arrived yet, Cavester?


Had it yonks. :)
Going to the Ring and F1 Spa in September with Porsche, with all the GT3-RS big boys. :)
Should be fun getting 200 mph on the clock on the Autobahn, too.


What CDs you taking to listen to in it?
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 14:41 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Has your new Porsche arrived yet, Cavester?


Had it yonks. :)
Going to the Ring and F1 Spa in September with Porsche, with all the GT3-RS big boys. :)
Should be fun getting 200 mph on the clock on the Autobahn, too.


Wait, you know people that aren't us?!?!
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 14:47 ]
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Surprising though that may well seem: yes. :D
Author:  myp [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 14:48 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Has your new Porsche arrived yet, Cavester?


Had it yonks. :)
Going to the Ring and F1 Spa in September with Porsche, with all the GT3-RS big boys. :)
Should be fun getting 200 mph on the clock on the Autobahn, too.

Take me please!
Author:  Mr Dave [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 14:55 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Has your new Porsche arrived yet, Cavester?


Had it yonks. :)
Going to the Ring and F1 Spa in September with Porsche, with all the GT3-RS big boys. :)
Should be fun getting 200 mph on the clock on the Autobahn, too.

Take me please!

You Horndog
Author:  Cavey [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 15:01 ]
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Sorry Myp, Mrs C is already booked :luv:

Assuming you're not mucking about, though, sure we could get some Silverstone or Oulton action sorted at some point?
Author:  myp [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 15:03 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Sorry Myp, Mrs C is already booked :luv:

Assuming you're not mucking about, though, sure we could get some Silverstone or Oulton action sorted at some point?

I'd be well up for that. :)
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 15:19 ]
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Ahem.
Author:  myp [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 15:20 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Ahem.

Only two seats, sorry mate
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 15:23 ]
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I might have myself a "sports car" soon, so that's easily solved.
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