Ooh, E46 M3, lovely jubbly mate. All-time engine for me, that.
Heard nasty stories about the SMG 'box though, so tread carefully and do your research? (Gaz etc. will know much more than I do, but just saying like)
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 13:18 ] |
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£8,000 for that is strong money unless it's really low mileage IMO. Silver with black leather - worst colour combination, by far the most "common" and is really boring (one of the reasons I sold mine) By the looks of the rear lights it's a pre-facelift. I paid £7,800 for my facelift convertible in November last year, which had every option except the TV function. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 13:29 ] |
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To the haggle-o-tron! |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 14:04 ] |
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Mileage and service history, really. My cab was on 96K when I bought it I think, with a full service history, 90% at BMW dealers. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 14:25 ] |
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GazChap wrote: Mileage and service history, really. My cab was on 96K when I bought it I think, with a full service history, 90% at BMW dealers. 90K, BMW service history to five years ago, then independent local specialist. It's a 2003 car, apparently. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 14:40 ] |
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Going rate on AT is between £7,250 and £7,500 for 2003 cars with around 90K. Is it manual or SMG? |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 14:51 ] |
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Manual. He says it is priced a bit on the high side but apparently you've 'got to try'. Two enquiries since it went up on the local Buy & Sell Facebook page last night. I've offered him a 2008 Honda Civic Type-R and a grand. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 16:08 ] |
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Ooops my mistake it's actually an SMG, I thought it was manual. He also wants to know what the best colour combination is 'cause he reckons silver and black is just fine. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 16:23 ] |
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Best standard colour combo, as in the most desirable, is generally considered to be black with red leather. Estoril Blue with black leather is also highly desirable I understand, but I'm pretty sure Estoril is a BMW Individual colour on the M3. SMG is going to lower the price a bit too. Manuals are more due to rarity and driver involvement. That and the SMG-II (like the SMG-III in the M5) is known to lunch clutches very quickly when driven hard. Has it had a clutch change or is it still on original clutch/DMF? |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 18:17 ] |
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Ooh, E46 M3, lovely jubbly mate. All-time engine for me, that. Heard nasty stories about the SMG 'box though, so tread carefully and do your research? (Gaz etc. will know much more than I do, but just saying like) |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 18:31 ] |
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GazChap wrote: Best standard colour combo, as in the most desirable, is generally considered to be black with red leather. Estoril Blue with black leather is also highly desirable I understand, but I'm pretty sure Estoril is a BMW Individual colour on the M3. SMG is going to lower the price a bit too. Manuals are more due to rarity and driver involvement. That and the SMG-II (like the SMG-III in the M5) is known to lunch clutches very quickly when driven hard. Has it had a clutch change or is it still on original clutch/DMF? Cheers GazChap, I shall assault him with information and questions in the morning when we're both back in work Not sure I like the idea of this clutch malarkey though, I don't want to walk into any big bills. The Type-R is a great little car and being a Honda of course, nothing goes wrong with it, nothing will probably ever go wrong with it, and it's pretty sane on tax (under 2 litre), insurance (I'm an old man), and fuel (33mpg long term). Servicing and consumables (such as tyres) are very reasonable too. On the other hand though, I really do love the E46 M3, there's something about them I just can't resist, and I know for a fact that this one has been impeccably looked after. I'll ask him about the clutch though..... |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 18:45 ] |
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They are great cars, and the engine is a peach. By most accounts, practically bullet proof as well, VANOS issues excepted (which I believe were mostly sorted on post-facelift cars, which is another reason that pre-facelifts are worth less.) Things to look out for: - rear suspension springs broken - rear trailing arm bushes worn and in need of replacement - evidence of a clutch change at some point. They're good for 60K when driven sympathetically, but can go in under 30K if driven hard. Either way, at 90K it should have had at least one new clutch in its life. Replacing is around £800 in parts and God knows what in labour. - Rust on, and under wheel arches - especially at the rear And, the big one - the rear subframe. If he's looked after it as impeccably as you say, he will know all about the rear subframe issue and will have either had it regularly inspected or had it sorted if it was going wrong. Basically, the rear subframe on the E46 cars (especially the M3 and more powerful non-M models) cannot take the amount of torque that goes through the rear of the car and are prone to cracking. If it's not caught early enough and sorted, the subframe basically falls apart. If it's not showing any signs of cracking (and personally I'd get a proper specialist inspection done before you buy) then it may never do it, but keep an eye on it - lots of videos and guides on how to look out for problems. If it's showing signs of cracking, even hairline, either walk away or budget for having it sorted. Various specialists back on the mainland charge around £1,500-£2,000 to strengthen the area with resin, but it's possible to replace the entire affected area with new plates, but this costs more (about £4K I seem to remember.) |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:00 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Now exhaust is blowing on big car. Fuck's sake. hopefully I can patch it with a tin can later tonight. It is very noisy. Predictably, it seems is the section with the two catalytic converters in. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:00 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Now exhaust is blowing on big car. Fuck's sake. hopefully I can patch it with a tin can later tonight. It is very noisy. Predictably, it seems is the section with the two catalytic converters in. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 17:23 ] |
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MaliA wrote: MaliA wrote: Now exhaust is blowing on big car. Fuck's sake. hopefully I can patch it with a tin can later tonight. It is very noisy. Predictably, it seems is the section with the two catalytic converters in. I bought some tin snips so I will remove the heat shields and bandage the two pipes back together with the straight pipe repair I bought and then jubilee clip a coke can around it. If that does not work then I will spend £500... |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 21:00 ] |
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You're frickin' MacGuyver, dude. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 22:25 ] |
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No,just tight. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:01 ] |
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Cam belt went on the Clio at 50mph on the bypass this morning. What are the odds that the engine survived? |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:11 ] |
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How quickly did you shut it off when it went? From my limited research the Clios use interference engines so if the cam belt goes there's a good chance the engine has stuffed itself, but if you were quick to shut it down it might have limited the damage. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:19 ] |
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Unless you turn it off within one revolution, surely the valves are all still at risk of being buggered? |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:24 ] |
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Yep, although I think the longer you leave it the more likely other shit is to break. I guess on an older Clio engine any damage to valves is likely to render it uneconomical to repair anyway, though. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:30 ] |
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You should be able to get it compression tested fairly cheaply, which would tell you the state of the valves. |
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| Author: | JohnCoffey [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
We've got a Mini One and it's pissed me off a few times now. It's a 2008 and has only done about 30k and we only do about 3k per year in the thing. Last year however it cost us £1500. Basically the steering lock was showing an error code and no matter what I did I could not shift it. I have an OBD scanner and I already had to change all of the O2 sensors at a cost of £300 or so but the steering lock light would not go out. So, even though it was functioning perfectly (you could hear it engaging and so on) BMW charged us.. Wait for it ! £700. I tried in vain to find one but apparently the only place you can get it is BMW. Thanks to the latest laws on MOT even if your car has a error code it's an automatic fail. Even if it were something as stupid as low washer fluid (not saying it could be, just giving an example). Then the year before it needed all new tyres, cost £450. Other than that though (haha) it's a great little car and we have the 1.4l is it? so it's quick as heck too. It's also surprisingly roomy inside. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
GazChap wrote: How quickly did you shut it off when it went? From my limited research the Clios use interference engines so if the cam belt goes there's a good chance the engine has stuffed itself, but if you were quick to shut it down it might have limited the damage. I coasted to a stop about 100 yards down the road. It's not good, is it? |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
When was the last time you backed-up? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:23 ] |
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If I buy a Zafira, does that mean I've given up on life? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:26 ] |
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Yes. Buy a Jag. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:38 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Yes. Buy a Jag. Hmmm.... |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 14:13 ] |
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Studies have shown that unless you buy the V8 Jag your wife will leave you in 6.8 nanoseconds after you make the purchase. Do you want to be single? DO YOU? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 14:56 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Do you want to be single? DO YOU? Sometimes, maybe Relatedly http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... ?logcode=a |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 16:39 ] |
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Any thoughts on the ford fusion? |
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| Author: | Jem [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 16:51 ] |
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My ex has got one. That automatically makes it a car for knobs. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 17:20 ] |
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Jem wrote: My ex has got one. That automatically makes it a car for knobs. Just spat coffee out. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 17:43 ] |
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Jem wrote: My ex has got one. That automatically makes it a car for knobs. Perfect for me, then. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 18:02 ] |
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Why buy German when you could by English? Do you wish we'd lost the war? DO YOU?! Fucking Hitler lover. Buy my Jag. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 18:13 ] |
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You selling a Jag, Grim...? |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 19:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
For some reason, MrsA has never told me there is a green lane pretty much from her parents doorstep to a pub at the top of the hill. This is fucking excellent news, but less so for those that own the farm at the bottom of it. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 19:23 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Cam belt went on the Clio at 50mph on the bypass this morning. What are the odds that the engine survived?  Sorry to hear that. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 20:47 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: You selling a Jag, Grim...? Happens that I am! |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 21:40 ] |
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Did all the Pumas get offloaded? |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:34 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: Any thoughts on the ford fusion? My wife was given one as a courtesy car for a day. I teased her mercilessly. She hated it. Some of the colours available (like 'jeans' and 'tonic') are also dreadful. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:58 ] |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote: Did all the Pumas get offloaded? Team Trooper got rid of their one. The rest of us have still got ours. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:29 ] |
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Does it have room in back for 2 child seats? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:30 ] |
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The Jag? Christ yes. The Puma? Technically yes, but it's small two-door so it would be a bugger to get them in and out. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:58 ] |
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No Jag, ta. No Puma, ta. No Mountain Lion, ta. Soz. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:00 ] |
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Ford Galaxy or Citron Picasso, then. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:04 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Ford Galaxy or Citron Picasso, then. Don't forget the Zafira! |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:05 ] |
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That's not as good. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:16 ] |
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Not a fan of Citroens. That centre mounted digital speedo gives me hives. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:23 ] |
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Ford C-Max innit - can get them nicely kitted out too. I loved mine, wish I'd kept it TBH. Still see it driving around the place. The new owner is a MILF. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
"Do you come with the car?" |
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