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Author:  markg [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 14:45 ]
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Yeah, checked the fuse and relay then got my multimeter out which proved inconclusive so I even tried a direct 12V supply to the fan, nothing. Then took it to a garage where they hooked it up to a laptop and ran some software to try and spin it up that way. Pretty sure it's broken.

I'd try and take it out to see if I could fix it but I'm not sure I could and I also hate working on cars.
Author:  Mr Burrrrt [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:02 ]
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It seems to be a very complex system that controls the fan. It seemingly could be any number of things besides the fan itself. Unfortunately it seems difficult get cars fixed these day without a garage chucking parts at it until the problem goes away.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:04 ]
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Mr Burrrrt wrote:
It seems to be a very complex system that controls the fan. It seemingly could be any number of things besides the fan itself.

Not if you've put 12V across the fan terminals and it doesn't turn, surely?
Author:  markg [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:08 ]
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Yeah, what Grim... said, I'm pretty happy that it's the fan itself.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:13 ]
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Can you turn it by hand?
Author:  BikNorton [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:13 ]
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My aircon makes a squealy noise when I turn it on, and dribbles cold air out of the vents.

I don't use the aircon.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:13 ]
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The fan on my Jag won't switch off. We should merge them, somehow.
Author:  markg [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:17 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Can you turn it by hand?

Yeah, it feels fine. There's a little metal box mounted on the fan itself with fuck-knows-what gubbins inside it. I'm suspecting something in there but it could also be the motor is just plain worn out. I can't find any discussion about it anywhere, people just seem change the whole assembly.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:19 ]
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Grim... wrote:
The fan on my Jag won't switch off. We should merge them, somehow.


How are you finding it? Is it very long? WOuld it 33mpg commuting through Bradford? There's a 3l V6 for about £1k near me that I might replace the Ka with as somewhere a bit nicer to sit in for 9 minutes a day, but if it's a fag to park, I won't bother.
Author:  markg [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:28 ]
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Yeah, I can see no reason at all why a three litre V6 Jaguar isn't going to be just as economical to run and as easy to park as a Ford Ka.
Author:  Cras [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:28 ]
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MaliA wrote:
WOuld it 33mpg commuting through Bradford?.


Bwahahaha!
Author:  Trooper [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:30 ]
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Yeah, the jag is supercharged isn't it? Be lucky to break 20mpg...
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 15:46 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Grim... wrote:
The fan on my Jag won't switch off. We should merge them, somehow.

How are you finding it?
Regal!

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Is it very long?
Yes.

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WOuld it 33mpg commuting through Bradford?
HahahahaHaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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There's a 3l V6 for about £1k near me that I might replace the Ka with as somewhere a bit nicer to sit in for 9 minutes a day, but if it's a fag to park, I won't bother.
It's got beepers.
Author:  Mr Burrrrt [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 16:19 ]
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markg wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Can you turn it by hand?

Yeah, it feels fine. There's a little metal box mounted on the fan itself with fuck-knows-what gubbins inside it. I'm suspecting something in there but it could also be the motor is just plain worn out. I can't find any discussion about it anywhere, people just seem change the whole assembly.


Some apparently require some sort of signal from a control unit also as well as a 12V feed. It may not be 100% safe to assume that the fault is with the fan itself. What model and year is it Mark?
Author:  markg [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 16:23 ]
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It's an E90, 2005. There's only + - and earth going to it, though. Also the place I took it to is a specialist, they did their own diagnostics and so it's on them if they get a new fan and it still doesn't work.
Author:  Grim... [ Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:19 ]
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Gosh, the new Merc C-class is beautiful.
Author:  Grim... [ Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:31 ]
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.
Author:  markg [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:25 ]
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Yeah, it's a handsome looking thing is that.

Got the fan replaced and all is well again, the little box of gubbins on the fan is prone to getting wet inside apparently. Climate control is restored, drove home absolutely freezing just to check. That'll be the end of this spell of hot weather then.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:30 ]
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I need to get the fan problem sorted in the Jaaaaaaag. Driving a big V8 without a working temperature gauge is pretty terrifying.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:31 ]
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Hey, I've got more than 50,000 posts!
Author:  Cras [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:32 ]
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Oh yeah!
Author:  Trooper [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:44 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I need to get the fan problem sorted in the Jaaaaaaag. Driving a big V8 without a working temperature gauge is pretty terrifying.


I actually found it quite liberating when the gauge failed in the Cerb :)
Author:  BikNorton [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:01 ]
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And obviously in a modern beemer you don't get any gauges, so just trust it's all okay unless it says otherwise.

And in my case, assume it's the computer that's fucked when it does - it's still never come close to failing to turn over after telling me the battery is dead. Be nice if I could turn off the bong about needing to set the time though.

I think that's a short in the tailgate loom, same thing that means the remote locking still doesn't work and recently the rear wiper sometimes doesn't work.

I should fix that.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:29 ]
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And now I want to chop it in for this: http://www.globalcarsltd.co.uk/used-car ... 6175080880

Better get it fixed first, though.
Author:  asfish [ Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:22 ]
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I have a hire car whilst mine is in the repair shop.

Its a Vauxhall Insignia, it doesn't have a hand break just a button, its taken us 10 minutes to work out how to start and drive it!

Question, do you have to turn off the hand break via the button when driving off or does it just happen when you move off in 1st gear?

I've had it work like this but I'm worried this might be the wrong thing to do and bad for the car, last thing I want is to break a hire car.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:21 ]
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All the electric handbrake cars I've driven, the advice was just to set off and it will release automatically.
Anyway, I'd have thought a hire car was exactly the right vehicle to break.
Author:  Kern [ Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:49 ]
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I was driving a hired Insignia last weekend and wondered the same. Felt quite odd not to have a large lever to pull.
Author:  Zardoz [ Sun Jul 13, 2014 18:06 ]
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Read that as Vauxhal Vagina.
Author:  markg [ Sun Jul 13, 2014 19:40 ]
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Insignia has to be the worst car name ever. Apart from being named after an 80s range of men's toiletries it sounds like something Alan Partridge would come up with.
Author:  asfish [ Sun Jul 13, 2014 20:37 ]
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markg wrote:
Insignia has to be the worst car name ever. Apart from being named after an 80s range of men's toiletries it sounds like something Alan Partridge would come up with.


Drove to the supermarket today, miss my Skoda Octavia already
Author:  Kern [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:56 ]
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New wheels! Got myself a 2008 Chevrolet Lacetti. Not quite the blue 1952 Chevvy I always imagined I'd get to do a road trip in but I'm happy with it nonetheless.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 14:40 ]
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To the Top Gear track!
Author:  BikNorton [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 0:09 ]
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I had one of those in Tuscany. Daewoo badge.

I had a fycking WHALE of a time hooning it around the mountain roads, its limits are just right for making narrow cliff/cliff/hairpin setups brilliant fun.

Apart from when massive VW SUVs come round blind bends on the wrong side of the road, but that's not daewoos fault.
Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 0:28 ]
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Kern wrote:
New wheels! Got myself a 2008 Chevrolet Lacetti...

...and stuffed it straight into a hedge.

Congrats on the new car :)
Author:  Trooper [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:51 ]
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I've done 3000 miles in the beemer in 6 months. That's a lot of cash sitting in a car that does fuck all.

That's as good an excuse as any to swap I think ;) I fancy a manual this time, I miss changing gear.
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:56 ]
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Trooper wrote:
I've done 3000 miles in the beemer in 6 months. That's a lot of cash sitting in a car that does fuck all.

That's as good an excuse as any to swap I think ;) I fancy a manual this time, I miss changing gear.


You'll want one with a new clutch, then. And a fairly new alternator. And starter motor. In fact, luckily, I've got a Ka just for you!
Author:  Trooper [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:12 ]
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Sorry dude, I don't trust the shady seller ;)
Author:  BikNorton [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:34 ]
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Trooper wrote:
I've done 3000 miles in the beemer in 6 months. That's a lot of cash sitting in a car that does fuck all.

That's as good an excuse as any to swap I think ;) I fancy a manual this time, I miss changing gear.
ha! I've done 4000 in more than a year.

Helen's focus has done 4400 in nearly 18 months.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:41 ]
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One of th sales guys has rocked up in a C63 AMG. That's got to be some cost to do business in.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:34 ]
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I'm at Thruxton, about to drive various quick Vauxhalls around a track, probably a lot slower than they are capable of.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:43 ]
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Make sure you fall off the track in at least one of them - this is your chance to do it safely!
Author:  markg [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:46 ]
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Yeah I was going to say, they're someone else's cars, you want to be trying to go much faster than they're capable of.
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:54 ]
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markg wrote:
Yeah I was going to say, they're someone else's cars, you want to be trying to go much faster than they're capable of.

Was it you that put Jem up to this on Saturday when I took my Celica to Blyton Park? :P
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:57 ]
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Did you end up in the kitty litter?
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 13:03 ]
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Actually, no - but whereas I'm quite brakey when going around tight corners, Jem apparently isn't - and this particular tight corner was absolutely saturated in standing water so I was *convinced* that the car was going to slide off and end up way off track.

Of course, when all of said standing water flew up on to the windscreen and caused Jem to try and flick my indicators on instead of the wipers, she did have a little panic and think she was going to drive off the track with no vision :P

To say I had a "moment" would be an understatement ;) I think there are still finger imprints in the passenger door handle.

(for those not on FB who've not seen the photo of the amount of water she drove through...

Image)
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 13:04 ]
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So basically she drives faster than you and you're a big girl's blouse.

Good to know!
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 13:07 ]
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I tell first-time Tomcat drivers that if they cause me to grab the roll cage in a panic, something's about to go very wrong.

Zio managed it :)
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 13:10 ]
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Grim... wrote:
So basically she drives faster than you and you're a big girl's blouse.

Pretty much.

Although, in my defence, I've had a rather nasty experience of my Celica understeering on a very wet corner (on a public road) so I'm mightily surprised that it gave no fucks about going around this corner. Guess it's the Goodyear Eagle F1s - I was probably using the crappy tyres that came with the wheels when I had my near-miss.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Jul 22, 2014 16:38 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Did you end up in the kitty litter?


Nope. Nearly ran wide and on to the grass at Church in the Insignia as it's a big heavy lump, but other than that it was all disaster free.

It takes a bit to adapt to just how hard you can push these cars on track so took a few laps to get up to speed, but when you do it's great fun. Did 3 laps as a passenger for familiarisation, 18 laps driving, and 1 with Paul O'Neil driving who is just insane behind the wheel.

The fastest I remember seeing was 130 before breaking into the last chicane.

It only cost £35 for an hour on track plus a really nice lunch which is a bargain. I'm sure I got through more than that in tyres, brakes and fuel.
Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:51 ]
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Somehow new car is broke.

Neither key works to let us in, so used the manual key hidden in the fob to get in (in case it was the central locking) but the ignition system doesn't respond.

Hope it's just the battery discharged somehow, but we only used it the day before yesterday, and it did a loooong journey on Sunday. :(
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