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My mini was good at changing compression ratio on the fly. I mean, by quite a lot, and as a one way kind of deal.

I've got a transit that does that by spitting out it's spark plugs. Fun fun fun.

Oh, mine too. The 2.0 DOHC?


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I got stuck behind a horsebox towing a caravan once.
Still, I drove a steam engine around the North Circular, so I'll shut up now.

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Oh OK then. (whistles innocently).

Richard and his missus are secretly part of the dogging in comfort fraternity of South Wales :DD

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My mini was good at changing compression ratio on the fly. I mean, by quite a lot, and as a one way kind of deal.

I've got a transit that does that by spitting out it's spark plugs. Fun fun fun.

Oh, mine too. The 2.0 DOHC?


No, it's a 2.4, I think. And none of your fancy cam's, either.

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Oh, mine too. The 2.0 DOHC?


No, it's a 2.4, I think. And none of your fancy cam's, either.


Probably the 2.3 16 valve one, might have guessed you'd have the posh mk 6 van :)


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Nah, it's properly old - G reg, I think.
It's got the electric leather seats from a BMW M3 in, though :)

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Super unleaded won't make any difference on an old car, it's only of benefit on modern cars with clever ECUs - they can alter the timing slightly to get the best of the extra temperature stability of higher RON fuel.

Most VAGs (including my Octavia vRS) for instance are optimised for 98RON but can adapt to 95 (super gives better total-area performance, and slightly better economy). The Civic Type-R I had, despite being iVTEC, didn't give two shits, and I think my M3 would be part of the 'pistons in your face' club if I tried putting normal unleaded in it.


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My Omega V6 estate is being discarded this week in favour of a 56 plate Picasso 1.6 HDi. I'll be very sad to see the Admiral's Barge go.

Mine is to be sold in about 3 weeks. Gutted. :(

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My Omega V6 estate is being discarded this week in favour of a 56 plate Picasso 1.6 HDi. I'll be very sad to see the Admiral's Barge go.

Mine is to be sold in about 3 weeks. Gutted. :(
You have an Omega too? Awesome, aren't they? Now if only mine wasn't broken utterly, and got more than 15mpg.


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My Omega V6 estate is being discarded this week in favour of a 56 plate Picasso 1.6 HDi. I'll be very sad to see the Admiral's Barge go.

Mine is to be sold in about 3 weeks. Gutted. :(
You have an Omega too? Awesome, aren't they? Now if only mine wasn't broken utterly, and got more than 15mpg.

Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.

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Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.
Oh, I see. I am quite impressed with the Picasso in terms of sheer practicality, if nothing else. The cabin design is very thoughtful.


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Actually, despite all the fuss about leaded being withdrawn, you can still buy it. I've seen a fair few small family owned petrol stations in the countryside selling it. No it's not lead replacement stuff, it's genuine 4 star although I think it's about £1.50 a litre.


You sure?

There is a garage near me which has LRP for £1.00 a litre. I sort of suspect the fuel in that tank is about 10 years old at this point. Their only customer for it is a single Reliant Robin owner, from what I can tell.


Yep. Here's a full list of stations with proper leaded petrol:
http://www.leadedpetrol.co.uk/list.htm

There's probably more demand than you think. All those old classic cars you see driving around on a Sunday? They all run better on leaded.


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Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.

I would offer a nice 1.1l Punto, but my cousin has first dibs.

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The cabin design is very thoughtful.

You appear to be 50. Happy Birthday.

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The cabin design is very thoughtful.

You appear to be 50. Happy Birthday.
I was born a curmudgeon, and am just passing the intervening 50 years letting my physical age catch up with my mental age.


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Yep. Here's a full list of stations with proper leaded petrol:
When they passed the law semi-banning it, there was some quota-controlled number of stations -- some fraction of a percent -- that would be allowed to apply and have it

It'd be interesting to plot a graph of these service station locations around the country, mapped against demographic of the residents there. Say, by income.


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Nah, it's properly old - G reg, I think.


That's a weirdo then! They never fitted the 2.3 pinto to transits, and you reckon it's not the twincam.. Not a V6 either?

The old non-turbo diesel was a 2.4.

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If Grim... is anything like the scally racers my dad knew who put a rally engine in their Transit, I wouldn't be surprised at anything he's got in there.

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Sure, my old one had a V4 in it :D
Sacrilege to put anything other than another Ford engine in though :)


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Maybe it's just a 2.0 - I'm not super-sure, tbh. It's slow, I can tell you that :(

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It'd be interesting to plot a graph of these service station locations around the country, mapped against demographic of the residents there. Say, by income.


As I understand, people who race old cars or do time trials in them prefer leaded as well due to the higher octane rating.

From the two garages I know, they are small village garages that sell petrol as a sideline. You rarely see anyone buying petrol from them, they just sell it as a sideline to a repair business.


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Sure, my old one had a V4 in it :D
Sacrilege to put anything other than another Ford engine in though :)


It was still some kind of ford engine. it had a "warrior" head that cost £2000 or something. Apparently they found it fun to surprise people on the dual carriageways.

Optimax and Millers CVL I think is the highest "pump fuel" octane provider.

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Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.
Oh, I see. I am quite impressed with the Picasso in terms of sheer practicality, if nothing else. The cabin design is very thoughtful.

Yeah, the kids love it, I'm sure they'll miss it just as much when it's gone.

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Optimax and Millers CVL I think is the highest "pump fuel" octane provider.[/color]
Nah, BP do 102RON on the pumps down near... Silverstone, is it? Somewhere down-south-ish, anyway.


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Optimax and Millers CVL I think is the highest "pump fuel" octane provider.[/color]
Nah, BP do 102RON on the pumps down near... Silverstone, is it? Somewhere down-south-ish, anyway.


Is that in case the F1 cars get lost on the way?

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It's for proper track/tuner mentallers, for sure. £3.50 a litre or something daft Only £2.42 a litre!


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Goddess Jasmine wrote:
Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.

I would offer a nice 1.1l Punto, but my cousin has first dibs.

That's the sort of thing I'l be looking for to tide me over for a few months, but very cheaply. :)

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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?


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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?


An estate? A Corsa with the back seat down would do equally well :smug:

In fact, go by bike and get the dogs to tow you.


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Let's not have the Corsa discussion again.

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It's for proper track/tuner mentallers, for sure. £3.50 a litre or something daft Only £2.42 a litre!


If it does what it says on the tin then that's not a bad price really.

However don't fuel companies have to meddle with fuel between Summer and Winter to keep it within UK spec. With that in mind I wonder how track regulations come into force if you use it.


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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?
The serious answer to this is too long and tedious to type here. Ask me over lunch one day. I have no comedy answers.


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I have no comedy answers.


Ain't that the fucking truth. :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD


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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?


A taller car will deflect air better over the caravan.

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Ain't that the fucking truth. :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD
You wound me, sir!


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It's for proper track/tuner mentallers, for sure. £3.50 a litre or something daft Only £2.42 a litre!


If it does what it says on the tin then that's not a bad price really.

However don't fuel companies have to meddle with fuel between Summer and Winter to keep it within UK spec. With that in mind I wonder how track regulations come into force if you use it.


I had a little read of that link and it actually says on that site that motor sport mentalists should check the regulations for whatever it is that they're taking part in before filling up with the stuff.


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Random thought... Woodsport will apparently take your MR2 and put a shiny Camry V6 in it with all the work done for £2500...

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How old and knackered is the V6 if they'll do it for that little?

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How old and knackered is the V6 if they'll do it for that little?
Shall we see if they want to buy my 150k miles oil-leaking Omega?


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Or my 100k miles non-leaking Rover V8?

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Yeah, but you'd struggle to get a good engine for that price...

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Yeah, but you'd struggle to get a good engine for that price...


Maybe they get them from Japania?


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On cars, I have a 55 reg Mazda 6 TS. It's a great car, but I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I need a car that size, and given the cost of petrol etc, it may be time to downsize, as it starts needing an MOT as of October and the warranty runs out.

I paid 10K for the Mazda, and reckon I can get £7000 for it now. I'm thinking about dropping to a Focus or something (I still want a 5d of some description), but I'm wondering if it's worthwhile - am I just going to lose out on the deal?

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According to my MR2 owning colleague, Wood does good work for a good price.

Is the £2.5k if you provide the engine? Because depending on what's involved it might not be an unreasonable price at that.


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On cars, I have a 55 reg Mazda 6 TS. It's a great car, but I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I need a car that size, and given the cost of petrol etc, it may be time to downsize, as it starts needing an MOT as of October and the warranty runs out.

I paid 10K for the Mazda, and reckon I can get £7000 for it now. I'm thinking about dropping to a Focus or something (I still want a 5d of some description), but I'm wondering if it's worthwhile - am I just going to lose out on the deal?

I have the same car and was wondering the same thing. I came to the conclusion that unless I drop right down to some tiny 1.4 diesel or something any savings would probably be outweighed by the hassle of selling a faultlessly reliable car and buying another second hand one that I can't be so sure of. But then I work from home and don't actually do all that many miles anyway so your sums will probably be a bit different.


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