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Usually the same engine and same chassis, but VW are historically better at getting the best out of the engines, and significantly better at putting the interior, electrics, and drive train together.

That font of all car-based wisdom, Mr Clarkson, reckoned the Leon version of the engine was higher powered and better. As was the whole car. And cheaper. I was tempted, tbh. But then I remembered that I don't need to buy a new car.

Well I'm guessing that depends on what variant you're talking about, as it's likely that there's a Leon offering using an engine that isn't being offered in the Golf, which would make sense. Interior fittings better than a Golf though?

Also, it's a Seat. Duh.

Just buy an Atom or a Caterham 7 and be done with it. You only need two seats, anyway. And Mrs Craster would fit on your lap in the Atom. Possibly.

The Leon is also pig ugly.

Duds, you think the new Subaru is attractive so your opinion on these matters is discounted automatically.

Dudley lives in Backwards Land.

My boss had a Seat Leon Cupra-R, and he said that it was very fast and so much nicer to drive than any other car he'd driven, including his 350Z.

Did you work in a hairdressors?

A friend of Gaywood and myself had a Leon Cupra. It was brilliant, but he traded it in for the diesel version, reckoning he'd save himself a grand a year on fuel bills.

Unless he drives 25,000 miles a year like he stole it I can't see that

He used it for business travelling, and yes, I think he did!

Jez never drove anything like he stole it. He did do a lot of miles though. I doubt the diesel version saved him money as such, I think he just wanted a change. Not spoken to him in a while so I don't know what he is driving now.

http://www.mattbuildsatomcat.co.uk/just-visiting/22

OMG THE CARS!

Life size Tonkas don't really do it for me - if I was going to spend silly money on a bespoke car I'd take a 1970s Jaguar XJ-C and put all modern running gear underneath it - Supercharged 4.2 V8, brakes, suspension, chassis, window seals - the works. Beauty, reliability, coolness, comfort and speed.

After I had that I might be able to find room for Tonkas

That'd be rubbish in the mud.

As for silly money, hopefully (hopefully) this whole project will come in at about £4k.

If you overlook the fact you have to use up your Land Rover in the process.

Nope - my Range Rover cost £1,500, and is probably worth about £1k now, and included in the price. I'm overlooking the time this is all going to take.

"You can't waste my time, my time is worthless".

Can I hijack this and say I'd like a cheap reliable 6 or 7 seater that's cheap on the fuel and on the initial pocket too...

Thanks

Malc

Craster- quick question - why do you need a 5 door car? There's only ever two of you in it at a time.

For moving stuff about. The most annoying thing about having owned a 3-door was the total inability to get anything large into and out of the back seats.

Which is why a 3 door hatchback is brilliant. I was able to get massive stuff into the back of the Polo, the 206 and now the 316i, even without the fourth and fifth doors.

Hang on - by "something large", do you mean the Bo-hweemoth? I thought he only sat in the front.

Well that's screaming Zafira as the only remotely sufferable car in that price bracket. Plus the only one with a proper flex-7 style seating system you'll find if you're going very used since they invented it.

A 1.6 old shape Zafira would seem to suit you.

Which is fine for LIFO, but 5 doors are great when you realise you've accidently loaded it so you need FIFO.

Last In First Out
First In First Out

When would you ever need to get something FIFO? Unless you're running a courier service?

Maybe I just do, alright?

HA. pwned.

I'm going to set you both up your own forum, so you can bicker to your hearts' contents without inflicting it on the rest of us poor souls.

Or you could join in. It's fun! Plus, you'll always win when you're arguing with him. Because he's ALWAYS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.

No, YOU'RE wrong about everything. And you stink.

You're right - this is fun!

It always amuses me that we inevitably end up with large cars for the once in a blue fucking moon that we need the space.

I'm not sure I'd call a 5-door Fiesta a large car :0)

Next year we will be going on holiday in a Polo with two kids. I may have to buy one of those roof boxes, or a Volvo.

Yeah, you won't fit everyone in the hole in the middle.

I had a Zetec-S Fiesta (05) for a while, it was a lovely little car and the 1.6 petrol was a nice engine. I really enjoyed that car and had almost paid it off when I traded it for a Focus ST which I love to bits, but is quite expensive to run. I'm not sure how much longer we'll keep it to be honest. It's probably not worth all that much as there are tons of them about and people probably don't want high tax banded and thirsty cars at the moment.

Also, we really should sell the wife's Puma (it's the racing version if anyone cares unlikely at some point as it doesn't get used much).

We hired a Leon in Spain, dunno what size engine it was (it was a diesel) and I really liked, then we hired a 206 and I fucking hated it more than any car or van I have ever driven.

206s are the Chariots of Beelzebub. Fucking disgraceful, falling-apart pieces of shit. The 206 I owned has put me off ever buying a Peugot, or, indeed, any French car, ever again.

My 405 was lovely. Even Devilman drove it to Wales and back after just a couple of lessons, it almost felt like it drove it's self. Built like a tank too.

Craster, since you seemed to totally ignore my post about the current Honda Civic entirely out of hand YOU BIG MEANIE, I should also point out that it has rear seats that fold up so that you can use the footwell for storage, and fold down completely flat to give you more easily usable boot space. The boot is massive also. Having taken a look at some of the larger Golf variants, I can safely say the Civic is better for lugging stuff about in.

Also: my ex-missus has a 206CC. What is up with the clutches in those things?

Ooh, no - I did see it, thanks. The Civic is something I've considered, but I don't really know anything about Honda for consumer level cars. NSX and S2000, great! I just don't really know anyone who's actually ever owned a consumer-level Honda that isn't a bike.

They're normally for grannies and grandads, but with the Civic they're trying to appeal to the younger market. So the guy in the showroom told me.

You didn't notice the one outside my house, then.