At 1200 I start to want it in a box.
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| Author: | WTB [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Braid |
Eurogamer have given this apparent XBLA platformer 10/10. Unfortunately, I know little about Braid because for some (probably pretentious) reason, Eurogamer like to assume you're clued up about the latest Live Arcade release you didn't even know was coming, preferring to get straight into the reviewing. Of course, they'll always start their reviews of the latest FIFA game with a synopsis of what the game is all about and the series so far. Anyway, it's supposed to be pretty good. Who's getting it? http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=205102 |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Not me. I am absolutely drowning in games at the moment, as interesting as this looks. |
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| Author: | The Rev Owen [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I've got the points in my account, so there's a good chance I'll get it. |
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| Author: | Dudley [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I was getting it right up until the point they got greedy and sold it for 1200 points, exactly 48 hours after denying they would sell it for 1200 points. I'll play the trial but it's going to have to be GOOD. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Sounds like an ace game, I'll demo it first and maybe then reluctantly stump up the points. |
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| Author: | AceAceBaby [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
It could be made of pure sliced jesus, but I think I'm going to ban myself from buying any more games, with the sole exception of one specific one. Anyway, as with most XBLA games, if you're not playing it in the first two weeks, everyone else has stopped bothering with it so there isn't anything left to discuss. |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Ok, I'll tell you guys straight up, but this is kind of secret, so don't spread it. I will be interviewing Jonathan Blow (the dude that made Braid) on Episode 1 on the SavyGamer Podcast, airing the Friday. If there is anything anyone wants me to ask him specifically, let me know. |
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| Author: | WTB [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Why is his game so fucking expensive? |
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| Author: | Dudley [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
| At 1200 I start to want it in a box. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
The only that makes me hestitate about DLC is the lack of transferability. I can't give it away or trade it in or sell it on ebay when I'm done with it. Why can't I now convert my copy of Geometry Wars -- which I can't see myself playing again -- into a GUID code, which I can then email to a mate, who can enter it, and have my copy? I'm not using it any more. When I'm not using a disc-based game, or a DVD, or a book, or a mobile phone, or anything else I buy, I can transfer it. Why not DLC? It's technically feasible, and if we could do this I think everyone would find 1200 points a lot more palatable. If the future of games distribution is going to be digital -- and it is undeniable that the sheer effort involved intransferring bits via stamped pieces of shiny plastic is both immense and avoidable -- I think the publishers will have to address this valid concern. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
You gimp out every lunchtime Duds? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
AceAceBaby wrote: one specific one Which? |
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| Author: | Dudley [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
richardgaywood wrote: The only that makes me hestitate about DLC is the lack of transferability. I can't give it away or trade it in or sell it on ebay when I'm done with it. Why can't I now convert my copy of Geometry Wars -- which I can't see myself playing again -- into a GUID code, which I can then email to a mate, who can enter it, and have my copy? I'm not using it any more. When I'm not using a disc-based game, or a DVD, or a book, or a mobile phone, or anything else I buy, I can transfer it. Why not DLC? It's technically feasible, and if we could do this I think everyone would find 1200 points a lot more palatable. If the future of games distribution is going to be digital -- and it is undeniable that the sheer effort involved intransferring bits via stamped pieces of shiny plastic is both immense and avoidable -- I think the publishers will have to address this valid concern. Exactly, 1200 points is, officially, £10. For £10 I can get a new shrinkwrapped Forza 2. Which I can lend, I can sell, I can easily take round a mates, I have a box, I have a manual... XBLA is a glorified rental. And to accept the loss of liberty it's got to cost less. At 1200 it's crossed that line unless it's pretty much god on a stick. |
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| Author: | AceAceBaby [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Grim... wrote: AceAceBaby wrote: one specific one Which? The SimBin Race one. I didn't want to OT too much though. |
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| Author: | metalangel [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Dudley wrote: Exactly, 1200 points is, officially, £10. For £10 I can get a new shrinkwrapped Forza 2. Which I can lend, I can sell, I can easily take round a mates, I have a box, I have a manual... XBLA is a glorified rental. And to accept the loss of liberty it's got to cost less. At 1200 it's crossed that line unless it's pretty much god on a stick. Even further to all this, the (XBLA) games almost never come down in price. Arse Effect was £40 when it first came out. I bought it in Virg... er.... 'Zavvi' for £17, as it's been out the best part of a year. Yet XBLA games seem fixed, so regardless of how well or badly they do, you still pay the full price a year later that you would have upon release. |
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| Author: | Dudley [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Exactly, which is why they find themselves competing with last year's triple A boxed titles.... |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Okay, just had a very brief go of this. Impressions so far: Standard platformer Looks quite nice Has nice music Ripped off time rewind thing from PoP Jigsaws Not worth £10 |
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| Author: | metalangel [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Is it better than the best game on XBLA, Undertow? |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Yes, but it's certainly not better than Ruff and Tumble, for instance. |
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| Author: | YOG [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 13:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Maybe the demo doesn't give away much, Dimmers. Everything else I've read seems to suggest it's mindblowingly innovative with the time-rewinding, and doesn't just use it as a way for you to avoid dying. I hope they're not wrong! 
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 13:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Wow, that reviewer is a piece of work, eh? He's also clearly never seen the movie 'Groundhog Day'. |
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| Author: | Joans [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Right, I've got 1300 points left, there's supposed to be a lot of good stuff coming out over the coming weeks and this is going to eat up nearly all my points. Better be good then. Oh. It's by no means a bad game, but at 1200 points it's claiming to be one of the best things going on XBLA, and it's not. By a long way. What we seem to have is an Amiga platformer that has an added rewind function to hide the fact that it's full of unavoidable deaths. On the plus side, the trial seems to be pretty long, unfortunately, I don't feel compelled to find out how long. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Quote: And still there's more. The game never plateaus, never stops adding even more wrinkles to its temporal mischief, crafting puzzles that stretch your mind and force you to re-evaluate every assumption you ever held about how games can work. Did someone mention pretentious? |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Bobbyaro wrote: Quote: And still there's more. The game never plateaus, never stops adding even more wrinkles to its temporal mischief, crafting puzzles that stretch your mind and force you to re-evaluate every assumption you ever held about how games can work. Did someone mention pretentious? Heh. Here's an assumption: You need an electronic device to play video games. How does Braid force me to re-evaluate that? |
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| Author: | metalangel [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
That sounds like the sort of spunking tosh that was wanked out about Portal. I suppose the nature of the industry means they don't have this luxury, but it would be nice for a lot of these games to be played and then returned to after some time to see if they are still as genre-breaking paradigm-shifting everything-reevaluation-forcing as they first seemed. Because it's only with a lot of time that small but niggling flaws become truly apparent. Which explains all the 90% reviews that the original Driver got. |
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| Author: | devilman [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Joans wrote: It's by no means a bad game, but at 1200 points it's claiming to be one of the best things going on XBLA, and it's not. By a long way. What we seem to have is an Amiga platformer that has an added rewind function to hide the fact that it's full of unavoidable deaths. Sounds a bit like Fatal Rewind/Killing Game Show. |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Oh, that reminds me about what I read about Portal: Still Alive in this month's GamesTIM(!). It's exactly the same Portal that's on The Orange Box, but with an added "Challenge Mode". 
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
MetalAngel wrote: That sounds like the sort of spunking tosh that was wanked out about Portal. Portal is actually ace though.
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I bought it (hesitantly) I also agree strongly with the it's too much camp for the same reason. I don't pay less for XBLA titles because they have less content or I'll spend less time with them (Omega Five, N+, GeoWars2 are all as content rich (to me) as full price disk games.) I pay less because I lose the right to own them. But I love 2D platformers so much that I need to support them. Initially thought it was awesome, but decided to finish super paper mario first. 1 Game at a time kinda thing. Worried that rewind allows for finicky rubbish - but not seen that so far. And itis beautiful. |
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| Author: | WTB [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 16:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
10/10 though? When the cheap Geometry Wars is available and apparently a 9? |
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 17:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I'm not arguing over a score. That way lies madness. I'm not playing it any more at the minute because playing two 2D platformers at once is silly (if I can keep myseld from doing so at least) , but if it keeps the puzzles vibrant and different for the 5 - 8 hours it is supposed to take, then it's going to be worth every penny. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 17:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I'm waiting until Mr Dave tells me to buy it. He knows best. |
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| Author: | tossrStu [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 18:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Dimrill wrote: Oh, that reminds me about what I read about Portal: Still Alive in this month's GamesTIM(!). It's exactly the same Portal that's on The Orange Box, but with an added "Challenge Mode". Apparently, the new levels are already available for free download on the PC anyway. |
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 18:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Yeah it's a 3D reworking of the 2D flash levels or something. Sounds weird. And not worth it. |
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| Author: | MrD [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 18:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Quote:  "What the heck did you think time puzzles would be like?" "Are they more complex than the X button from that Epsilon game from two weeks ago? HMM?" |
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| Author: | The Rev Owen [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 19:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Got all the puzzle pieces in World 2. Love the game after being unconvinced at the beginning. It made me feel clever. But... 1,200 points. I love it, so probably will buy it, but not yet. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 20:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Zardoz wrote: I'm waiting until Mr Dave tells me to buy it. He knows best. I haven't tried it, and to be quite frank, the eurogamer review puts me off doing even that. The reviewer is just plain crap. |
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| Author: | The Rev Owen [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 20:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I thought it was a lovely review. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 21:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Shush! Mr Dave knows best. |
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| Author: | RBR2 [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 22:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Wed Aug 06, 2008 22:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
mrak wrote: I tried the demo. You can jump down a pit to collect a key and then rewind time to before you jump down the pit and you'll still have the key. ++++ NNNNNNKKKK DOES NOTS COMPUTES ++++ Things that glitter are immune to the flow of time. It's not just a game where you can rewind mistakes apparently each level uses it in a different way. One world has moving right move time forward and moving left run it in reverse. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 0:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
The Rev Owen wrote: I thought it was a lovely review. It was a lovely review if you like people who are pretentious and think that getting a new chnce to do things after death is something that is somehow new, and makes it not just a development in video games but in philosophy of life. Which it clearly isn't (in either). Which makes him a massive tool. |
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| Author: | Sheepeh [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Just tried the demo. Braid seems a lovely, lovely game. I can see myself totally enjoying the rest of the game, but 1200 points? For a downloadable, DRM'd, file? Right now, now way. It's always possible I'll crack come one rainy Sunday afternoon, but at 800 I'd have bought it right there and then. I got all the puzzle pieces in "World 2" as well. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Thing is, all of the reviews by him recently that I've read I've thought were weak... Geo Wars 2 Wherin he shows either no understanding of how online multiplayer games work as well as saying it makes another completely dissimilar game (Schizoid) redundant due to it's coop being similar. Which would possibly be vaguely forgivable if it weren't for the fact that he reviewed that game only a couple of weeks before. Attention to detail there. The latter review is quite crap, claiming you can barely see what's going on like Geometry wars, despite that particular problem being only a fraction as big on Schizoid than Geo wars. In the process managing to completely ignore whatever faults the game does have to make up some that it doesn't. Basically, if I'd just been using his reviews, I wouldn't have bought any of the games he did review. The braid review did make me actively not want to play the game - pretty much the opposite of what a review for a 'good' game is supposed to do. I did try it in the end. It's not as good as his mark suggests. Rather typically, they've hidden away some of the uglier puzzles out of the way of the demo. |
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| Author: | Malc74 [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Well, I had a go of the trial. Seemed nice enough, but (corks!) $18 nice? I don't think so... |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
One issue is that it doesn't seem like it's going to last that long. I've already completed worlds 2-5, and only 2 more puzzle pieces left for world 6. And I don't think I'm that far off getting them too. Edit: 1. Edit again: 0. Completed. |
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| Author: | Blucey [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
Blast! ended up buying it even though I was determined to not support the shitty pricing. I really like the game though. |
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| Author: | metalangel [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 20:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
richardgaywood wrote: MetalAngel wrote: That sounds like the sort of spunking tosh that was wanked out about Portal. Portal is actually ace though.Not again! Condensed version: It was good, but not THAT good. That a full half of the game wasn't entertaining challenge rooms but rather an interminable slog through the world's ugliest factory filled with improbable giant pistons sort of spoiled it - that and the entire internet thinking that 'Still Alive' was the best song ever and that jokes about Weighted Companion Cubes will make you LOL more than a monorail cat. |
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| Author: | Derek The Halls [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 20:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
I can't believe people are complaining about a new game release for the 360 costing around £10. So you can get Forza 2 brand new sealed for that but that's been out for ages and bundled with the 360 for some time. Are you not forgetting how much Forza 2 was when if first came out? That's why. For a completely new original game around £10 seems entirely reasonable. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Aug 07, 2008 20:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Braid |
However, I do feel cheated at spending £10 on a game, only for it to last about 5 hours. I did like the end though... very clever. |
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