Be Excellent To Each Other

And in the game.

My arm hurts and I still haven't beaten your Javelin score.

Haha! Finally, something I'm good at.

Waggling. Who'd have thought it?

23 months on Dead Rising!

That's going to beat anything I've done, as I've only had my 360 for 11 months.

Wait, the NEW Leisure Suit Larry? We've found the one person that liked it.

That's pretty much heresy in gaming form, The first 4 or so? Classics.

*shudder*.

Yes, that's the new one, that didn't involve the original creator.

Those of us older than we'll admit will remember this instead...

LLLLL is the best, IMO.

There've been about 6 (possibly more) Leisure Suit Larry games, Shin. Magna Cum Laude was fucking awful.

Let's use the power of memory!

Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
Leisure Suit Larry 2 (on a tropical island, before it got all developed in the third one)
Leisure Larry 3: Passionate Patti in Pursuit of the Pulsating Pectorals.
Leisure Suit Larry 5
Leisure Suit Larry 6 (love for sail?)

Unfortunately, the games degenerated from a humorous look at 80s promiscuity to pubescent sex jokes (wow, bewbs!!!111). And for some reason Larry turned from a normal human to a cartoonish dwarf with a giant head and a nose transplant from Bob Hope.

I suspect it may have been a better game if you hadn't played the 6 previous games (confusingly numbered 1,2,3,5,6 and 7) and weren't annoyed the dumped the guy who created them.

You'd probably like the originals Shin, assuming you take into account they're up to 20 years old now.

Also Metal, love for sail was number 7 I think. 5 was "Passionate Patty does a little undercover work".

As I said, LLLLL is the best, IMO.

So, we're having a discussion about which Leisure Suit Larry game was best? I know it's been quiet recently, but has it really come to this?
All I remember about the second one was going miles through it only to discover I needed something I should have picked up at the start of the game.
Sierra adventure games were utter shit.

http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3337462 ... Collection)&source=5063&engine=froogle_videogames&keyword=Leisure+Suit+Larry+Collection+(Classic+Collection)+(PC)

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FTFY.

You know what, I can't argue with that.

You can get Mario Kart for the Wii, both in the original Nintendo 64 version and the new "Mario Kart Wii" version. You can also get it for the DS, of course.

You know you two aren't going to have anything to talk about tonight if you carry on in this manner?

*cue jokes about not having time to talk*

What you need is a SNES.

No, he's right, they were. Examples of needing an item you had no indication you should have picked up earlier:

Space Quest 2, the Labion Terror Beast whistle. You needed the order form from your locker (on the second screen in!) to put into the mailbox (on the tenth screen) to obtain the whistle. Otherwise, a large number of hours, several very difficult insta-death sequences later, you'd come across a rock that you couldn't get past. You needed to blow the whistle to summon the Taz-esque beast who'd grind through it.

Codename Iceman, the microfilm. In order to get this, you needed to pull the girl in the hotel bar at the beginning. The following day, after you've had the holy trinity off her, you needed to spot the ONE PIXEL flashing on the ground that was her dropped earring. Which contains a microfilm. Which later on you were able to read with a microfilm reader to obtain part of a vital combination to a briefcase or safe or something.

Codename Iceman, the ID card. When you visit the Pentagon, an overzealous security guard takes your ID card off you. When you leave the briefing, you need to remember to ask for it back. You also need to remember to check it, as he accidentally gives you the wrong one. And naturally, several hours of play later you'll need to insert the card into something to access some crucial info.

Codename Iceman, cycling the weapons equipment. You are given ONE chance to explore the sub before the story takes over and puts you into battle. During this time, you need to visit the torpedo room and 'cycle the equipment'. This causes the utterly ridiculous automatic weapon loading equipment to break (a large claw places a torpedo or missile atop a conveyor belt, which then rolls it into the tube) and you need to dredge up all your memories of metal shop class to make accurate measurements and use the various power tools in the sub's huge machine shop to make a new cylinder and cotter pin to repair the conveyor belt. As otherwise, when you encounter the Russian destroyer, you try to fire your weapons and THEN the equipment breaks, and you die.

Codename Iceman, the diver. You have a diving vehicle (you wear scuba equipment, and it propels you). Unless you think to test it before leaving the sub on your secret mission (and, in all honesty, the episode with the weapons system should have warned you) you'll not notice the vibration until you're out at sea, and the propellor falls off.

Police Quest, the nightstick. Unless you think to look around your car and realize that your department keeps the nightstick with the patrol car, in a holder on the door, you'll get kicked in by the bikers in the biker bar as you have no means of defending yourself (your gun isn't allowed as a solution)

Police Quest 2, resighting your gun. During the siege on the motel, you are nearly killed by a boobytrapped door. Jumping out of the way, you whack your gun on the wall and knock the sight out of alignment (you needed to have painstakingly sighted the gun earlier in the game or you'd be killed in a gun battle). You need to realize the gun's sights are off and go resight them before going to the airport for your flight to Steelton. Otherwise, when the Ey-rab hijackers take over, you won't be able to shoot them dead (even though they're three feet away).

The Adventures of Maddog Williams was good though, right???

I wasn't saying he was wrong

Bah!

I remember the fury of Police Quest 2 having to do all the forensic stuff with a fucking parser, not to mention the fact that your field kit was too big to carry with you so you had to take it in and out of the trunk at every location. Which was OPEN TRUNK, GET KIT, CLOSE TRUNK. No wonder I can type so bloody fast... in the old AGI Sierra adventures, the game didn't even pause while you were typing. In fact, the last bit of Space Quest 2 was almost a test of how fast you could type as if you were lucky you could get into the escape pod before the robot killed you.

Well, they certainly aren't as fondly remembered as the Lucasarts point and click adventures, are they?

No, I don't think they are. Or are they?

I played a lot of them a long time before I saw a lucasarts game and completely Space quest 2/3, the first three LLs, Police Quest 2 and several King's Quests with my dad around the ages of 10-15.

So yeah, I remember them more fondly because I didn't really discover the LucasARTS games till after this.

I was a latecomer to the PC scene, so my first experience of all things graphical-adventure related was on the amiga.
After playing Secret of Monkey Island, the early Sierra games didn't compare too favourably.

If memory serves me right, the early sierra games were just straight ports of the pc games and so they looked like total shit (not that I have a problem with that, but guiding stick men around the screen and typing stuff in was something I'd tried to leave behind by then) and then suddenly the PC overtook the amiga in capability and you were left with shoddy ports.

A quick look on the ScummVM page shows that it runs a lot of the old sierra games as well, but, unlike the lucasarts stuff, they're not something I want to relive.

Not that I have ever been able to tell. Although it's possible that a pocket of retrogamers across the Atlantic might. Sadly.

Changing the topic slightly, anyone know which was the first point'n'click adventure?

Wasn't it Maniac Mansion? Might have been Day of the Tentacle.

I'm barking up the wrong tree, aren't I? I bet it's not even LucasArts.

It depends how point and click is point and click.

You can complete Maniac Mansion without ever touching a mouse I believe, but it's an option in Sierra games older than that...

But whatever it is, it's got to be older than both I'd imagine.

King's Quest 1 I'm pretty certain allowed you to move with a mouse (but still type actions), and that's 1984.

Day of the Tentacle was the follow up to Maniac Mansion, so it would be MM if it's either of those 2.
Maniac Mansion is so old it came out on the C64 (although I'm pretty sure you needed a disk drive to play it).

Some of the earlier Sierra stuff probably pre-dates it, but they weren't really true point-and-click at the time.

Wikipedia says Deja-Vu

Edit - Dudley, I personally would define point and click as being that you could play the whole game with the mouse, so the games where you still had to type stuff don't really count.

Like I say, you don't NEED a mouse for MM. Regardless it was 1987.

Deja-Vu seems to win as the first one completable entirely with a mouse.

I know that DotT was the follow-up to MM, but I couldn't remember if MM was point and click or not...

T'was.

Although LucasARTS made Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders, Loom , 2 Indy games and 2 Monkey Island games between MM and DOTT so it's REALLY not that

Was DOTT after the first two MI games? Blimey.

By a considerably long way, I'd have said.

Edit - wiki says
MI - 1990
MI2 - 1991
DOTT - 1993

For some reason I thought it was before. I have no idea why.

They even made Fate of Atlantis between MI2 and DOTT.

ALL RIGHT, ENOUGH.

They probably had a cup of tea between them too.

They did, it took them a while aswell because they tried to make it with a rubber chicken.

I had the LSL boxed set thing for the PC a few years back and the remake of the first one is good and I think it was 5 or 6. Once they'd changed the games so that they were more like the Lucasarts ones and you couldn't get stuck, they were far more fun to play. On LSL2 I got as far as the cruise ship before realising I was missing an important item and just stopped playing it there. Unfortunately I let someone borrow the LSL games and I never saw them again. I'd have chased them up on it if I'd remembered who it was who'd actually borrowed it.

That Police Quest stuff with realigning the gun was tedious. 'He's right in front of me. I don't need the bloody sights aligned to hit him!' PQ4 (I think - one with the digitised graphics and starts by finding a couple of bodies in an alley) was good till I got utterly stuck on it.

Shadowgate! I had that on the Amiga. It was rather tedious.