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Author:  GazChap [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:24 ]
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I'd have enough trouble just figuring out where the bloody course was, let alone be able to fly around it.

Author:  Jem [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:44 ]
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Olly has asked for a remote control car for Christmas. Anyone got any recommendations for one that's going to be easy enough for a 4 year old to use, sturdy enough that it won't break the first time he smashes it into a wall, and cheap enough that I won't have to remortgage my house to buy it?

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:48 ]
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Would it be for indoor / outdoor use, Jem?

These are pretty good for little folk:

https://www.wirelessmadness.com/carrera ... r-ca162060

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSiPq02KV-E

No good if you want to use on grass etc though.

Edit: There's another one they do that's a bit more suitable for rougher ground, cheaper too:
http://www.toysrus.co.uk/toys/nintendo- ... 0wodjbgPPQ

Author:  Jem [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:43 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Would it be for indoor / outdoor use, Jem?

These are pretty good for little folk:

https://www.wirelessmadness.com/carrera ... r-ca162060

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSiPq02KV-E

No good if you want to use on grass etc though.

Edit: There's another one they do that's a bit more suitable for rougher ground, cheaper too:
http://www.toysrus.co.uk/toys/nintendo- ... 0wodjbgPPQ


Brilliant, that's perfect. Cheers :kiss:

Author:  markg [ Tue Dec 06, 2016 14:29 ]
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Definitely going to try making one of these 3D printed planes:

https://3dlabprint.com/shop/zivko-edge- ... h-replica/

Author:  markg [ Wed Dec 28, 2016 13:08 ]
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My 3D printed P38 is coming along well. It really is just like building a massive Airfix kit:

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Quite satisfying to have made it all from scratch, ok so a robot did most of the work. But I had to tell it what to do and swear when I told it the wrong things so it still counts.

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:56 ]
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All the parts are now printed so I started doing a bit of work with some silver car wheel paint from a rattle can and then just a brush and some acrylics:

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Got most of the bits to fit inside, it needs a lot of gubbins to fly this one, though. Two motors, two batteries, two ESCs, possibly two receivers, three servoless retracts and nine servos. Should keep me busy for a few evenings.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:33 ]
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Looking good!

Why might it need two receivers?

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:37 ]
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He's set it up using twelve channels which would mean using two Frsky Rxs linked together or at least some sort of SBUS device. There's two servos for rudder, two for elevator, two for the flaps, two ailerons, throttle and the three retracts. Although I'm not sure why he's not just used a y-lead for some of these. It should really only need six channels.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:48 ]
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Ah right.

Yeah, I imagine it'd be much simpler (and cheaper) to set up with Y leads, if there's enough internal space down the inside of the booms.

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:01 ]
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I think though that you would need to reverse some of the servos, which you can do by opening them up and swapping some wires around. I dunno it's a faff either way, just depends if you prefer faffing around programming a radio or with a soldering iron.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:04 ]
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markg wrote:
I think though that you would need to reverse some of the servos, which you can do by opening them up and swapping some wires around. I dunno it's a faff either way, just depends if you prefer faffing around programming a radio or with a soldering iron.

[possible stupid question alert]
Couldn't you turn them upside down?

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:11 ]
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No it's a very sensible question because that's exactly what you'd normally do and I might still be able do that. But from what I've seen the way this is designed the printed bowden type pushrod runs don't really make that very easy at all. If it was balsa or foam you'd just hack bits out and make it work but this type of construction makes that sort of thing less easy.

I guess he didn't fancy making two separate files for the left and right fuselages but rather just mirrored them or maybe he only realised after he'd finished. There are one or two very minor areas where it's apparent that although he's a brilliantly talented CAD engineer he is perhaps less experienced with building RC stuff.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:20 ]
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Turn the entire fuselage section upside down ;)

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Jan 12, 2017 23:30 ]
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First flight of the year (after first crash of the year).



Not sure how I missed the post at 1:12 :D

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 0:54 ]
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Goes a fair old clip!

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:03 ]
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Yeah, feels very fast flying them FPV.

Hard to keep up with Mark at times because he fitted a lag switch to mine.

Author:  GazChap [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:18 ]
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That's the only thing that annoys me about the Phantom 4 I've got - in "Sport" mode it's capable of speeds of 44mph, but the horizon always stays level in the video view thanks to the gimbal, so it doesn't "feel" right.

Doesn't seem to be a way of turning it off either.

Author:  markg [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:32 ]
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Could you do it manually by unplugging the motors and mechanically fixing it somehow? Either way I'm not sure I'd want to risk stuffing a Phantom 4. These little things take some terrible abuse and normally just bust a prop if that. Just sell it and buy a mini quad, they're loads more fun.

Just been watching my video from that morning, still had my camera rolling for when Z crashed his mini quad into the ground and his subsequent analysis of what went wrong, "I went too low". Yup :DD

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:37 ]
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Didn't help that the ground was high either.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:46 ]
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They're insanely tough. I've dropped mine from great heights and speeds I've stacked mine from and been able to fly again within minutes* is brilliant.

Best toy ever.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:58 ]
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GazChap wrote:
That's the only thing that annoys me about the Phantom 4 I've got - in "Sport" mode it's capable of speeds of 44mph, but the horizon always stays level in the video view thanks to the gimbal, so it doesn't "feel" right.

Doesn't seem to be a way of turning it off either.

Glue.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 20:53 ]
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Replacement canopy for Vampire ordered. I'll use the base of my current cracked one to add an FPV camera and VTX. :S :metul:

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:53 ]
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I'm going to print out another canopy for the P38 to put a camera on and maybe FPV kit later if it's not too tricky to fly.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:31 ]
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Have you thought of a decent place to take off from?

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:37 ]
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The beach. Might get away with the college though. The main wheels are really big it's just the nose wheel that's a bit tiny. I've propped it for thrust with some big 10x5s rather than top speed to begin with though so it should get off the ground fairly quick.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:50 ]
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Be nice FPVing through the rugby posts with the Lightning and Vampire.

In fact, it would be sick.

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:01 ]
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You need a Zero of some description. We could go to the boating lake when they're out with their model boats and reenact Pearl Harbour.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:07 ]
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Yeah, the model boaters would love that. If I was going to buy another scaler it would be a Zero.

Or maybe the new Durafly 109.

Or that EDF A-10.

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:02 ]
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I'm looking at Zeros. Again.

http://www.banggood.com/HSD-Zero-Fighte ... ent=227736

Author:  markg [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:06 ]
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Put it towards a 3D printer, it's the gift (to yourself) that keeps on giving (to you).

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:16 ]
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Yeah, that's my plan.

Author:  markg [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 15:29 ]
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I want one of these:



If there's a 300cc engine anywhere that sounds better than that I'd love to hear it. Four cylinder inline. Only five grand that engine too!

That would definitely wake them up in the houses at the edge of the field where we normally fly.

Author:  Zardoz [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 19:29 ]
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Ordered.

Author:  Zardoz [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 19:32 ]
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And a few tubes of gorilla glue.

Author:  Zardoz [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 23:57 ]
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Mini Sky hunter fixed and rudderless.

If it crashes again tomorrow I'll be fucking flummoxed.

Author:  Zardoz [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:14 ]
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Woo yeah, Mini Sky Hunter success!

Crash landed my Vampire though :DD

Sounded good in the air with the new fan though.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Feb 20, 2017 18:13 ]
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The Grimlet has decreed he wants a drone for his birthday.

What should I buy that's
a) indestructible (or at least easy to repair)
b) can basically fly itself
c) can fit a camera (I have a Go pro)
d) not going to cost me all the money

Author:  markg [ Mon Feb 20, 2017 18:15 ]
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The GoPro requirement elevates it out of the toy category. A used phantom might fit the bill, gazchap was selling one a while ago.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Feb 20, 2017 18:18 ]
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Oh. Fuck that noise, then.

Let's pretend I never said that.

Author:  markg [ Mon Feb 20, 2017 18:22 ]
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How much money do you want to spend then?

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Feb 20, 2017 18:25 ]
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£100, maybe? £150 at a stretch?

Author:  GazChap [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 0:04 ]
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I've still got my original Phantom which will fit a GoPro 3 (I think it's the 3) which I'll sell for £100+p&p? Should be fine with a fresh battery (and you'll need to get a lipo balance charger as I don't have the one that came with it any more I don't think) and it has uprated motors.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 0:32 ]
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My child is a clumsy Mofo. Is he going to crash it within seconds?

Author:  GazChap [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:20 ]
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Grim... wrote:
My child is a clumsy Mofo. Is he going to crash it within seconds?

Probably.

It still worked after it crashed at ~20mph into a rock face though, so should be good ;)

Author:  markg [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:11 ]
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How old is he Grim...?

Definitely wouldn't let a kid loose with something like a DJI Phantom unless they're old enough that you're happy for them to use power tools and things like that.

If you're going to be with him though then you could have loads of fun with it, you'll not get anything even close to that good for that sort of money. Just make sure you RTFM first, like gazchap didn't.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:05 ]
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He'll be 9.

I think something a little more child-friendly (and onlooker-friendly) might be wise.

Thanks anyway though, Gaz!

Author:  GazChap [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:07 ]
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Ah yeah, thought he was a bit older than that. Not really a 9 year old's thing.

Author:  markg [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:21 ]
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To be honest there's any number out there now at this sort of price but they're not something I've got any personal experience of.

This one looks ok, though:

http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX-35- ... s=category

It has a camera on board and even FPV built in, it also has altitude hold so although it lacks the full GPS return to home sort of functions it should be easy to fly.

Quadcopters are really simple devices mechanically and basic control boards are fairly well established and generic so they pretty much all fly ok these days.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:32 ]
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Excellent, thanks! I shall confer with Head Office.

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