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Author:  Cras [ Fri Feb 02, 2018 21:40 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
30 minutes in. So far it’s good! And a very faithful adaptation.


Helo!

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 02, 2018 21:44 ]
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Yes! And with a pretty good accent, too!

Author:  Cras [ Fri Feb 02, 2018 21:58 ]
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Ep1 was pretty good.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Feb 03, 2018 0:24 ]
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Well, whatever you may not like about this (and three episodes in I am still not convinced by Kinnamen) you’d have to admit the production values are amazing. Expenses have not been spared. And I don’t mean it’s a surface sheen of SFX — I mean the bone-deep visual design and world-building is superb.

Author:  Cras [ Sat Feb 03, 2018 0:55 ]
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I think Kinnaman nails the character they're portraying in this adaptation. Whether that's the Kovacs in people's heads is different.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:35 ]
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I've not seen this but I love kinnaman for his role in the killing. A very endearing presence.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun Feb 04, 2018 21:03 ]
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Cras wrote:
I think Kinnaman nails the character they're portraying in this adaptation. Whether that's the Kovacs in people's heads is different.



Hello

Author:  Mimi [ Sun Feb 04, 2018 21:06 ]
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Is this where your username is from, Kiev?

Author:  Mimi [ Sun Feb 04, 2018 21:07 ]
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Hahaha, Kov!

Author:  MaliA [ Sun Feb 04, 2018 21:28 ]
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Episode One was awesome.
I haven't read book.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun Feb 04, 2018 23:10 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Is this where your username is from, Kiev?


Da....

Author:  Mimi [ Sun Feb 04, 2018 23:18 ]
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...vid?

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 0:27 ]
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Sorry was trying to put yes In Russian.

Yes Mimi, I got my name from the book.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 0:29 ]
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Which book?

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 0:38 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Which book?


Woken furies.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:25 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Episode One was awesome.
I haven't read book.

Fix that.

Author:  Squirt [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:40 ]
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Question: I've seen the first epsiode of this, and liked it. Should I:

a.) Stop watching and read the book first?
b.) Finish watching and then read the book?
c.) Jeez dude, stop being such a nerd about it and just get on with it.

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:56 ]
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c: :P

Author:  Cras [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 22:23 ]
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EP 5

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Fuuuck, the weapon that guy uses on Ortega in the lift is nasty. Just rips out chunks of flesh.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 22:30 ]
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This is really fucking good.

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Feb 05, 2018 23:16 ]
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Cras wrote:
This is really fucking good.


:this:

Up to 6... I need to find 4 hours to finish it :P

Author:  Cras [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 0:59 ]
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EP 6

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Sierra!

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:34 ]
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Six episodes in. Book spoilers:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
I'm starting to think they're going to change the ending, because they haven't foreshadowed the Rawlings virus strike yet. Unless it's going to happen in the next episode, which appears to be an extended flashback to the Quellist Rebellion, so maybe we'll see it there. The cast list says one of the unnamed Envoys in the flashbacks is Jimmy DeSoto, which suggests he may meet the same fate as he does in the book.


I have reservations (more on those when I finish the show) but I am enjoying it.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:37 ]
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Mmmmmm, 's alright.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:41 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Mmmmmm, 's alright.

such detail, so exacting, wow

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:47 ]
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:shrug:

It's... ok. The world building is great, I particularly like the Raven and Poe, but a lot of the characterisation is a bit one dimensional (althogh to be fair the underlying source material, while ace, was partially "teenage boy" in its approach and aethetics) and wall of flesh actor person being Kovacs is not exactly a big bundle of charisma.

And oh my god the cop - her overacting is painful.

Still, I'm only on Ep 4.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:49 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Mmmmmm, 's alright.

such detail, so exacting, wow

Also, I'm not getting paid for this. Chuck me cash and I'll perform.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:52 ]
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So it's not great then. Good to know

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:52 ]
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I don't mind the characters being trope-heavy -- this is noir, after all. I strongly agree about Kinnamen though. I much prefer the guy playing

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
OG Kovacs


None of these people can hold a candle to Tatiana Maslany in the "playing different characters who look the same" stakes.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 14:54 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
So it's not great then. Good to know

It's not going to win over people who don't like this kind of thing. Kinnamen is a bit weak and its very, very densely packed, to the point where I'm sure it's put a lot of people off. I'm enjoying it a lot, however, because cyberpunk technoir is extremely on-brand for me, and I love the book, and there's plenty in the adaptation that is good.

Author:  asfish [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:02 ]
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Looking forward to this, its not my wifes cup of tea so would never get around to watching it as we are lucky to get one episode of TV watched a night before our baby wakes up and ends the adult time.

However she is going to Dublin for a week with the kids Saturday, so this and S2 of Stranger things will be binged.

Never read the book, think thats a good thing as I read all the Preacher commics and never really got into the TV Show.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:02 ]
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying it, and I'm going to continue watching it until the end even in preference to Friends Series 2. I love scifi and cyberpunk and noir, and any admixture of any two or more of the foregoing. And the production values in particular put it well ahead of the new Star Trek series for sci fi fun times.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:03 ]
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Star Trek Disco is brilliant though.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:05 ]
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Mmmmm, s'alright.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:09 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Mmmmm, s'alright.

For me the first two episodes were mmm, all right. Then it went WHOA, then there was a boring episode where Saru got brainwashed, then it built up to the mid-season finale which was WTF and now each episode since it came back has outdone itself for WOW moments.

So yeah, I like it.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:10 ]
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I'm on Ep 4, but will continue to keep going with it, but it does have moments of "yeah that's clearly a studio with a flat floor", much in common with previous Star Trek serieseses.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:12 ]
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Wow, wish I was still only on ep4.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:13 ]
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Also the Klingon makeup is woeful.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:14 ]
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I'm up to date with Discovery and I don't like it as much as I like Altered Carbon.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:15 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Also the Klingon makeup is woeful.

As in not to your aesthetic taste or poorly applied?

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:15 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I'm up to date with Discovery and I don't like it as much as I like Altered Carbon.

I wish you'd make up your mind

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:17 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Also the Klingon makeup is woeful.

As in not to your aesthetics or poorly applied?

Both, I think. For instance, the Big Bad Chosen One in Ep 1 and 2 looked like someone with sparkly body paint on - it was embarrassing. But also, the Klingon forehead is not there. None of these guys or gals look like they're related to Wharff.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:18 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Also the Klingon makeup is woeful.

As in not to your aesthetics or poorly applied?

Both, I think. For instance, the Big Bad Chosen One in Ep 1 and 2 looked like someone with sparkly body paint on - it was embarrassing. But also, the Klingon forehead is not there. None of these guys or gals look like they're related to Wharff.

Worf* doesn't look like he's related to anyone in TOS either. And the reboot films are different again. You seriously think Cornish pasty foreheads are the definitive Klingon look?

Author:  devilman [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:19 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
So it's not great then. Good to know

It's not going to win over people who don't like this kind of thing. Kinnamen is a bit weak and its very, very densely packed, to the point where I'm sure it's put a lot of people off. I'm enjoying it a lot, however, because cyberpunk technoir is extremely on-brand for me, and I love the book, and there's plenty in the adaptation that is good.


I'm probably one of those people. I'd not heard of the book, so everything in the trailer was new to me. If it had been a film, rather than a series, I'd have probably given it a go.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:20 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I'm up to date with Discovery and I don't like it as much as I like Altered Carbon.

I wish you'd make up your mind

Subjectively I am enjoying Altered Carbon but I can concede that objectively it has flaws that others might find more bothersome than I do.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:21 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Also the Klingon makeup is woeful.

As in not to your aesthetics or poorly applied?

Both, I think. For instance, the Big Bad Chosen One in Ep 1 and 2 looked like someone with sparkly body paint on - it was embarrassing. But also, the Klingon forehead is not there. None of these guys or gals look like they're related to Wharff.

Worf* doesn't look like he's related to anyone in TOS either. And the reboot films are different again. You seriously think Cornish pasty foreheads are the definitive Klingon look?

No, but this isn't it. It looks painfully, transparently like makeup. That's the problem.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:21 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I'm up to date with Discovery and I don't like it as much as I like Altered Carbon.

I wish you'd make up your mind

Subjectively I am enjoying Altered Carbon but I can concede that objectively it has flaws that others might find more bothersome than I do.

I am the least-critical person I know when it comes to watching science fiction, at least on first watching. It's got to be terrible for me to switch off.

Author:  myp [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:24 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Also the Klingon makeup is woeful.

As in not to your aesthetics or poorly applied?

Both, I think. For instance, the Big Bad Chosen One in Ep 1 and 2 looked like someone with sparkly body paint on - it was embarrassing. But also, the Klingon forehead is not there. None of these guys or gals look like they're related to Wharff.

Worf* doesn't look like he's related to anyone in TOS either. And the reboot films are different again. You seriously think Cornish pasty foreheads are the definitive Klingon look?

No, but this isn't it. It looks painfully, transparently like makeup. That's the problem.

Fair enough - I think they look great. Watching whole scenes acted in Klingon was more painful to me, but luckily that doesn't happen much outside of the first couple of episodes.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:24 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
So it's not great then. Good to know

It's not going to win over people who don't like this kind of thing. Kinnamen is a bit weak and its very, very densely packed, to the point where I'm sure it's put a lot of people off. I'm enjoying it a lot, however, because cyberpunk technoir is extremely on-brand for me, and I love the book, and there's plenty in the adaptation that is good.


I completely disagree on Kinnamen. Other than one section
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
the virtual torture
I think he nails the role.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Feb 07, 2018 15:26 ]
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No, I think he was passable there. He's still unimpressive overall.

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