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 Post subject: The afterlife and ITC.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 17:58 
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I've been thinking about posting this for a while now. Just needed time to really think about what I was going to write.

Now I've never really been a believer in god. Especially as if there is one he let some pretty shit things happen to me so far. I was raised to believe in god though, but soon gave up once the bad stuff started happening. Of course at first I asked him for help but nothing came.

I never really thought much about it in the years after that. Of course, I still speak to my father on a regular basis (even though he's been dead since I was 7) because I found it a good coping strategy. Here I am 37 years later and I still do that. But any way, I digress...

My now ex wife's father died about two years ago. To say she took it badly would probably be the understatement of the year. Any way, she kinda lost her marbles after that and things were never the same. She was determined to start doing research ETC and ended up stumbling upon ITC one day. Without going into tons of frankly quite boring information there are numerous ways you can do this. But, I will explain the logic behind hers.

You need a laptop/PC anything that can play a MP3 or WAV. You then need a player for that, and a MIC and recorder. Now the way she was doing it was using what is known as a "gibberish" file. Basically they come in various shapes or forms, but you usually use one that is not in your language and therefore if anything does "come through" it will be unmistakable. So my ex used to use a Portuguese gibberish file (IE all in the native tongue of the Portuguese) but also reversed using Audacity. So this was pure, unadulterated gibberish.

Now for the most part she would lock herself in the bedroom for around 11 hours a day doing this shit, and I had no choice but to basically just let her get on with it (she becomes terribly angry and abusive when you stop her doing exactly what she wants, hence why we are not married any more) but yeah, I used to just laugh when I thought about it.

Any way, she reckoned she had contacted this "team" on the other side. It is led by a guy known as Monty, or to the great unwashed Montague Keen.

http://www.montaguekeen.com/page127.html

Who died in 2004. From the waffle that my wife used to push into my ears (forcibly, as I really wasn't interested) he was one of the biggest ITC researchers ever.

OK, so after a few days she starts getting these messages. I would be forced into listening to them before I went to bed (even though I totally wasn't interested) and some of them were pretty clear. Some of them, however, I could not make out at all. She reckons she could, but whatever.

And then it happened. She said that Monty had told her she wasn't good enough for the project (because of her past, I am not going into that but it's all on her!) and therefore they would not work with her. Of course then she flew into a mood and became physically abusive toward me. At first I just shrugged it off, then one day she punched me in the stomach. That was about two weeks before I threw her out (literally and physically) however, she then claimed (because she still thought I was interested) that she could no longer contact "Monty" but instead was getting to people who were horrible and nasty. Again I just figured she had completely lost her mind, then I sit down and listen to one (forcibly again).

She begins asking if there is any one to speak to that day. All of a sudden this voice, in English, as clear as a bell says "F**k off you c**t!". From that moment on I was convinced. I mean, she had some good stuff before that but I had never heard anything so clear and so concise.

Then recently I noticed an article about DNA. And how it was pretty much instructions, and how they must have been made by some one...

It hasn't really made a difference. If any one ever asked me about religion and god I would just say how I felt, IE "I believe there is a higher power out there somewhere that created all of this" but that was where I would stop.

So what are your feelings on this? I know it's a pretty touchy subject and the nihilists will just discount it but I'm not deaf.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 18:27 
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It sounds like nonsense to me. Like people hearing hidden messages in records played backwards etc. If you mangle up human voices and listen to it long enough then you'll hear them saying all sorts of things.


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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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markg wrote:
It sounds like nonsense to me. Like people hearing hidden messages in records played backwards etc. If you mangle up human voices and listen to it long enough then you'll hear them saying all sorts of things.


Apparently the people "on the other side" can manipulate the sound file to make words. And that is how it works and why if you ever get anything legible then you know it didn't come from the gibberish file.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 18:38 
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markg wrote:
It sounds like nonsense to me. Like people hearing hidden messages in records played backwards etc. If you mangle up human voices and listen to it long enough then you'll hear them saying all sorts of things.

Similar to Mark, I’d say it was likely due to the fact that humans are programmed (and not in the DNA instruction manual way, but due to being intelligent and seeking to make sense of the world) to spot patterns in the world, especially those that reflect humanity in appearance, sound, etc. So shadows look like people, craggy rocks look like faces, and a jumble of sounds will sometimes throw up a combination that our minds will shape as speech.

I’m not a nihilist (which I think was a bit of a jump) but would still discount this as meaningful due to the widely accepted phenomena of seeing patterns when we try to make sense of things, something that is heightened in times of stress and grief. It sounds as if you were both going through a stressful time, your ex with the death and you with the relationship.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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markg wrote:
It sounds like nonsense to me. Like people hearing hidden messages in records played backwards etc. If you mangle up human voices and listen to it long enough then you'll hear them saying all sorts of things.


Apparently the people "on the other side" can manipulate the sound file to make words. And that is how it works and why if you ever get anything legible then you know it didn't come from the gibberish file.


I think if they were that technologically able they’d just be on Twitter or something?

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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Yeah, with the best will in the world, if you sit listening for voices for 11 hours a day, you'll hear them eventually. I'm sorry that you and your ex-wife went through such a rough time, but I'm a long way from convinced about ITC.


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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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what is ITC?

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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Why on earth would people 'on the other side', if capable of changing 1s and 0s in an audio file to create words hours into a garbage audio file, not just change 1s and 0s in a text file to say what they want? Infinitely easier and better.

So ignoring the question of whether there is another side with people there trying to communicate, it's not just that the possibility of them doing so is ludicrous, it's that the method is ludicrous.

Sadly I very much agree with others that it's delusion born of obsession - and an idea propagated by those who seek to profit either by publicity or direct gain, just like mediums. So sorry for what your ex-wife went through.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Then recently I noticed an article about DNA. And how it was pretty much instructions, and how they must have been made by some one...

I did a degree in biochemistry with specialisation in molecular genetics...

If DNA was designed as instructions, the designer was drunk, forgetful and generally incompetent.

Yes its instructions in terms of what codes proteins and signal blocks for expression and it usually works, but it's a hugely faulty mess for something designed.


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Mr Dave wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Then recently I noticed an article about DNA. And how it was pretty much instructions, and how they must have been made by some one...

I did a degree in biochemistry with specialisation in molecular genetics...

If DNA was designed as instructions, the designer was drunk, forgetful and generally incompetent.

Yes its instructions in terms of what codes proteins and signal blocks for expression and it usually works, but it's a hugely faulty mess for something designed.


and going back to your assassin ancestor.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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the designer was drunk, forgetful and generally incompetent.


Ah, the Cras school of software engineering.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 19:21 
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Yeah, with the best will in the world, if you sit listening for voices for 11 hours a day, you'll hear them eventually. I'm sorry that you and your ex-wife went through such a rough time, but I'm a long way from convinced about ITC.


I completely understand that. The thing is, what about when you call some one in who really doesn't give a crap about it and really isn't interested in it and hasn't gone through a bad time and they hear it?

I've heard some nonsense about pessimistic people not being able to see ghosts or spirits because they don't believe. But I've never heard anything about the pessimist who doesn't believe hearing something say "f**k off you c**t". In fact, she even refused to hear that. She said he was saying something else.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Squirt wrote:
Yeah, with the best will in the world, if you sit listening for voices for 11 hours a day, you'll hear them eventually. I'm sorry that you and your ex-wife went through such a rough time, but I'm a long way from convinced about ITC.


I completely understand that. The thing is, what about when you call some one in who really doesn't give a crap about it and really isn't interested in it and hasn't gone through a bad time and they hear it?

I've heard some nonsense about pessimistic people not being able to see ghosts or spirits because they don't believe. But I've never heard anything about the pessimist who doesn't believe hearing something say "f**k off you c**t". In fact, she even refused to hear that. She said he was saying something else.


I think the fact that you say it was so unmistakeable and clear that it convinced you, only to then say that she heard something different perhaps proves rather than disproves that your brains are struggling to fit the sound jumble into patterns (and both finding something different).

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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OMFG from the link

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. It will expose the Vatican's exploits and their plans. Every human on Earth has been a victim of Vatican control, irrespective of religious belief or nationality. Life on Earth was never intended to be a struggle to survive. The Jesuits and Zionists have thrived on your suffering. They have overseen the production of GM foods. Monsanta is theirs. Water, air, and everything that humanity needs to survive, has been tampered with. All the drug companies are owned by them. I can assure you that their drugs are not designed to cure, only to slowly kill you.


Speaking from the other side to warn people about Monsanto. Definitely legit.

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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KovacsC wrote:
what is ITC?


Even google isn't helping. The couple of sites that I found referring to the afterlife and ITC didn't explain.


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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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OMFG from the link

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. It will expose the Vatican's exploits and their plans. Every human on Earth has been a victim of Vatican control, irrespective of religious belief or nationality. Life on Earth was never intended to be a struggle to survive. The Jesuits and Zionists have thrived on your suffering. They have overseen the production of GM foods. Monsanta is theirs. Water, air, and everything that humanity needs to survive, has been tampered with. All the drug companies are owned by them. I can assure you that their drugs are not designed to cure, only to slowly kill you.


Speaking from the other side to warn people about Monsanto. Definitely legit.

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I never did trust those Jesuits.


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Mimi wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Squirt wrote:
Yeah, with the best will in the world, if you sit listening for voices for 11 hours a day, you'll hear them eventually. I'm sorry that you and your ex-wife went through such a rough time, but I'm a long way from convinced about ITC.


I completely understand that. The thing is, what about when you call some one in who really doesn't give a crap about it and really isn't interested in it and hasn't gone through a bad time and they hear it?

I've heard some nonsense about pessimistic people not being able to see ghosts or spirits because they don't believe. But I've never heard anything about the pessimist who doesn't believe hearing something say "f**k off you c**t". In fact, she even refused to hear that. She said he was saying something else.


I think the fact that you say it was so unmistakeable and clear that it convinced you, only to then say that she heard something different perhaps proves rather than disproves that your brains are struggling to fit the sound jumble into patterns (and both finding something different).


Usually it was quite hard to understand, and I would need her to tell me what was being said. And even then at times I could not hear it, no matter how many times I listened to it or was expecting to hear a specific sentence.

But this was as clear as day. I've heard the phrase plenty of times, so I know just how it sounds :DD

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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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Why on earth would people 'on the other side', if capable of changing 1s and 0s in an audio file to create words hours into a garbage audio file, not just change 1s and 0s in a text file to say what they want?


YouTube video plz.


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 Post subject: Re: The afterlife and ITC.
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what is ITC?

Idiots Talking Crap, apparently.

Not you, JC. The tinfoil hatters on the net


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KovacsC wrote:
what is ITC?

Idiots Talking Crap, apparently.

Not you, JC. The tinfoil hatters on the net


Aye, that was one of the few names I gave it.

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Imagine Talking Corpses.

Brains are weird, they're set up to try and find pattern and meaning in things, I see faces in all sorts of stuff for example (although never on Craster). I don't believe in the afterlife and stuff, yet I'm still 80% Goth. See, people are weird.

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Zardoz wrote:

Brains are weird, they're set up to try and find pattern and meaning in things, I see faces in all sorts of stuff for example


Cor, I’ve never thought of that before.

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Why on earth would people 'on the other side', if capable of changing 1s and 0s in an audio file to create words hours into a garbage audio file, not just change 1s and 0s in a text file to say what they want? Infinitely easier and better.

So ignoring the question of whether there is another side with people there trying to communicate, it's not just that the possibility of them doing so is ludicrous, it's that the method is ludicrous.



Cor, nor that!

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Mimi wrote:
Zardoz wrote:

Brains are weird, they're set up to try and find pattern and meaning in things, I see faces in all sorts of stuff for example


Cor, I’ve never thought of that before.


Good point, Z - that's why we see faces in clouds and things.

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When I was much, much youner (8ish, I'd guess) I have a cupboard with a repeating pattern carved out along the top. One day, while going to sleep, I'd left the doorof it open, and a sliver of light through the room door fell on it which basically caused a section of it to look like a demonic face.

I didn't sleep well for weeks. And until the day I moved out, that door was always shut before I went to sleep, despite long since having realised that my cupboard didn't actually want to kill me.

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So, you're saying it's actually dead people that are stealing the MHz from my CPU?

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It is called Spectre! Maybe it's a huge cover up!

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The only Priest you need on this is Judas

We just hear what we want at the time

Either that or Judas Priest are part of the Illuminati in league with Trebor and are trying to sell mints through their music.

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What's the process here?

1. Take a 'gibberish file'
2. Play it into the open air
3. Record that playing
4. Listen to the recording
5. Spot hidden communications?


Humans spot patterns out of nothing. It's why hallucinogenic drugs are so popular. Unfortunately it sounds like her grief has caused her to forcibly try and spot patterns out of nothing, and that those patterns are ones containing negative messages.

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