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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 19:25 
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Cras wrote:
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https://www.themarysue.com/george-takei-denial/


That's really interesting, and there's a lot in there that I'd not considered. I'm not sure the suggested alternate response is a lot better though - surely being directly reached out to by your abuser is the absolute last thing many victims would want?


Also, if you do happen to be innocent then I think a flat-out denial is completely understandable as a response. In fact, reaching out to a victim in private actually looks a little bit like buying silence or similar, perhaps. I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘this is an awful response because of the current climate, and is damaging to all cases’ because his response must critically address his case. I’m not saying that as a fan in this one instance. I’ve literally no idea who this guy is (well, I do now as I asked and someone said Star Wars, but I’ve not seen them or him).

Edit: Star TREK, even.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 19:38 
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Mimi wrote:
Also, if you do happen to be innocent then I think a flat-out denial is completely understandable as a response. In fact, reaching out to a victim in private actually looks a little bit like buying silence or similar, perhaps. I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘this is an awful response because of the current climate, and is damaging to all cases’ because his response must critically address his case.


Indeed. If you haven't done "it" then you are entitled to flat out deny that anything of the sort happened, and you have precisely zero obligation to do anything else just because of any incidental effect it may have on unrelated cases/people.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 22:25 
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Funny thinking back on Trek, there was those reports of Gene Roddenberry acting quite badly during production.

Also it was an actor on the current series of Trek that outed Kevin Spacey.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 22:46 
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So can we just blame it on the Klingons and get on with stuff as usual then?

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Provocative headline, but I broadly agree with what's written here:

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 21:46 
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Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... man-244978


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:39 
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I kept reading waiting for the bit where he resigned from his job in public office, but it never came up.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:21 
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Lonewolves wrote:
Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... man-244978


Come on, now that we can rank "public apologies for sex arrassement", LCK isn't that bad. After Spacey's "apology" CK's apology looked like The Brothers Karamazov. Yep, i'm still such a fanboy, even though i've been looking for other comedians to listen while i work because it's still too soon to listen to Louie again.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Try Mike Birbiglia: https://open.spotify.com/album/4dyqwnLapBXxpQN0rFeu0Z

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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RuySan wrote:
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Louis CK take note, this is how you apologise:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... man-244978


Come on, now that we can rank "public apologies for sex arrassement", LCK isn't that bad. After Spacey's "apology" CK's apology looked like The Brothers Karamazov. Yep, i'm still such a fanboy, even though i've been looking for other comedians to listen while i work because it's still too soon to listen to Louie again.

CK didn't actually apologise at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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I kept reading waiting for the bit where he resigned from his job in public office, but it never came up.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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I know

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Wow, this guy from Orange is The New Black and Amy Schumer show is a good comedian? Didn't know


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 20:33 
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I’ve said it privately and I’ve said it out loud to people’s cake holes: I’m not satisfied that Rolf Harris is a guilty paedo.

Then I’d read this assessment of the Harris case and I’m thinking there’s a miscarriage of justice in here somewhere. I reckon this piece is a fab write-up and deserves sharing widely. Also, it’s a fascinating look at the road to conviction in our courts that many people won’t have first hand experience of. Have a read, will ya.

http://barristerblogger.com/2017/11/19/ ... n-retrial/

FREE ROLF HARRIS!

FREE ROLF HARRIS!

FREE ROLF HARRIS!

Then do a retrial cause, y’know, just to be on the safe side cause he might molest our kids.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Actually, he might have been released already. ONLY HE NOES.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 14:33 
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I see that Morrissey has helpfully chipped in with his opinion

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Morrissey continued to say victims “know exactly what’s going on” and “play along” until they claim rape afterwards when they feel “embarrassed or disliked.”

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 17:09 
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I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


He’s an absolutely fucking awful person.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Curiosity wrote:
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I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


He’s an absolutely fucking awful person.

Yes. Yes he is.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Lonewolves wrote:
I love the Smiths so every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


Just assume, like in Clint Eastwood's case, that he was abducted by aliens and replaced with an inferior "clone".


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Lonewolves wrote:
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every time Morrissey opens his mouth I die a little inside.


He has an absolutely fucking awful singing voice.

Yes. Yes he has.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 18:27 
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Err, no.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 19:49 
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You try not to let it taint the astonishing, towering magnificence of The Smiths' output (and a decent amount of his solo output in fairness, albeit less and less so in that regard over the years), but it's getting increasingly hard work with the utter fucking shite he's been coming out with for years now, and often quite hateful shite at that.

And yet apparently there are some superb tracks on his latest album, which I'll probably listen to and enjoy.

As cliched as it is, I guess geniuses are often troubled and disturbed and/or disturbing on some level, and Morrissey is (was?) definitely a lyrical genius.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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I don’t think he’s disturbed, I just think his new music is pap even by comparison to stuff he released only 15 years ago, and he’s intentionally controversial to regain attention. I also think he’s very careful with his language, enough to be quoted out of context to attract bigger headlines (implying things he didn’t say, despite what he said being bad enough) and leaving enough wriggle room for his fans to accept it as a misquote.


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I don't know if he's trying to appear "authentic" or whatever by parroting the views of e.g. the thickest twat in the pub or if those are just his actual views. I don't really care either way. I always thought he was a complete fucking tool.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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He's a sociopathic, racist, foghorn-voiced empathy-vacuum. (And I like the Smiths.)

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