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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 21:30 
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Wait, I used the word "woke" about twenty times in the last week.

Am I not allowed to do that?

Were you talking about what time your alarm went off?

Nope. I used it to mean "more aware of other people".

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 21:34 
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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 22:09 
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/television/louis-ck-statement.html?smid=tw-share&referer=

Louis CK confirms the accusations are true.

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"At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true,” C.K. writes. “But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question, it’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”


Well that's a shitty thing for sure, it's inexcusable behaviour, and I suspect it pretty much means the end of his career, it's hard to imagine his material working now, or indeed him getting away with performing it.

He seems genuinely sorry about it and maybe he's dealt with a lot of stuff since he did those things, but I'm hard pushed to think of any situation where asking a woman if you can get your dick out and wank in front of her is anything other than atrocious.

I hope history doesn't get rewritten though, and his work to date effectively be removed from existence. (Not that I can imagine there being any fresh work from him in the future, which seems appropriate.)

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 22:25 
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This is really good http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/louis-ck-is-done.html

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Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Weinstein’s entire body of work has been retroactively contaminated by multiple accounts accusing them of sexually predatory behavior ranging from sexual harassment to rape. These stories change our perception of their art, whether we would like them to or not. This is not just unavoidable, it’s a necessary part of processing art and coming to terms with it.


When disturbing stories about respected artists come from the distant past, we treat them dispassionately, as just one detail among many. Present-tense or near-present-tense revelations hit us differently because we share the same world as the artist, breathe the same air, feed the same economy. We think of them as contemporaries, even as people we know. This kind of revelation changes the relationship between the artist and the art, in a way that places an unasked-for, unfair burden on the audience. This is what’s happening culturewide. And it’s not the fault of people who didn’t report it, or audiences who aren’t sophisticated enough to separate the art from the artist. It’s the fault of the artists for being secret creeps or criminals, and the fault of the system for making it possible for them to act this way for years without being punished.

The allegations against C.K. also constitute a form of betrayal, against an audience that trusts artists to make edgy, even unlikable work, and gives them the benefit of the doubt when they wade into the deepest, darkest parts of their imagination.

A well-crafted, intelligent story about the impact of rape, domestic violence, pederasty, and so forth is already tough to watch. It becomes a horrendous experience once you add the possibility that the writer or director actually did what they’re depicting, and might be getting off on making the audience squirm by representing it while not fessing up to their relationship with it. It’s a power move, rooted in the thrill of subterfuge and shock: an artist’s version of indecent exposure.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 22:37 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
This is really good http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/louis-ck-is-done.html

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Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Weinstein’s entire body of work has been retroactively contaminated by multiple accounts accusing them of sexually predatory behavior ranging from sexual harassment to rape. These stories change our perception of their art, whether we would like them to or not. This is not just unavoidable, it’s a necessary part of processing art and coming to terms with it.


When disturbing stories about respected artists come from the distant past, we treat them dispassionately, as just one detail among many. Present-tense or near-present-tense revelations hit us differently because we share the same world as the artist, breathe the same air, feed the same economy. We think of them as contemporaries, even as people we know. This kind of revelation changes the relationship between the artist and the art, in a way that places an unasked-for, unfair burden on the audience. This is what’s happening culturewide. And it’s not the fault of people who didn’t report it, or audiences who aren’t sophisticated enough to separate the art from the artist. It’s the fault of the artists for being secret creeps or criminals, and the fault of the system for making it possible for them to act this way for years without being punished.

The allegations against C.K. also constitute a form of betrayal, against an audience that trusts artists to make edgy, even unlikable work, and gives them the benefit of the doubt when they wade into the deepest, darkest parts of their imagination.

A well-crafted, intelligent story about the impact of rape, domestic violence, pederasty, and so forth is already tough to watch. It becomes a horrendous experience once you add the possibility that the writer or director actually did what they’re depicting, and might be getting off on making the audience squirm by representing it while not fessing up to their relationship with it. It’s a power move, rooted in the thrill of subterfuge and shock: an artist’s version of indecent exposure.

Though I think I’d have found it difficult to actually put into words, I think that final paragraph gives my feelings very well, and Russell and I had a relatively long discussion on a very similar train of thought a few days ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 22:39 
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Yep, agreed.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Quite. I mentioned somewhere that many of Spaceys scenes in House of Cards, particularly the physical and/or sexualised ones, no longer feel like they were acted out.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Quite. I mentioned somewhere that many of Spaceys scenes in House of Cards, particularly the physical and/or sexualised ones, no longer feel like they were acted out.

Oh, very much this. The forceful, predatory stairwell scenes of young staff feel even more uncomfortable in retrospect.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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meh, I can still watch Chris Benoit matches.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 23:40 
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Also if there are any unsolved serial killer cases in the States, especially involving Gwyneth Paltrow's head in a box and dead fat men who've been force-fed spaghetti until their stomach went pop, I'd be paying Mr Spacey a visit and asking a few searching questions.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 23:42 
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meh, I can still watch Chris Benoit matches.

Oh gosh. I did not know who he was so looked him up on Wikipedia and should not have done that. Really, really difficult to read so I bailed reading it part way through.

On a related but lighter note, is it usual to watch old wrestling matches?

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Yes, very much so. You just have to look at the amount of old matches on Youtube, or the amount of old content on WWE's network.


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Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Yes, very much so. You just have to look at the amount of old matches on Youtube, or the amount of old content on WWE's network.


And it has the slightly less successful MaliCool


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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https://m.facebook.com/EllenPage/posts/ ... 2835577449

Ellen Page has called out Brett Ratner, who has long been rumoured to be trash.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:13 
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Louis CK's career won't be over. He'll go away for a bit and then come out with new self-critical self-financed and independently released material.

Unlike (most) actors, he doesn't need much infrastructure/industry support to make new material. He can self-finance anything easily, he has independently released plenty of stuff just directly on his website, and he has enough of a fanbase to support doing so.

Edit: and yeah, on fictional depictions of abuse, when watching a movie, you want to be questioning the motivation of the characters, not the filmmakers.


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https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... accusation

Hope Solo is a great name.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Richard Dreyfuss too.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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There's going to be nothing left to watch at this rate.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood Assaults
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Yep. Basically it is time to throw all your heroes in the bin


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George Takei

That one's a real shocker after all the work he's done for gay rights and Japanese Americans. Still, 36 years ago. I wonder how much has changed since then.


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Lonewolves wrote:
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Yep. Basically it is time to throw all your heroes in the bin

Tim Berners-Lee?

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Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is

Fuck's sake, Myp, I'd almost started to li...tolerate you, then you say something ridiculous like that. Professional Wrestling is both the pinnacle of theatre and an amazing athletic performance. It's literally better than that thing what you like. Y'know the one. *Looks at notes* the only thing written here is "Myp blows goats" so we'll have to go with that. Pro-wrestling is better than you blowing a goat.


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Grim... wrote:
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Yep. Basically it is time to throw all your heroes in the bin

Tim Berners-Lee?

If you like


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Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is

Fuck's sake, Myp, I'd almost started to li...tolerate you, then you say something ridiculous like that. Professional Wrestling is both the pinnacle of theatre and an amazing athletic performance. It's literally better than that thing what you like. Y'know the one. *Looks at notes* the only thing written here is "Myp blows goats" so we'll have to go with that. Pro-wrestling is better than you blowing a goat.

Sorry, I was just doing my Pundie Bear impression in *looks at notes* any other thread


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Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is


Incorrect.

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