Be Excellent To Each Other

Were you talking about what time your alarm went off?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/television/louis-ck-statement.html?smid=tw-share&referer=

Louis CK confirms the accusations are true.

Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Weinstein’s entire body of work has been retroactively contaminated by multiple accounts accusing them of sexually predatory behavior ranging from sexual harassment to rape. These stories change our perception of their art, whether we would like them to or not. This is not just unavoidable, it’s a necessary part of processing art and coming to terms with it.


When disturbing stories about respected artists come from the distant past, we treat them dispassionately, as just one detail among many. Present-tense or near-present-tense revelations hit us differently because we share the same world as the artist, breathe the same air, feed the same economy. We think of them as contemporaries, even as people we know. This kind of revelation changes the relationship between the artist and the art, in a way that places an unasked-for, unfair burden on the audience. This is what’s happening culturewide. And it’s not the fault of people who didn’t report it, or audiences who aren’t sophisticated enough to separate the art from the artist. It’s the fault of the artists for being secret creeps or criminals, and the fault of the system for making it possible for them to act this way for years without being punished.

The allegations against C.K. also constitute a form of betrayal, against an audience that trusts artists to make edgy, even unlikable work, and gives them the benefit of the doubt when they wade into the deepest, darkest parts of their imagination.

A well-crafted, intelligent story about the impact of rape, domestic violence, pederasty, and so forth is already tough to watch. It becomes a horrendous experience once you add the possibility that the writer or director actually did what they’re depicting, and might be getting off on making the audience squirm by representing it while not fessing up to their relationship with it. It’s a power move, rooted in the thrill of subterfuge and shock: an artist’s version of indecent exposure.

This is really good http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/louis-ck-is-done.html

Quite. I mentioned somewhere that many of Spaceys scenes in House of Cards, particularly the physical and/or sexualised ones, no longer feel like they were acted out.

meh, I can still watch Chris Benoit matches.

Yes, very much so. You just have to look at the amount of old matches on Youtube, or the amount of old content on WWE's network.

George Takei

George Takei

Yep. Basically it is time to throw all your heroes in the bin

Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is

Tim Berners-Lee?

Fuck's sake, Myp, I'd almost started to li...tolerate you, then you say something ridiculous like that. Professional Wrestling is both the pinnacle of theatre and an amazing athletic performance. It's literally better than that thing what you like. Y'know the one. *Looks at notes* the only thing written here is "Myp blows goats" so we'll have to go with that. Pro-wrestling is better than you blowing a goat.

Tim Berners-Lee

Wrestling is rubbish no matter how new or old it is

Incorrect.

That one's a real shocker after all the work he's done for gay rights and Japanese Americans. Still, 36 years ago. I wonder how much has changed since then.

I find this one hard to believe. George posted dening it.

Why do you find it hard to believe?

Possibly because it seems out of character with what we know about him and how he has behaved?

Jesus Christ

Out of character? Like Saville? Rolf? Cosby? Character means fuck all to an actor.

This is what George put..

Friends,
I'm writing to respond to the accusations made by Scott R. Brunton. I want to assure you all that I am as shocked and bewildered at these claims as you must feel reading them.
The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do. But I do take these claims very seriously, and I wanted to provide my response thoughtfully and not out of the moment.
Right now it is a he said / he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful.
Brad, who is 100 percent beside me on this, as my life partner of more than 30 years and now my husband, stands fully by my side. I cannot tell you how vital it has been to have his unwavering support and love in these difficult times.
Thanks to many of you for all the kind words and trust. It means so much to us.
Yours in gratitude,
George

Jesus Christ

Or Jesus has been accused of sexual assault.

[edit] Oh, we've done that joke, have we? Fuck y'all, than

I can see why you react like this but sometimes I think your way of communicating can be as bad as that of those reacting from the other side. Which I think is what Grim... was alluding to earlier, when you were replying to Ruysan.

People not automatically siding with the victim doesn't make them a bad person or an idiot for thinking any other way - you shouldn't be throwing your hands ds in the air - if you want to help people's attitudes change, you need to explain your point of view. People obviously don't get it, it's clearly not apparent to everyone why victim-blaming is a result of the type of social conditioning that gives abusers power and the ability to abuse unfettered for decades.

Without discussion, there'll never be an understanding and there will never be change. Shutting people down with derision won't help anybodies cause. It's a difficult subject to navigate, otherwise it wouldn't be such a divisive issue in bloody 2017.

When people say "I find that hard to believe" I don't automatically believe that means they are saying the accuser or victim is lying. I think alot of people just find it hard to accept that their personal hero or someone they think highly of, could do the things they're being accused of. It's a reaction, based on someone they think they know. There is a difference between disbelief and accusing someone else of lying.