Best Games Ever (Edge Magazine 2017)

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:15

Satsuma wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

If all these games have got to be as playable today as when they were when they were released there's no way Super Mario 64 should be anywhere near the top of that list, it's a frustrating mess of a game. It's the one Mario game that has definitely not stood the test of time.

Wrong! It's still great.

You tried playing it recently? And not just to dabble, but to try and finish it from the start?

As it happens, I have. I didn't finish it but I definitely enjoyed the time I had with it.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:17

I think the main question is why try not to fart is not in the list...

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:17

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

Dead Space was brilliant though.

It was a very good re-run of RE4 but in space, but I don't think it brought enough new stuff to the party to justify a top 50 position.

I wondered the same thing about Demon's Souls (25th) and Dark Souls (2nd). I've not played Demon's Souls yet, but I assumed Dark Souls was more of the same but with a bit extra here and there?

GazChap · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:26

XCOM but not XCOM2, even though it improves on almost everything with the first game? (and that's before the new expansion which improves on the improvements)

Travesty etc. etc.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14356

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

Dead Space was brilliant though.

It was a very good re-run of RE4 but in space, but I don't think it brought enough new stuff to the party to justify a top 50 position.

Didn't you play it multiple times through to completion? It must have been doing something right.

I'm struggling to think of games as polished and memorable as Dead Space that went the Resi 4 action survival route other than The Last of Us. The Evil Within? Alan Wake? The former is great but it's not top 100 worthy. Alan Wake was a bit pants.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Satsuma wrote:

Didn't you play it multiple times through to completion? It must have been doing something right.

Did I? Just once, I thought, but perhaps I've forgotten. I've done RE4 twice, and RE5 three times (!)

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:01

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

and RE5 three times (!)

*still waiting in 360 lobby* :'(

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:03

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

Didn't you play it multiple times through to completion? It must have been doing something right.

Did I? Just once, I thought, but perhaps I've forgotten. I've done RE4 twice, and RE5 three times (!)

I have a vague recollection that you did as well. Am I right in believing that you could play through again with all the weapons upgraded from a previous play?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:21

Yeah, I remember starting to play through again with my 'weapons' starting off where the first play through left them.

I really want to play it again now

myp · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:26

Mr Dave wrote:

I think the main question is why try not to fart is not in the list...

Good point

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Played 23 "finished" 5, and that includes FTL.

Own a few in the top 20 but only finished portal and hl2

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

DBSnappa wrote:

I have a vague recollection that you did as well.

My posting history here has no reminders that are useful, although with you saying that as well I guess it's probably true.

I did find this ace post though, from a thread where I was picking between Dead Space and Far Cry 2:

DBSnappa wrote:

working on the premise that you were near orgasmically enthusiastic about Resi 4 and Dead Space is a resi homage in space and you like space and it's quite short and may be a respite to Fallout I recommend getting Bungo Bungo Cat Throw

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 17:43

Just Cause 2 is also absent. Disgraceful.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 18:00

More to kill time at the end of the working day than anything else, here's my list, but in alphabetical order -

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1080 Snowboarding
Ace Golf
Act Raiser
Animal Crossing
Batman - Arkham Asylum
Bejeweled 3
Bishi Bashi Special
Blast Corps
Bubble Bobble
Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday
California Games
Captive
Cardfighter Clash
Carrier Command
Castlevania - Dawn of Sorrow
Championship Manager 93
Chaos
Chase HQ
Crazy Taxi
Dark Souls
Dead or Alive 2
Duke Nukem 3D
Dune II - Battle for Arrakis
Earth Defense Force 2017
Eternal Champions - Challenge from the Dark Side
Eternal Darkness
Excitebike 64
Fallout 3
FIFA 10
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy X
FlatOut - Ultimate Carnage
Frontier - Elite 2
FTL - Faster Than Light
Geometry Wars 2
Golden Axe
Goldeneye
Gunstar Heroes
Hunter
IK+
It came from the Desert
James Pond 3
Jungle Strike
Landstalker
Magical Drop III
Mega Turrican
Mega-lo-Mania
Metroid Prime
Moonstone
Muppet Racemania
Myth
NHL 94 CD
Out Run 2006:Coast to Coast
Out Zone
Pac-Man:CE DX+
Peggle
Phoenix
Populous II
Psycho Fox
Puzzle de Pon
Radiant Silvergun
Rebelstar II
Resident Evil 4
Rez
Road Rash II
Robocop
Rock Band 3
Rock N Roll Racing
Rocket League
Samba de Amigo
San Francisco Rush 2049
Sensible World of Soccer
Shenmue
Shining Force II
Shining in the Darkness
Shinobi III
Skitchin
Soccer Brawl
SOS - The Final Escape
Space Harrier
Split Personalities
Star Wars (Arcade)
Streets of Rage 2
Stunt Car Racer
Super Baseball 2020
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Monkey Ball
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Tetris
The Binding of Isaac:Rebirth
Theme Park
Tony Hawk's Pro Skateboarding
Turbo Esprit
Typing of the Dead - Overkill
Ultimate Muscle - Legends Vs New Generation
Virtua Tennis 2
Wonder Boy III - The Dragon's Trap
WWF Royal Rumble
WWF Wrestlefest

Struggled to even come up with 100; my memory isn't what it was.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14356

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 18:14

Satsuma wrote:

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

I'd say James Pond 3 was more of a Super Mario World clone, but for some reason, I always preferred it to Mario or Sonic.

And I've never enjoyed a Zelda game enough to complete it. Wind Wake was alright, but I still gave up on it.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

Satsuma wrote:

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

Moonstone was only buggy on the pirate version. You filthy pirate

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14356

DavPaz wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

Moonstone was only buggy on the pirate version. You filthy pirate

LIES. I had the big A4 box copy for xmas. Might still have it somewhere.

Or did I? Christ, now you've got me thinking I was a big filthy pirate. Which I was, but I still got the odd boxed game.

Edit: I'm not sure you're right. Even with a quick google I've come across talk of "infamous game breaking bugs." No, I think my recollection is right about this one.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 19:43

Moonstone is being ported to the CD32... AS WE SPEAK!!!

I hope it's not buggy.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 20:50

No Sonic games either.

A fair few I've never heard of, though.

nickachu · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 21:04

Monkey island isn't anywhere to be seen and it is a masterpiece.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

No 'Leisure Suit Larry?' No 'Chucky Egg?' No 'Danger UXB?'

I'm aghast.

I only played one off that list, the original Tetris.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 23:17

Warhead wrote:

No 'Leisure Suit Larry?' No 'Chucky Egg?' No 'Danger UXB?'

I'm aghast.

I only played one off that list, the original Tetris.

I'd never heard of Danger UXB, so I hunted for a video of it

Looks alright actually, although by level five, the speed certainly ramps up.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

devilman wrote:

I'd never heard of Danger UXB, so I hunted for a video of it

Looks alright actually, although by level five, the speed certainly ramps up.

Looks like a checkman clone

http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detai ... me_id=7319

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

devilman wrote:

Warhead wrote:

No 'Leisure Suit Larry?' No 'Chucky Egg?' No 'Danger UXB?'

I'm aghast.

I only played one off that list, the original Tetris.

I'd never heard of Danger UXB, so I hunted for a video of it

Looks alright actually, although by level five, the speed certainly ramps up.

It was indeed 'alright.' Simple to play and understand, and yes, it got faster and faster, but with perseverance I got faster too. A good game for just a few mins if you had a little time to kill.

Oh, I really like Buggy Boy as well. My kids and I used to play that incessantly.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

It's not a bad list at all IMO, it's always going to be easy to pick holes or point out omissions from one's own perspective, but they seem to have got most bases covered and have resisted the urge to put a load of old crap in because they felt duty bound to. (I'm a firm believer that the vast majority of old games belong very much in the past.)

The one thing that stands out to me is Tetris in the top ten, which is a game that I've never, ever liked - right from when it was brand new and the cool kid in town.

I do like the way they've gone for some very finessed choices, such as Out Run 2006 Coast to Coast as their 'arcade racer' on the list, as I think you can make a very strong case for that game being the single best arcade racing game ever. (And hard to get hold of now, since Sega don't have the Ferrari licence anymore so you can't buy it digitally, so it's old physical copies only now.)

As other have already noted, I'd personally have Doom 2016 comfortably in my own top ten. In fact, I'd go top five.

So yeah, a reasonable stab at a Top 100 Best Games Ever list, I'd say.

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:38

Hearthly wrote:

The one thing that stands out to me is Tetris in the top ten, which is a game that I've never, ever liked - right from when it was brand new and the cool kid in town.

I think for me, Tetris was pretty much the perfect handheld game when it came out for the game boy. I've played, and enjoyed, other versions since, but the game boy one suited its platform perfectly. When I was coming up with my list, I could barely think of other handheld games that I'd even put on there, besides that and Card Fighters, which again, suited the Neo Geo Pocket perfectly.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

devilman wrote:

I think for me, Tetris was pretty much the perfect handheld game when it came out for the game boy. I've played, and enjoyed, other versions since, but the game boy one suited its platform perfectly. When I was coming up with my list, I could barely think of other handheld games that I'd even put on there, besides that and Card Fighters, which again, suited the Neo Geo Pocket perfectly.

I originally got hold of it on the C64 (which did at least possess an amazing ambient soundtrack that played constantly in the background), I recall playing it on the Amiga as well - and not liking either version. (And obviously I've played various other versions over the years.)

When I got a Game Boy it came with Tetris, and at the time I was working night shifts at a 24 hour garage in Prestwich, a situation you would think would be a perfect match for a game like that on a handheld. Nope, still didn't like it.

My handheld game for the list would probably be Wario Ware on the GBA.

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:16

I went to Youtube to remind myself of the music of the Spectrum 128k version and I noticed that it actually recommends the C64 version's music in the little scroller on the homepage -

(about 27 seconds in)

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Advance Wars is in the OP list and thoroughly deserves it. Wario Ware is excellent too, and might feature in my personal top 100. Also: Zelda Link to the Past.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14356

It's great to see INSIDE on that list since it is a slice of pure perfection.

It's a nice surprised to see The Last Guardian in there though. It's certainly shouldn't be above Shadows of the Collosus (and neither should ICO but I recognise that people will always love one more than the other). I should probably replay it. The technical faults are often very frustrating but it's such a beautiful game that you can mostly look past them. The switch from daylight to twilight about 2/3rds of the way through the story was one of my most memorable gaming experiencing of the current gen thanks to the HDR support.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

Tetris for DOS is the only way to go. No stupid distracting background, no indecipherable bonuses, just pure straightforward playability. I've tried other versions, but this is still my Tetris of choice.

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Sep 01, 2017 19:35

Nintendo really nailed in when they packaged the Gameboy with Tetris.

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