Best Games Ever (Edge Magazine 2017)

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:41

We have a winner!

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

Played 77 not played 23.

Of the 23 not played I'd probably like to play about 3 of them.

Of the 77 played I've completed 55 of the ones that have a completion state (so I'm counting Tetris for example as the Gameboy original I played it on had an ending).

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:03

How many of these games are Art?

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

10. I've played 10 of them.

Strong console bias in that list. Very strong

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:09

Zardoz wrote:

How many of these games are Art?

All of them but one. It's up to us to spend the next 10 or so pages discussing which one.

nickachu · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:29

Played only 27 of them. Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:36

Dead Space? I'm surprised that's there.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:46

It's a very good game. But yeah.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

nickachu wrote:

Played only 27 of them. Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Why 13 year olds? All of Ueda's work is in there and they are considered some of the most emotionally affecting games produced not just shoot-em-up bang bang games like CoD.

Curio, did they have a preface to the list? Something that gives an idea of how they compiled their list?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

Not played 21 but that includes things like Civ4 (when I've played a lot of previous Civ games) - the only one in the top in the top 20 i've not played is Bayonetta 2 and thats just because i dont have a Wii-u

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:52

nickachu wrote:

Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Just because you're 17 now!

nickachu · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:09

Satsuma wrote:

nickachu wrote:

Played only 27 of them. Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Why 13 year olds? All of Ueda's work is in there and they are considered some of the most emotionally affecting games produced not just shoot-em-up bang bang games like CoD.

Doom (2016) is rated so high.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:10

Enough of your lip, get to your room!

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

nickachu wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

nickachu wrote:

Played only 27 of them. Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Why 13 year olds? All of Ueda's work is in there and they are considered some of the most emotionally affecting games produced not just shoot-em-up bang bang games like CoD.

Doom (2016) is rated so high.

And that makes the list childish?

nickachu · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:14

Satsuma wrote:

nickachu wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

nickachu wrote:

Played only 27 of them. Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Why 13 year olds? All of Ueda's work is in there and they are considered some of the most emotionally affecting games produced not just shoot-em-up bang bang games like CoD.

Doom (2016) is rated so high.

And that makes the list childish?

The list is shit is essentially what I'm getting at.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:17

Is it really shit or do you just disagree with it? I thought Doom (2016) was a brilliant game. Well deserving of a place on a 'best of' list.

I've just checked and noticed that they've put Dead Space above it. :shrug:

S'all subjective innit?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:21

Doom (2016) would be troubling my top ten.

nickachu · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:21

TheVision wrote:

Is it really shit or do you just disagree with it?

Isn't that the same thing with this kind of thing? :shrug:

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:26

nickachu wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Is it really shit or do you just disagree with it?

Isn't that the same thing with this kind of thing? :shrug:

I'm not sure. You're asking the wrong person to be honest. I rarely think anything is shit

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:28

TheVision wrote:

Is it really shit or do you just disagree with it?

Do they set out criteria for what makes a game worthy? A list of the most ground-breaking, genre-changing games would be different to a list of the games that are the most fun to play after a hard day, after all. We also need to factor in changing technology and expectations because what was impressive in 1982 isn't going to be as shocking as something released today.

Naturally, if the number of times a person plays a game is the sole metric, the world would be split into two opposing factions: Minesweeper fans and Solitaire freaks.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

Dead Space was brilliant though. Personally I liked 2 better and thought it was more fun to play but the original introduced things such as all the HUD on the character himself, items and menus ingame, had a sense of place that 2 was lacking and the sound design was awesome.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:54

Satsuma wrote:

nickachu wrote:

Played only 27 of them. Who on earth voted for them? 13 year olds?

Why 13 year olds? All of Ueda's work is in there and they are considered some of the most emotionally affecting games produced not just shoot-em-up bang bang games like CoD.

Curio, did they have a preface to the list? Something that gives an idea of how they compiled their list?

I dunno. I stole it off another forum. Could even be made up for all I know.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:56

But seriously, no sports games at all? No Champ Manager? FIFA? Pro Evo? Madden? NHL? Speedball? Whatevs.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

I wonder if this is just something on their diary so they revisit this every few years

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If you look at the top 20 for both its easier to see they just slotted some new ones in and pushed the older ones up one step

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Grim... wrote:

Doom (2016) would be troubling my top ten.

Same. It's a fucking masterpiece.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

If all these games have got to be as playable today as when they were when they were released there's no way Super Mario 64 should be anywhere near the top of that list, it's a frustrating mess of a game. It's the one Mario game that has definitely not stood the test of time.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 13:42

Satsuma wrote:

If all these games have got to be as playable today as when they were when they were released there's no way Super Mario 64 should be anywhere near the top of that list, it's a frustrating mess of a game. It's the one Mario game that has definitely not stood the test of time.

Wrong! It's still great.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

TheVision wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

If all these games have got to be as playable today as when they were when they were released there's no way Super Mario 64 should be anywhere near the top of that list, it's a frustrating mess of a game. It's the one Mario game that has definitely not stood the test of time.

Wrong! It's still great.

You tried playing it recently? And not just to dabble, but to try and finish it from the start?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:03

Not quite the same but I replayed it on the DS and remember it playing ok.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Satsuma wrote:

Dead Space was brilliant though.

It was a very good re-run of RE4 but in space, but I don't think it brought enough new stuff to the party to justify a top 50 position.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:15

Satsuma wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

If all these games have got to be as playable today as when they were when they were released there's no way Super Mario 64 should be anywhere near the top of that list, it's a frustrating mess of a game. It's the one Mario game that has definitely not stood the test of time.

Wrong! It's still great.

You tried playing it recently? And not just to dabble, but to try and finish it from the start?

As it happens, I have. I didn't finish it but I definitely enjoyed the time I had with it.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:17

I think the main question is why try not to fart is not in the list...

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:17

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

Dead Space was brilliant though.

It was a very good re-run of RE4 but in space, but I don't think it brought enough new stuff to the party to justify a top 50 position.

I wondered the same thing about Demon's Souls (25th) and Dark Souls (2nd). I've not played Demon's Souls yet, but I assumed Dark Souls was more of the same but with a bit extra here and there?

GazChap · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 14:26

XCOM but not XCOM2, even though it improves on almost everything with the first game? (and that's before the new expansion which improves on the improvements)

Travesty etc. etc.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

Dead Space was brilliant though.

It was a very good re-run of RE4 but in space, but I don't think it brought enough new stuff to the party to justify a top 50 position.

Didn't you play it multiple times through to completion? It must have been doing something right.

I'm struggling to think of games as polished and memorable as Dead Space that went the Resi 4 action survival route other than The Last of Us. The Evil Within? Alan Wake? The former is great but it's not top 100 worthy. Alan Wake was a bit pants.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Satsuma wrote:

Didn't you play it multiple times through to completion? It must have been doing something right.

Did I? Just once, I thought, but perhaps I've forgotten. I've done RE4 twice, and RE5 three times (!)

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:01

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

and RE5 three times (!)

*still waiting in 360 lobby* :'(

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:03

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

Didn't you play it multiple times through to completion? It must have been doing something right.

Did I? Just once, I thought, but perhaps I've forgotten. I've done RE4 twice, and RE5 three times (!)

I have a vague recollection that you did as well. Am I right in believing that you could play through again with all the weapons upgraded from a previous play?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:21

Yeah, I remember starting to play through again with my 'weapons' starting off where the first play through left them.

I really want to play it again now

myp · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 15:26

Mr Dave wrote:

I think the main question is why try not to fart is not in the list...

Good point

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Played 23 "finished" 5, and that includes FTL.

Own a few in the top 20 but only finished portal and hl2

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

DBSnappa wrote:

I have a vague recollection that you did as well.

My posting history here has no reminders that are useful, although with you saying that as well I guess it's probably true.

I did find this ace post though, from a thread where I was picking between Dead Space and Far Cry 2:

DBSnappa wrote:

working on the premise that you were near orgasmically enthusiastic about Resi 4 and Dead Space is a resi homage in space and you like space and it's quite short and may be a respite to Fallout I recommend getting Bungo Bungo Cat Throw

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 17:43

Just Cause 2 is also absent. Disgraceful.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 18:00

More to kill time at the end of the working day than anything else, here's my list, but in alphabetical order -

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1080 Snowboarding
Ace Golf
Act Raiser
Animal Crossing
Batman - Arkham Asylum
Bejeweled 3
Bishi Bashi Special
Blast Corps
Bubble Bobble
Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday
California Games
Captive
Cardfighter Clash
Carrier Command
Castlevania - Dawn of Sorrow
Championship Manager 93
Chaos
Chase HQ
Crazy Taxi
Dark Souls
Dead or Alive 2
Duke Nukem 3D
Dune II - Battle for Arrakis
Earth Defense Force 2017
Eternal Champions - Challenge from the Dark Side
Eternal Darkness
Excitebike 64
Fallout 3
FIFA 10
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy X
FlatOut - Ultimate Carnage
Frontier - Elite 2
FTL - Faster Than Light
Geometry Wars 2
Golden Axe
Goldeneye
Gunstar Heroes
Hunter
IK+
It came from the Desert
James Pond 3
Jungle Strike
Landstalker
Magical Drop III
Mega Turrican
Mega-lo-Mania
Metroid Prime
Moonstone
Muppet Racemania
Myth
NHL 94 CD
Out Run 2006:Coast to Coast
Out Zone
Pac-Man:CE DX+
Peggle
Phoenix
Populous II
Psycho Fox
Puzzle de Pon
Radiant Silvergun
Rebelstar II
Resident Evil 4
Rez
Road Rash II
Robocop
Rock Band 3
Rock N Roll Racing
Rocket League
Samba de Amigo
San Francisco Rush 2049
Sensible World of Soccer
Shenmue
Shining Force II
Shining in the Darkness
Shinobi III
Skitchin
Soccer Brawl
SOS - The Final Escape
Space Harrier
Split Personalities
Star Wars (Arcade)
Streets of Rage 2
Stunt Car Racer
Super Baseball 2020
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Monkey Ball
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Tetris
The Binding of Isaac:Rebirth
Theme Park
Tony Hawk's Pro Skateboarding
Turbo Esprit
Typing of the Dead - Overkill
Ultimate Muscle - Legends Vs New Generation
Virtua Tennis 2
Wonder Boy III - The Dragon's Trap
WWF Royal Rumble
WWF Wrestlefest

Struggled to even come up with 100; my memory isn't what it was.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

devilman · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 18:14

Satsuma wrote:

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

I'd say James Pond 3 was more of a Super Mario World clone, but for some reason, I always preferred it to Mario or Sonic.

And I've never enjoyed a Zelda game enough to complete it. Wind Wake was alright, but I still gave up on it.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

Satsuma wrote:

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

Moonstone was only buggy on the pirate version. You filthy pirate

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

DavPaz wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

You forgot ALL THE ZELDAS.

And all the games made after 2000.

You can't have Moonstone though. That bloody thing was fab but I never once made it to the end without it crashing. It was a notoriously buggy mess.

EDIT: or James Pond 3, it was a shit Sonic clone.

Moonstone was only buggy on the pirate version. You filthy pirate

LIES. I had the big A4 box copy for xmas. Might still have it somewhere.

Or did I? Christ, now you've got me thinking I was a big filthy pirate. Which I was, but I still got the odd boxed game.

Edit: I'm not sure you're right. Even with a quick google I've come across talk of "infamous game breaking bugs." No, I think my recollection is right about this one.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 19:43

Moonstone is being ported to the CD32... AS WE SPEAK!!!

I hope it's not buggy.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2017 20:50

No Sonic games either.

A fair few I've never heard of, though.

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