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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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It was surprisingly not shit!

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I did everything properly on burning Paris. I still hate that starting rifle with a passion, but other than that it went okay.

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Once you get the faster reloading it's a lot better. It'll only take you one game at the same rate as last night though.

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Internet crapped out on me yesterday, was offline apparently until 5am. That's why I dropped off.

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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You missed out on dying a lot

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I am enjoying Sui. The added challenge is welcome without feeling insurmountable (which it did when we tried it a month or so back, with us wiping in wave 2 or 3.)

I'd also like to occasionally drop back to hard to play with other perks, though. I'd very much like to get my Support and Commando up to 20.

Also: Commands are well good now we're rocking multiple rank-25 perks. The zed time extension ability is massive.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I reckon we could get to the Sui boss with me or Nickachu as medic and you as (whatever you're levelling today).

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Grim... wrote:
I reckon we could get to the Sui boss with me or Nickachu as medic and you as (whatever you're levelling today).

Yeah, probably, actually. I wasn't doing much healing for the first few waves, or indeed for 80% of the time in the later waves. On the other hand, I was a very busy doc indeed the other 20% of the time when multiple Scrakes and Fleshpounds were blending everyone's bones to dust...


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I reckon we could get to the Sui boss with me or Nickachu as medic and you as (whatever you're levelling today).


I'm happy to try but we were running almost full L25s and it was far from easy

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I was L18 Support in the last game (maybe last two) and it didn't seem to hurt that much.

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Well no, but not having 2 l25 demos killing everything coming in the door might affect that

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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2x max demo in the barn makes for a dull game. But 4x demo in the boss wave with two medics could be a route forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Or swap one Demo for a Sharpshooter ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Also zerking through prison then flipping to demo for boss wave was effective. The problem is establishing how much money I can dole out in the mid game rounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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2x max demo in the barn makes for a dull game. But 4x demo in the boss wave with two medics could be a route forward.

Most Fun Guides suggest a demo/sharp heavy mix for boss waves. [1] People also really like a 'zerker though. Edit -- that guide is less keen on Sharps than I remember; I think other guides disagree.

I think our biggest boss issue is failing to dodge the telegraphed near-instakills though, and more medics won't help as much as you might hope then; a medic plus a support with the medic shotty might be a better mix, as the support can move effectively clear trash while providing some extra healing if the situation demands it. On which note: people of all perks might like to experiment with carrying the medic pistol, particularly in the boss wave.

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MANDATORY: If you don't have these your chances go down the drain. You could still win, but I won't be betting on it. Are either vital for both bosses, or so vital for 1 boss that not taking it severely handicaps you if the wrong boss spawns.

1 Medic, level 20 or higher with Coagulant Booster and the rifle. Without it it is nearly impossible to deal with the potential damage output of Hans. It is heavily advised that you go all left. Symbotic Health will keep your own health topped off, give you your own buffs, and put you in the range where you can reliably take 2 melee strikes. Adrenaline shot allows players to sprint out of the bosses' melee lunge, and Coagulant Booster lets 100 health players survive 2 hits. Focus Injection is taken because poison is useless against the boss. Recommended off-perk weapons would be a katana to parry and a DBS to jump out of a boss's lunge.

1 tank Berserker with a tier 4 weapon and Parry. Dreadnaught is preferred because it lets you take 3+ melee strikes and gives the Medic a lot more HP to work with and apply Coagulant buffs. However, if you are confident in your parrying, you can take Skirmisher because the speed will let you chase down the boss when he tries to go after other players, or when Patty flees to heal. Bone Crusher is better for Hans because the block counters melee spam, while Eviscerator is better against Patty due to the ranged attack letting you chase him down more easily when he heals. Parry is the best skill for 1 on 1 melee duels, which is what the boss wave boils down to. A combination of the berserker native resistance, Parry active, and Coagulant can put your passive damage resistance up to 85%. Combined with blocks/parries the boss's melee will be doing less than 10 damage to you. The EMP grenade deactivates Patty's cloak.

TOP TIER: So good they're as close to mandatory as you can get without being 100% necessary. Are effective against both bosses even when stacked.

X number of Demos with RPGs and C4. Needs at least 1 spare RPG each due to ammo consumption. C4 can be attached to the Patriarch and will be visible when he cloaks. You see a levitating pile of blinking C4, no, the C4 didn't come to life, it's actually the Patriarch. Is also the best dps perk against Hans due to his weakness to the RPG, as well as the safest dps against Patty. Provides extra grenades for the medic. Buy a DBS in case it's Hans to use the recoil jump to escape his lunge, and a med pistol. His reactive armor also gives you a second life, letting you be more aggressive.

GOOD: Really good perks, but you're not going to be wanting multiples. Have valuable uses against both bosses, but due to diminishing marginal returns having a 2nd player of the perk isn't advised.

1 Support for dps, giving armor and ammo to players, and for killing the trash zed that spawn. Can also act as a secondary tank using the recoil jump from the dbs to safely keep the boss's attention. His reload speed with the DBS allows him to keep the boss' attention indefinitely as long as no projectiles are used. Can chip in damage against the boss with the AA12 and be a secondary medic with the HMTech-301.

Firebug. Arguably the best bodyshot dps against the Patriarch if not for the range problem making the microwave gun very risky. Still good dps against Hans. Can also clear trash. Heatwave is guaranteed to stumble both bosses if it isn't on cooldown. Hans is weak to fire, and dodges ground fire often enough that it becomes a reliable way of controlling his movement.

MEDIOCRE: Valuable on 1 boss in particular, or have deficiences that make it a risky take.

1 Commando to spot Patty if it's patty, and to kill the trash zed; it's not mandatory since a demo can stick C4 on Patty to make him visible anyways, and a Support with an AA12 can clear trash just as well.

Sharp: Needs headshots, damage skills require you to stand still and let the boss come closer. But with reload canceling, good aim, a good spot, and a team that knows how to distract the boss, you can contribute enormous dps. The freeze grenades can also immobilize Patty if 2 connect in close range, and give you a chance to kill him then and there. If you can consistently reload cancel the railgun this becomes Good/Top tier. If you can't do what I'm doing in the second half of this video, don't go sharp.

NO: Chances are that this is a idiotic pick. Has no special utility against either boss, or is heavily countered by one.

Swat: Bad DPS and no Patty callout. Flashbangs can't stun either boss unless you stack multiples directly under them, which is impossible due to the fuse timers spreading out the stun explosions as well as their massive stun resistance. SMGs are also less than adequate against the large number of gorefiends that spawn.

Gunslinger: You're gonna spend half the time reloading your .500s. Due to the small magazines the dps suffers due to being forced to constantly reload. Hans in particular hard counters the gunslinger due to his twitchiness and jetpack, which makes REM almost impossible to use, as well as the fact that his limbs are covered by a damage reducing armored exoskeleton, which counters Bone Breaker. Hans also has enough speed to chase down a gunslinger, making the speed advantage almost irrelevant since it only delays the inevitable. The only way I'll ever take this perk is if you are a human aimbot, and if you are a human aimbot, a reload canceled railgun is better.

Survivalist: Don't play survivalist.


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The following are the biggest causes of failing the boss
Not having a medic with Coagulant Booster and the medic AR. It is almost impossible to out-heal Hans' damage otherwise.

Not having a tank perk to control the boss's aggro. Management of the boss's aggression is paramount.

Picking an bad area to fight the boss. Hans and Patty often require different arenas to fight in, because they are fundamentally different. Hans is a speedy melee unit, while Patty is a slower sniper.

Being out of position and getting trapped, getting caught with no nearby cover with the Patriarch, or getting clustered near Hans' explosive grenades.

Having too many low DPS or precision based perks or skills. You're not going to be hitting headshots on the boss that consistently, especially Hans. Swat, commando, gunslinger, and M14EBR sharp in particular are bad for the boss wave due to low dps and/or headshot dependence. Certain perks like commando, which are exclusively useful against only 1 boss, are also bad ideas.

Failing to deal with the trash zeds that come during the boss round. Everybody is shooting at the boss and forgetting about that one guy stuck in a corner with 2 husks and a bloat. Do not tunnel vision on the boss. Keeping the team alive is the top priority, not a little bit of extra damage.

Not parrying the boss's melee attacks.

Leaving a player to fight the boss alone.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Reload cancelled railgun, eh?

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I reckon we could get to the Sui boss with me or Nickachu as medic and you as (whatever you're levelling today).


I'm happy to try but we were running almost full L25s and it was far from easy


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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Thoroughly enjoyed last night, and not just because I was troubling the leaderboard for once.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I think what stood out last night is that we were getting into very hairy moments (4/6 down, 15 left) and still surviving to the next wave.

Of course the issues were of our own making (also developing classes) but still, was most excellent.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
I think what stood out last night is that we were getting into very hairy moments (4/6 down, 15 left) and still surviving to the next wave.

Of course the issues were of our own making (also developing classes) but still, was most excellent


That was indeed tremendous fun. I was starting to get the hang of the Zerk after a while, though I will always pick up a nail gun when I have the spare cash.

Zerk was made about a hundred times easier with the application of a firebug.

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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
I think what stood out last night is that we were getting into very hairy moments (4/6 down, 15 left) and still surviving to the next wave.

Yes. I think it's mostly about being calm and not panicking. It's a game that is always trying to get you to lose discipline and then punishing you if you do. When we were camping Steve and I was looking out over the courtyard, I had total confidence that you all had my back and I could just stay looking forward -- which I think only failed once when we were under pressure from a spammy truckload of big zeds. In turn, that makes more more efficient at holding my own lane, to the point where poor Curio wasn't getting much action. But he could safely roam a bit further out into the courtyard, confident that I had his back, could thin the herd if he was getting swamped, and keep a path clear for him to retreat.

(That was a tremendous spot for a Commando, BTW.)

We were hilariously bad at Volter Manor though.


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 Post subject: Re: Killing Floor 2
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I can't believe we all got this for free and we're still deeply committed months later. The return on investment on PS+ just due to this alone probably justifies several years of subscription.


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