Do people like this still exist in mainstream politics? Incredible, really.

I have literally NO idea about Irish government, or the UDA, UDP, IRA, Sinn Fein or whoever these people are, so someone will have to either explain in very basic terms about who they are and why they matter(ed) or tell me what to think in a straight manner without any kind of satire/sideways glances/mocking because otherwise I won't get it.

I've just read that a candidate in Walsall lost his seat after 38 years. He'd been there since 1979.

Amazing! The longest I've had a job is 5 years....

How long do you think May will survive then?

There must be daggers out for her, Torys went from predicted landslide to hung parliament largely thanks to the way she was perceived.

Ok from what I know it's like this, any Northern Irish people please feel free to correct me if I've got any of it wrong:

IRA (Irish Republican Army) are/were Northern Irish paramilitary republicans seen as terrorists by the British
UDA (Ulster Defence Association) are/were Northern Irish paramilitary loyalists (to the Crown) seen as terrorists by the Irish

Sinn Fein is a political party that is/was endorsed by the IRA - left wing nationalists a bit like the SNP I guess.
Democratic Unionist Party is a political party that is/was endorsed by the UDA - right wing conservatives.

They both power share in Northern Ireland as part of the Good Friday Agreement (the binding peace agreement).

Define: EVEL

Has anyone seen any analysis of what happens to May's thin coalition majority in the light of EVEL and the reliance on Scottish Conservative MPs?

suggests that Ms May has a 65 majority in England

English Votes for English Laws.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/law ... lish-laws/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Loth ... l_election

Prevents Scottish MPs from voting on laws that only affect England and Wales. Designed by Cameron to shield the Commons from SNP influence. Now potentially about to backfire.

Surely the tories would have an outright majority if you only counted England or am I being thick?

People that understand - if this was a FPTP election, who would have won?

People that understand - if this was a FPTP election, who would have won?

It was a FPTP election. Do you mean PR?

There's no single system of PR, but let's assume we're using the simplest and taking the UK as a single electoral area distributing seats strictly on percentage. The Tories would get 42.4% of the seats (274); Labour 40% (260). The Lib Dems would get 48 seats.

Other systems would allocate votes/seats differently and all have their own quirks.

So very different, and naturally people might behave differently under such circumstances.

These are the Tories' new buddies:

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/ ... 1454678016

Meet the Conservatives new buddies: #GE2017 pic.twitter.com/IVo0aNxsFq

— Larry the Cat (@Number10cat) June 9, 2017

I've just noticed that Labour got the correct number of seats (ish) to match its vote share.

Yep, which is why even though Labour didn't win, to get 40% when the polls showed a double digit lead for the Tories even a couple of weeks back, it's an astonishing achievement.

Swivel-eyed Nicky Morgan calling for the PM to go in the "long term" already. Say what you like about the Tories but they're much better at getting rid of their unwanted leaders than Labour

viewtopic.php?style=26&p=911073#p911073

50 weeks ago.

It sounded like a speech given by an iPhone.

That, I suspect, is a big part of the problem all along.
No charisma = serious disadvantage. Corbyn might well have completely barking policies and a very tenuous grasp of economics (IMO) but he has charm and considerable resilience, not to mention absolute authenticity and, by and large, honesty. This stuff matters.

You would have thought she'd have shown a bit of contrition and a willingness to reach out to those who have voted against her party this week. But no, full steam ahead and ignore everything that's happened in the last 8 weeks.

That, I suspect, is a big part of the problem all along.
No charisma = serious disadvantage. Corbyn might well have completely barking policies and a very tenuous grasp of economics (IMO) but he has charm and considerable resilience, not to mention absolute authenticity and, by and large, honesty. This stuff matters.

"The issue is that the Conservative Party, nationally, have made a pig’s ear of the campaign.

"What Jeremy Corbyn has done has successfully done is to tap into people's weariness of austerity.

“If this campaign has taught us one thing is that it has nothing to do with Brexit, but lots of people are tired of austerity.

“If you knock on people’s doors like I have, you know what people are talking about.

"I hope that my further term is longer than my third term was.

I've just read that a candidate in Walsall lost his seat after 38 years. He'd been there since 1979.

Amazing! The longest I've had a job is 5 years....

But will the more tolerant, pro-LGBT wing of the Tory party rebel against this new alliance? That seems feasible.

I'm going to predict another election and hung parliament, but Tories and Lab to be neck and neck, maybe even Labour slightly ahead, especially if Boris is in charge

But will the more tolerant, pro-LGBT wing of the Tory party rebel against this new alliance? That seems feasible.

I'm going to predict another election and hung parliament, but Tories and Lab to be neck and neck, maybe even Labour slightly ahead, especially if Boris is in charge