Be Excellent To Each Other

Nah, they're vastly overrated.

I've tried a few but never got anywhere near finishing one.

They're really really good, mostly, but I do think there is a touch of nostalgia there too. I loved Ocarina of Time, it really is one of my favourite ever games. At the time it felt so epic and exciting, new and great, so I have a lot of strong emotional connections to that game (and the series).

However, without those previous positive connections and feelings, I'm not sure how well it'd stand up as there have been plenty of other epic, exciting games since I jumped on board the Zelda-train. Ocarina was great, for it's day, and introduced me to a lot, but also things have moved on a lot since then. I think that for a newcomer some of the mechanics in the older games might be a bit annoying and harder to overlook.

Where would you start though? I haven't played Breath of the Wild, but it seems like they've ditched a fair bit of the old habits (linear progression, locked off areas, overly hand-holding tutorials).

I've tried several, but never really got into any of them.

I got furthest on the Wii one, but only three hours or so.

Which one, Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword?

Despite being a big Zelda fan I never got particularly far in the latter.

The one I've put most effort into is A Link Between Worlds and while I enjoyed aspects of it, not enough to finish it. I think I got about halfway.

I gave up on Skyward Sword because fuck the Wii and it's stupid bullshit controllers; which was gutting as I generally love Zelda games.

I've only properly played Link to the Past and Windwaker, the latter I enjoyed the most. Looked lovely and was nice bezzing about on the waves.

Others I've started and given up on - the first hour or three do tend to be fairly unexciting and clingy.

I have a theory that you're either Zelda or Final Fantasy, never both.

You're my final fantasy.

Had a cursory look at FFVII on the Vita a while back. Might wait for the remake.

Never played either. Watched a friend play through Ocarina, but never been tempted to have a go myself. Never been a big fan of nintendo in general.

I like both

This is a poor theory so far

You're a poor theory

Even worse in practice.

Practice makes perfect!

Snuff of that

I like Final Fantasy, but Zelda is meh.

I loved FFX, it was another one of my top gaming experiences. I even cried a little bit at the end. But, it wasn't enough to really make me want to play any of the other FF games.

i've played a fair few zeldas, although I didn't finish them all for one reason or another.

- Link's Awakening (GB) - I got stuck in the penultimate dungeon and couldn't find the Fire Rod to melt the ice in the odd, jarring 2D platformer section.
- Ocarina of Time - Superb experience, finished it
- Majora's Mask - Got stuck for ages in the last temple and kept meaning to go back to it but never got round to it. The creepy, sad atmosphere in this game was excellent and the time mechanic was interesting
- Wind Waker - The art style was (while controversial at the time) amazing to me. FInished this one. I quite enjoyed the sailing. It did feel quite lonely.
- Twilight Princess - kinda meh, didn't really get far at all. Can't remember much about it.
- Phantom Hourglass (DS) - I really liked the revisiting of the central dungeon and getting a bit further each time. FInished this one. It was good.




I think so too - but it seems like this new one has tackled a lot of that.

I like Zelda.

FF6 is great, the rest are shite.

Like windwaker, for a while, the finish cap (gba), because it was nice and compact, and going on the train in the phantom hourglass... just played enough of the twilight princess, to use the hack... generally i'm already bored in the on boarding stages... but this seems quite nice..

Played FFVII and FFX to death but have since gone off the series, although I did buy the remake of FFX/X-II, but never checked the specs - I don't currently have enough space to actually install them

I think the only Zelda games I've started are Ocarina and Wind Waker, but never had the urge to complete either.

Completed VII through X, which were all good. Also, less good: X-2 (annoying poppy), XII (poor combat and forgettable plot) and XIII (poor world design, terrible combat, duff levelling system, awesome Afro) also Played through the Japanese version of the X remaster. Which didn't have a poo dub.

Zeldawise, completed windwaker (bestest) , ocarina, LttP, twilight princess, minish cap. Couldn't beat the fish boss in majoras mask (but I loved the game, second bestest)

I was going to write a post about how Breath Of The Wild really isn't like this, but then an article appeared on Eurogamer explaining exactly that

In a way it'd be good if Nintendo just 'did a Sega' and got out of the console business, to focus on software, then they could release this game on every format.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... generation

I've just been playing this on my lunch break and it's still brilliant.

I came to a section where I had to operate a giant maze from above. There was a ball in it that I needed to get out and I was using the motion controls so swinging the Switch about. Because it's a handheld, I was moving it about and lost sight of the screen so I detached the controllers, and placed the screen down on my dashboard.

I was then able to use the controller on it's own to maneuver the maze but best of all, I was able to flip the controller 180 degrees which flipped the maze and gave me a completely flat surface to which the ball (when it spawned again) was able to roll off to where I needed it to be.

I saw something on twitter earlier about WiiU copies being hard to find in the shops so I urgently ordered a copy from Amazon because I'm, apparently, very impressionable. Time to bum it hard.

Jim Sterling, Number 1 Boglin Boy, gave this a 7/10.

Who is Jim Sterling? I've seen his name crop up a number of times but don't know who he is?

He jizzes blue.

Game critic. Used to be the chief guy at Destructoid and had his video series The Jimquisition on The Escapist. Has since struck out on his own and posts stuff both on YouTube and his website funded largely by Patreon. His Jimquisition videos are mostly consumer advocacy (i.e. spotlighting shady shit from game publishers and developers) and his other stuff is either straight reviews or ripping the piss out of the awful shit that makes up a lot of Steam's Greenlight programme.

And he tends to use the full spectrum of numbers from 0 to 10 rather than just using 6 to 10.

A link to the review. beware the crying fanboys

Jim is entirely independent, and has to go out and buy copies of games for review from several companies (EA and Square Enix Japan, and of course Konami) due to his 'Wild Card' status. (IE giving out review scores lower than 9 or 10).

Ugh, I'd completely forgotten about the fucking bullshit stamina system from the last Zelda game until that review reminded me. And Jim's chat about weapons breaking confirms what I'd feared when I watched some videos of the combat.

Hilariously the comments on that page are no longer viewable because that aspect of the site's run out of memory.

I was expecting that review to be full of bile and hate but I'm pleasantly surprised. He does make some fair points but none of which make it a terrible game. The weapons that break is annoying. No two ways about that but the stamina wheel and the rain are all things that are easily managed.

Personally I think the game deserves a higher score but I can see from his writing that it's a good game and he did enjoy it... just with a few niggles.

Jim's scoring system is like Amiga Power and Edge, 5 is average. The fanboys tossing death threats don't understand this.

Let's not pretend he's the second coming of the Messiah. I've watched a fair few of his videos and I find him to be a fucking irritating self aggrandising cockbag.

Is it art?

In his defence, the 'persona' he puts on for the Jimquisition videos is just that and is a very exaggerated version of himself by his own admission.

In our defence, no one here has implied anything like him being the second coming of the Messiah.

Mentioning him in the same sentence as AP is as close as you'll get. Not to you, mind, cause you're not from WoS and no one knows where you came from. Some say you were birthed in a laboratory; some say you were hatched from a scotch egg - we'll never know.

Amiga Power wasn't exactly the first coming of the Messiah, to be fair.

Now, Your Sinclair...

(I merely mentioned AP as they similarly used the full range of their scoring scale, along with Edge.)

I've not finished the game yet but from what I've played so far I'd say his review is fair and balanced, but the things that he finds really quite irksome don't bother me so much.

My feeling at the moment is maybe 849/1000, although that may yet be subject to change, of course.

Why does it deserve a high score? What an odd idea.

I just would mark it higher than a 7. That's all. I think it's better than that.

That's brilliant.

My progress in this game remains slow but that doesn't matter because I'm absolutely loving it.

I'm supposed to be doing a quest but I keep getting sidetracked with fighting, killing and eating. It's glorious. Every place I go, I see things in the distance which sucker me into travelling further and further and before I know it, I'm miles away and it starts raining.

At first I was worried about my weapons being crap but I'm not starting to see some better weapons that seem to last a little while longer. I still run away from the majority of fights as I don't have any proper armour yet but that's ok. I'm sure that will come in time.

I haz this!

It's shit 5/10.

More thoughts when I open the wrapper.