But yeah... false economy really
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 18:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Home server RMD |
For years I've had an HP micro server type thing which has served me well, but just doesn't have anywhere near enough grunt to keep up these days, so I'm looking for a replacement. I don't really want a NAS, because I'd prefer to run Windows on the thing for various reasons, so I've been trying to see what's out there. What I'm basically after is: Windows machine (though I'll supply my own OS) Moderately quiet Not too power hungry (because always on) No need for graphics over and above onboard (unless there's benefits for e.g. GPU offloading) Four+ drive bays I'll use it for plex, backups, potentially running some VMs on, and I want to piss about with some dev stuff also. Only high demand stuff will be video transcoding. Thoughts, ideas? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 18:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
I suspect an external drive bay connected to a NUC is in your future |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 18:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Cras wrote: Only high demand stuff will be video transcoding. If you plan on using newsgroups and such, it'll also have to work pretty hard to process the downloaded files. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 18:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Grim... wrote: Cras wrote: Only high demand stuff will be video transcoding. If you plan on using newsgroups and such, it'll also have to work pretty hard to process the downloaded files. Valid, but that can be to some extent backgrounded. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 18:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
DavPaz wrote: I suspect an external drive bay connected to a NUC is in your future As far as I can tell, NUCs are expensive as fuck for no apparent reason. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 18:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
You could build a fairly nice and quiet PC for cheap that would do a job for you. All in one itx mobo, midi tower case etc |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 19:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Yeah, I have a feeling self-build might end up being the route to take. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 19:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Cras wrote: Grim... wrote: Cras wrote: Only high demand stuff will be video transcoding. If you plan on using newsgroups and such, it'll also have to work pretty hard to process the downloaded files. Valid, but that can be to some extent backgrounded. When you work it out make sure to tell me how to do it. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 19:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
By which I mean it doesn't have to do the work in real time, like transcoding on demand does |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 21:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Cras wrote: By which I mean it doesn't have to do the work in real time, like transcoding on demand does True, but if it starts decompressing while your PC is trying to transcode all the sads happen. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 21:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
There is that. Anything you can do with processor/core affinity? |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 21:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Grim... wrote: Cras wrote: By which I mean it doesn't have to do the work in real time, like transcoding on demand does True, but if it starts decompressing while your PC is trying to transcode all the sads happen. The answer is never transcode. My Microserver does everything else Cras listed flawlessly. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 22:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Admittedly my server doesn't run Windows, though. Also, you're gonna end up self-building I reckon. You'll have to put some effort into designing low-noise cooling though. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Jan 15, 2017 22:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Grim... wrote: Cras wrote: By which I mean it doesn't have to do the work in real time, like transcoding on demand does True, but if it starts decompressing while your PC is trying to transcode all the sads happen. The answer is never transcode. My Microserver does everything else Cras listed flawlessly. Or tell Sabnzbd to only transcode at 3am. That tends to run me out of hard drive space, though. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
sabnzbd doesn't transcode you n00b |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Whoops. I meant process. AS ANY FULE NO |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 16:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
It's looking like I can get a small/quiet box with an external USB3 enclosure for around £900 for the spec I want, or do the same thing in a Tower enclosure for around £800. Hmmm. More than I wanted to spend really, but I can't really get that price down without compromising on spec. That's for a Core i5/3GHz, 16GB RAM, and a 4TB external array (3x2TB Raid 5). |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Is there not a HP microserver with updated specs? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
They've dumped their home line and are all aimed at the small business space now. They're all Xeon based, so pricy and noisy. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
No calue in upgrading your server? I doubled the RAM and changed the CPU in mine. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Sort it out, Kov! |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
DavPaz wrote: Sort it out, Kov! Can you sort out my admission to your uni please? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: No calue in upgrading your server? I doubled the RAM and changed the CPU in mine. It's a custom motherboard format so no option to upgrade there, and the chipset is c.2009 |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Lonewolves wrote: DavPaz wrote: Sort it out, Kov! Can you sort out my admission to your uni please? Yep. £9000 please. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Give you're now looking at almost a grand, what about installing a NAS turnkey OS on the Microserver and running something like a NUC for Windows with the storage mounted? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Hmmm. Reusing the microserver as a NAS definitely has merit. I'd rather go direct USB/eSATA, but there'd definitely be a cost save to doing it that way. Interesting. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
DavPaz wrote: Sort it out, Kov! I will have a word. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Which microserver do you have now Cras? Let's thrash this out. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Mediasmart EX490. 2.2GHz Celeron with 2Gb RAM. There's plenty of online guides around to whacking FreeNAS on it, looks like. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
It's a socket 775 with a g33 express chipset. It could in theory take a Quad core q9650. edit: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from= ... 0&_sacat=0 Could be a nice boost for a few quids. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Only one memory slot is a bugger. I've never seen bigger than a 2GB DDR2 stick edit: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-GB-PC2-6400 ... Sw9GhYbmuB They do exist! |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
But yeah... false economy really
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
I don't want to upgrade it, I think that's wasted money and effort. That quad-core chip is eight years old and I can't see it being a vast improvement, even over a celeron |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Cras wrote: I don't want to upgrade it, I think that's wasted money and effort. That quad-core chip is eight years old and I can't see it being a vast improvement, even over a celeron Yep. I agree. It was worth a 10 minute look though. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Oh indeed sir, appreciate it! I think the idea of repurposing it as a NAS has legs, that'll probably save me a couple of hundred quid. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 17:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Cras wrote: Oh indeed sir, appreciate it! I think the idea of repurposing it as a NAS has legs, that'll probably save me a couple of hundred quid. Does it have Gb LAN? edit: Yes. I have the specs open in another tab Giphy "duh": http://media.giphy.com/media/147md7Nq2YZvc4/giphy-loop.mp4 |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 18:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
Regarding FreeNAS: It's very nice. But the banner feature, ZFS, may be too RAM-hungry for you. Also it doesn't support array expansion which is a pisser. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 18:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
I'd suggest its banner feature is 'free' 
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 18:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
There's a hojillion Linux options that are also free, but none of them have ZFS. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 15:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
So I fired the box up to give it a go last night, to a chorus of flashing red lights. A couple of hours of investigation, and it appears from everything I can tell that the SATA controller is toast. *Sigh* So scratch that idea, and I've shelled out for new stuff from scratch. Luckily there's not currently any RAID on the drives that are in there so at least I'll be able to pull the data off. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 15:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
How... convenient |
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| Author: | Cras [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 15:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home server RMD |
I'll not deny I'm one for throwing money at new shiny, but I was looking forward to pissing about with repurposing the old box. Now I'll repurpose it as a plant pot. |
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