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Author: | Squirt [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 17:09 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Morte wrote: Alan Tudyk steals the show as the Imperial droid. I loved his line about ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! - made me proper chuckle. I thought Forest Whittaker over did it a bit, I really liked the ground assault sections and the way the Rebels aren't quite as shiny and goody-goody as they sometimes come across as. |
Author: | Morte [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 17:57 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I thought while watching it that it proves that Star Wars can do slightly 'darker' stories and don't have to lean heavily on existing characters to present a definite Star Wars film. The more I think about it, the more I find to like about it. |
Author: | Squirt [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 18:12 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Morte wrote: I thought while watching it that it proves that Star Wars can do slightly 'darker' stories and don't have to lean heavily on existing characters to present a definite Star Wars film. The more I think about it, the more I find to like about it. I think the universe is interesting and well defined enough that they could make a film totally removed from the main film arc and it would work fine. You could make a film about a rag tag group of space outlaws doing something daring somewhere, without any Jedi or Death Stars or Grand Galaxy Saving Feats and it would still be recognizable as a Star Wars film if done right. |
Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 18:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Awesome. I couldn't go till tomorrow evening but I'm really looking forward to it. |
Author: | MrChris [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 22:39 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
It was fucking brilliant. Can't wait to watch again. Squirt, absolutely. There is a whole mythos, aesthetic and well, ecosystem to it and it would stand up well as a setting for many sorts of film. The bit in the space trading post was great. |
Author: | MrChris [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 22:46 ] |
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The bit with ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | MrChris [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 0:01 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Also, there were a fair few bits in the trailer that weren't in the film, interestingly |
Author: | Squirt [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:00 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
MrChris wrote: There is a whole mythos, aesthetic and well, ecosystem to it and it would stand up well as a setting for many sorts of film. The bit in the space trading post was great. I think a proper Star Wars espionage film set somewhere like that would be awesome - especially as a 15 cert. Imperial mole in the rebel spy ring, a brutal head of Imperial secret police, a jaded rebel spymaster and a population who'd actually rather they were just left in peace and are a bit ambiguous about the whole rebellion thing to begin with. |
Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 23:27 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
That was glorious. There's a few bits that could have been improved, but it was perfectly Star Wars in the way that the prequels weren't. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 14:02 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Really enjoyed that. Star Wars is back on form. |
Author: | KovacsC [ Sun Dec 18, 2016 21:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
That was amazing. Want to see it again. |
Author: | Hero of Excellence [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 0:27 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Also, there were a fair few bits in the trailer that weren't in the film, interestingly Yeah, I was surprised by that, to be honest. Most likely explanation being that the trailer featured footage from before the (allegedly quite drastic) reshoots. Beginning to wonder if the film was even darker before reshoots were demanded by Disney. |
Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:06 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Loved that. I too noticed that there were a lot of stuff in the trailer that didn't make the film. Someone Gaywood knows who does SFX for big films (Avengers etc) told me that they do about six versions of each scene anyway, one for the first trailer, another for the next one, one for the initial cut of the film, etc. So I can certainly understand there being differences, but it was especially noticeable. Overall though, I thought they nailed it. So much so that I think it will make enjoy Ep4 more. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:34 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Make enjoy Ep4 more you will. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:36 ] |
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Hero of Excellence wrote: Yeah, I was surprised by that, to be honest. Most likely explanation being that the trailer featured footage from before the (allegedly quite drastic) reshoots. I think so. Interesting piece from the Guardian about this: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... s-trailers This would be my main criticism of the film. I thought it had odd, lumpy pacing, where (I suspect) the stitches are showing between the pre-reshoot and post-reshoot material. Ideas are introduced but abandoned, or something is setup and then immediately brushed away. Vox does a good job of nailing the issues: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.vox.co ... oid-google I still enjoyed it, and the last act is great. But it wasn't nearly as good as TFA for me, which had a defter touch with its characters. |
Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:53 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I think that TFA benefits from being able to let the characters breathe more. You can get to know them a bit without their character/story arcs having to move too far. With Rogue One you need to have these brand new characters introduced and have everything happen to them within just this one film. K2 and possibly the blind chap aside, I don't think the characters were massively memorable. Most of them are fine, and I did care what happened to them, but that's about all. Part of the risk of having an ensemble cast in a compressed action film. There are definitely parts of Rogue One I liked more than TFA, but also vice versa. I'd put both in the top half of Star Wars films though. |
Author: | Cras [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:02 ] |
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The prequels, Caravan of Courage, and the Star Wars Christmas special don't exactly make that a high bar. |
Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:19 ] |
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Cras wrote: The prequels, Caravan of Courage, and the Star Wars Christmas special don't exactly make that a high bar. I like the prequels more than most, tbf. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I was more at ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! than the ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | MrChris [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 22:42 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
That moaney article was illinformed bollocks, rich. Eg the whole "ooh but at what point in the civil war was this set" - read the fucking rolling text at the start of ep4 - this was their first victory in battle. The "they never fully explained what saw's lot were doing", did the guy need this spoon-fed? They were extremists, this was explained fairly explicitly. Etc etc. The film was ace, anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong. PEW PEW PEW |
Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 22:51 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I agree with Mr Chris. You don't need back stories. These are folk that have joined the rebellion, to die for that cause. We know how it ends as A new hope, starts with the plans. |
Author: | myp [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 0:07 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I enjoyed this a lot, but some minor criticism: the first two-thirds of it were almost pitch black. I know it was meant to be darker tonally, but they didn't have to take it to a literal conclusion imo. It wasn't until they got to Scarafe that there was any colour. And it was the best part of the film. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | nickachu [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 0:33 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Also, there were a fair few bits in the trailer that weren't in the film, interestingly After seeing it twice, a lot of the trailer wasn't in the film. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! But overall it was thoroughly enjoyable. The CGI on Tarkin was really good, the one at the end not so good. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Curiosity [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 0:36 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Lonewolves wrote: I enjoyed this a lot, but some minor criticism: the first two-thirds of it were almost pitch black. I know it was meant to be darker tonally, but they didn't have to take it to a literal conclusion imo. It wasn't until they got to Scarafe that there was any colour. And it was the best part of the film. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! Racist. |
Author: | LewieP [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:56 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I thought it was OK. I didn't really think any of the characters were particularly interesting or engaging. I don't need a detailed backstory or anything, but I need a bit more to make me feel the stakes. The "Hey do you remember this from Star Wars" was laid on a bit too thick. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! The CGI faces were laughably bad. I'd have preferred just actors that look similar, or CGI faces obscured by being on a hologram, in shadows or something else to mask how creepy they looked. Best bit was the space battles, and seeing tie fighters, ATATs and X-wing facing off from the perspective of people on the ground. Mendelsohn was fantastic, but he always is. Most of the cast were pretty decent, I just think the hereoes were a little underwritten. I did like the darker tone, and it did have some great action sequences, but still only OK overall. I swear that one bit was taken straight from one of the Rogue Squadron games, 2 or 3 I think. Can we get a new one of those please? |
Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I have a dilema. As it is a 12A and quite dark, not your usual cheerful Star Wars. My son is 7 and wants to see it, not sure I should take him. |
Author: | Curiosity [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:36 ] |
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KovacsC wrote: I have a dilema. As it is a 12A and quite dark, not your usual cheerful Star Wars. My son is 7 and wants to see it, not sure I should take him. Tough call. We've decided not to take the 5 year old (not that tough a call). I guess it depends on what they like and whether certain scenes would affect or scare them. |
Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I don't think there were any scary scenes, just the over all darkness of it. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:17 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
LewieP wrote: I thought it was OK. I didn't really think any of the characters were particularly interesting or engaging. I don't need a detailed backstory or anything, but I need a bit more to make me feel the stakes. The "Hey do you remember this from Star Wars" was laid on a bit too thick. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! The CGI faces were laughably bad. I'd have preferred just actors that look similar, or CGI faces obscured by being on a hologram, in shadows or something else to mask how creepy they looked. Best bit was the space battles, and seeing tie fighters, ATATs and X-wing facing off from the perspective of people on the ground. Mendelsohn was fantastic, but he always is. Most of the cast were pretty decent, I just think the hereoes were a little underwritten. I did like the darker tone, and it did have some great action sequences, but still only OK overall. I swear that one bit was taken straight from one of the Rogue Squadron games, 2 or 3 I think. Can we get a new one of those please? From my point of view.. how much back story is needed. The rebels volunteered, on mission they new they might not return, I suppose they could have spent half the film introducing the chars, but there no new sequels, as they have already have been made. Rogue One literally. sets up a New Hope We know... ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! the CGI was not brilliant, but it worked |
Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:17 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I took my 5 year old son along (he's 6 in Feb). He really enjoyed it. |
Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:19 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Read after seeing the film http://www.cbr.com/what-rogue-one-compl ... -new-hope/ |
Author: | JBR [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:44 ] |
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Christ, that's badly written. |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:13 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
JBR wrote: Christ, that's badly written. Good lord, yes. My 8 1/2 and 10 year olds loved it, but they got a little teary when ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! Although I think Sam was more upset about ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Squirt [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
LewieP wrote: Best bit was the space battles, and seeing tie fighters, ATATs and X-wing facing off from the perspective of people on the ground. They got that across really well - the idea that from the perspective of the chap on the floor, ATATs are chuffing terrifying. Like in a WWII film where there's an infantry shoot out and suddenly a Tiger tank trundles into the village square. |
Author: | krazywookie [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 15:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
My favourites were the old school hard as nails RAF spitfire pilot style boys flying the x wings |
Author: | LewieP [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 17:14 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I'm not really saying I need more back story. I think I need more character development early on. I don't need to know what they had for breakfast, I just need a reason to care about them. A reason other than "the things that they are going to do matter in other star wars movies" |
Author: | Mr Dave [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 17:34 ] |
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LewieP wrote: I'm not really saying I need more back story. I think I need more character development early on. I don't need to know what they had for breakfast, I just need a reason to care about them. The reason: Because they had egg on toast. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 19:01 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
MrChris wrote: That moaney article was illinformed bollocks, rich. Eg the whole "ooh but at what point in the civil war was this set" - read the fucking rolling text at the start of ep4 - this was their first victory in battle. The "they never fully explained what saw's lot were doing", did the guy need this spoon-fed? They were extremists, this was explained fairly explicitly. Etc etc. The film was ace, anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong. PEW PEW PEW Self-Confessed Massive Star Wars Fanboy Unable To See, Acknowledge Flaws In Star Wars Film; More On This Story As It Develops. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 19:02 ] |
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Reminder: MrChris wrote: I also disagree that the prequels were unmitigated shit. They were sort of okayish, but they felt shit because they were a let down given what we might have been expecting. |
Author: | Hero of Excellence [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 19:10 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
The worst thing about the prequel trilogy is that The Phantom Menace is arguably the least worst of them, in retrospect. |
Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 19:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
LewieP wrote: A reason other than "the things that they are going to do matter in other star wars movies" But they are not..... that was the point |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 21:33 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, gaywood. I can't hear you over how awesome the film was. |
Author: | MrChris [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 21:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
Also, your American style headline writing renders you automatically wrong. Wronger, even |
Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 19:55 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rogue One |
DWP finds Peter Cushing fit to work: http://newsthump.com/2016/12/22/rogue-o ... rk-by-dwp/ |
Author: | Goddess Jasmine [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 21:27 ] |
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Just got back. Jen reminds me of Mrs A. |
Author: | Grim... [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 22:37 ] |
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Carrie Fisher has had a heart attack |
Author: | MrChris [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 22:52 ] |
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Wtaf. Fuck off 2016, fuck off |
Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 22:55 ] |
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Only one source for this at the mo but it doesn't sound good. |
Author: | Grim... [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 22:59 ] |
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They just mentioned it on The Last Leg. |
Author: | Goddess Jasmine [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 23:16 ] |
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She was on a plane from London to LA. |
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