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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 17:09 
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Morte wrote:
Alan Tudyk steals the show as the Imperial droid.


I loved his line about
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- made me proper chuckle.

I thought Forest Whittaker over did it a bit, I really liked the ground assault sections and the way the Rebels aren't quite as shiny and goody-goody as they sometimes come across as.


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I thought while watching it that it proves that Star Wars can do slightly 'darker' stories and don't have to lean heavily on existing characters to present a definite Star Wars film.

The more I think about it, the more I find to like about it.

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Morte wrote:
I thought while watching it that it proves that Star Wars can do slightly 'darker' stories and don't have to lean heavily on existing characters to present a definite Star Wars film.

The more I think about it, the more I find to like about it.

I think the universe is interesting and well defined enough that they could make a film totally removed from the main film arc and it would work fine. You could make a film about a rag tag group of space outlaws doing something daring somewhere, without any Jedi or Death Stars or Grand Galaxy Saving Feats and it would still be recognizable as a Star Wars film if done right.


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Awesome. I couldn't go till tomorrow evening but I'm really looking forward to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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It was fucking brilliant. Can't wait to watch again.

Squirt, absolutely. There is a whole mythos, aesthetic and well, ecosystem to it and it would stand up well as a setting for many sorts of film. The bit in the space trading post was great.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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The bit with
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Also, there were a fair few bits in the trailer that weren't in the film, interestingly

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MrChris wrote:
There is a whole mythos, aesthetic and well, ecosystem to it and it would stand up well as a setting for many sorts of film. The bit in the space trading post was great.

I think a proper Star Wars espionage film set somewhere like that would be awesome - especially as a 15 cert. Imperial mole in the rebel spy ring, a brutal head of Imperial secret police, a jaded rebel spymaster and a population who'd actually rather they were just left in peace and are a bit ambiguous about the whole rebellion thing to begin with.


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That was glorious. There's a few bits that could have been improved, but it was perfectly Star Wars in the way that the prequels weren't.


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Really enjoyed that.

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That was amazing. Want to see it again.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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Also, there were a fair few bits in the trailer that weren't in the film, interestingly

Yeah, I was surprised by that, to be honest. Most likely explanation being that the trailer featured footage from before the (allegedly quite drastic) reshoots. Beginning to wonder if the film was even darker before reshoots were demanded by Disney.


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Loved that. I too noticed that there were a lot of stuff in the trailer that didn't make the film. Someone Gaywood knows who does SFX for big films (Avengers etc) told me that they do about six versions of each scene anyway, one for the first trailer, another for the next one, one for the initial cut of the film, etc. So I can certainly understand there being differences, but it was especially noticeable.

Overall though, I thought they nailed it. So much so that I think it will make enjoy Ep4 more.

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Yeah, I was surprised by that, to be honest. Most likely explanation being that the trailer featured footage from before the (allegedly quite drastic) reshoots.

I think so. Interesting piece from the Guardian about this: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... s-trailers

This would be my main criticism of the film. I thought it had odd, lumpy pacing, where (I suspect) the stitches are showing between the pre-reshoot and post-reshoot material. Ideas are introduced but abandoned, or something is setup and then immediately brushed away. Vox does a good job of nailing the issues: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.vox.co ... oid-google

I still enjoyed it, and the last act is great. But it wasn't nearly as good as TFA for me, which had a defter touch with its characters.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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I think that TFA benefits from being able to let the characters breathe more. You can get to know them a bit without their character/story arcs having to move too far. With Rogue One you need to have these brand new characters introduced and have everything happen to them within just this one film. K2 and possibly the blind chap aside, I don't think the characters were massively memorable. Most of them are fine, and I did care what happened to them, but that's about all. Part of the risk of having an ensemble cast in a compressed action film.

There are definitely parts of Rogue One I liked more than TFA, but also vice versa. I'd put both in the top half of Star Wars films though.

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The prequels, Caravan of Courage, and the Star Wars Christmas special don't exactly make that a high bar.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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Cras wrote:
The prequels, Caravan of Courage, and the Star Wars Christmas special don't exactly make that a high bar.


I like the prequels more than most, tbf.

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That moaney article was illinformed bollocks, rich. Eg the whole "ooh but at what point in the civil war was this set" - read the fucking rolling text at the start of ep4 - this was their first victory in battle. The "they never fully explained what saw's lot were doing", did the guy need this spoon-fed? They were extremists, this was explained fairly explicitly. Etc etc. The film was ace, anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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I agree with Mr Chris.

You don't need back stories. These are folk that have joined the rebellion, to die for that cause.

We know how it ends as A new hope, starts with the plans.

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I enjoyed this a lot, but some minor criticism: the first two-thirds of it were almost pitch black. I know it was meant to be darker tonally, but they didn't have to take it to a literal conclusion imo. It wasn't until they got to Scarafe that there was any colour. And it was the best part of the film.

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Also CGI Leia was a bit creepy.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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Also, there were a fair few bits in the trailer that weren't in the film, interestingly



After seeing it twice, a lot of the trailer wasn't in the film.

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The bit with the tie fighter at the antenna. Whats her face shouting at the pilot when Jeddah is going down, K2 saying probablity of 97.5% and a few others I think


But overall it was thoroughly enjoyable. The CGI on Tarkin was really good, the one at the end not so good.

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I enjoyed this a lot, but some minor criticism: the first two-thirds of it were almost pitch black. I know it was meant to be darker tonally, but they didn't have to take it to a literal conclusion imo. It wasn't until they got to Scarafe that there was any colour. And it was the best part of the film.

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Also CGI Leia was a bit creepy.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One
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I thought it was OK.

I didn't really think any of the characters were particularly interesting or engaging. I don't need a detailed backstory or anything, but I need a bit more to make me feel the stakes.

The "Hey do you remember this from Star Wars" was laid on a bit too thick.

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R2D2 and C3PO particularly stood out there.


The CGI faces were laughably bad. I'd have preferred just actors that look similar, or CGI faces obscured by being on a hologram, in shadows or something else to mask how creepy they looked.

Best bit was the space battles, and seeing tie fighters, ATATs and X-wing facing off from the perspective of people on the ground.

Mendelsohn was fantastic, but he always is. Most of the cast were pretty decent, I just think the hereoes were a little underwritten.

I did like the darker tone, and it did have some great action sequences, but still only OK overall.

I swear that one bit was taken straight from one of the Rogue Squadron games, 2 or 3 I think. Can we get a new one of those please?


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I have a dilema. As it is a 12A and quite dark, not your usual cheerful Star Wars. My son is 7 and wants to see it, not sure I should take him.

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I have a dilema. As it is a 12A and quite dark, not your usual cheerful Star Wars. My son is 7 and wants to see it, not sure I should take him.


Tough call. We've decided not to take the 5 year old (not that tough a call).

I guess it depends on what they like and whether certain scenes would affect or scare them.

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I don't think there were any scary scenes, just the over all darkness of it.

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I thought it was OK.

I didn't really think any of the characters were particularly interesting or engaging. I don't need a detailed backstory or anything, but I need a bit more to make me feel the stakes.

The "Hey do you remember this from Star Wars" was laid on a bit too thick.

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R2D2 and C3PO particularly stood out there.


The CGI faces were laughably bad. I'd have preferred just actors that look similar, or CGI faces obscured by being on a hologram, in shadows or something else to mask how creepy they looked.

Best bit was the space battles, and seeing tie fighters, ATATs and X-wing facing off from the perspective of people on the ground.

Mendelsohn was fantastic, but he always is. Most of the cast were pretty decent, I just think the hereoes were a little underwritten.

I did like the darker tone, and it did have some great action sequences, but still only OK overall.

I swear that one bit was taken straight from one of the Rogue Squadron games, 2 or 3 I think. Can we get a new one of those please?


From my point of view.. how much back story is needed.

The rebels volunteered, on mission they new they might not return, I suppose they could have spent half the film introducing the chars, but there no new sequels, as they have already have been made. Rogue One literally. sets up a New Hope

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The rest are colour to a team that have a 100% chance of not making it back
C3P0 and R2D2, i think were there to show how close to a new hope it was, and to show why C3P0 did not know anything


the CGI was not brilliant, but it worked

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I took my 5 year old son along (he's 6 in Feb).

He really enjoyed it.

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Read after seeing the film

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Christ, that's badly written.

Good lord, yes.

My 8 1/2 and 10 year olds loved it, but they got a little teary when
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They did both say "wow, Darth Vader was evil". Like, duh. Of course he is. He became evil because his friend Palpatine made him cross about how the Jedi Council didn't recognise how awesome he was so he killed his wife.

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Best bit was the space battles, and seeing tie fighters, ATATs and X-wing facing off from the perspective of people on the ground.


They got that across really well - the idea that from the perspective of the chap on the floor, ATATs are chuffing terrifying. Like in a WWII film where there's an infantry shoot out and suddenly a Tiger tank trundles into the village square.


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I'm not really saying I need more back story. I think I need more character development early on.

I don't need to know what they had for breakfast, I just need a reason to care about them.

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I'm not really saying I need more back story. I think I need more character development early on.

I don't need to know what they had for breakfast, I just need a reason to care about them.

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That moaney article was illinformed bollocks, rich. Eg the whole "ooh but at what point in the civil war was this set" - read the fucking rolling text at the start of ep4 - this was their first victory in battle. The "they never fully explained what saw's lot were doing", did the guy need this spoon-fed? They were extremists, this was explained fairly explicitly. Etc etc. The film was ace, anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

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A reason other than "the things that they are going to do matter in other star wars movies"


But they are not..... that was the point

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, gaywood. I can't hear you over how awesome the film was.

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DWP finds Peter Cushing fit to work:

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