Bits and Bobs 47

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:01

Prejudism!

That's even worse!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:01

I'm evolving language.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:02

Cras wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Like homophobia means a fear of gay people? Language evolves.

I accept that it's more sexist, but a blurring of concepts is sometimes ok.

Unless you're blurring racism and racial prejudice

We can talk about the difference between the dictionary definition and the sociological definition of homophobia if you'd like?

Stephen Crabb this week has been a good example of someone not being the former while definitely being the latter.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Lonewolves wrote:

lasermink wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

lasermink wrote:

I don't remember it being outright racist, just very much based in the idea that blacks and whites have different roles to play.

Is that something you'd also say?

Saying women and men have different roles to play is pretty misogynistic tbh.

misogyny = hating women.

I don't see the point of blurring the concepts.

Like homophobia means a fear of gay people? Language evolves.

I accept that it's more sexist, but a blurring of concepts is sometimes ok.

But in Dracula, for example, women are revered and treated as something to cherish and protect. You can think of it is grossly misguided if you want, but it is at the same time diametrically opposite to hate. I just don't see how the word misogyny can be applied to that.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:16

No point arguing, he's Prejudismic.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

lasermink wrote:

But in Dracula, for example, women are revered and treated as something to cherish and protect. You can think of it is grossly misguided if you want, but it is at the same time diametrically opposite to hate. I just don't see how the word misogyny can be applied to that.

I'd say the 'usual' meaning of misogyny is the 'ingrained prejudice' one. Which isn't necessarily obviously expressed as hate, but as a belief that the whole sex has its place, can be objectified, etc. Does that fit Dracula better?

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:18

It's been a pretty busy week on the forum this week hasn't it?

I wonder if anyone has a graph of how many posts there has been compared to other weeks? That would be interesting.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:23

lasermink wrote:

But in Dracula, for example, women are revered and treated as something to cherish and protect.

Yeah, but that is problematic too as it's idolatory and objectification.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Lonewolves wrote:

Cras wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Like homophobia means a fear of gay people? Language evolves.

I accept that it's more sexist, but a blurring of concepts is sometimes ok.

Unless you're blurring racism and racial prejudice

We can talk about the difference between the dictionary definition and the sociological definition of homophobia if you'd like?

Stephen Crabb this week has been a good example of someone not being the former while definitely being the latter.

No need, I'm just needling you for insisting on absolute definitions for some terms and allowing fluid definitions for others. Because it amuses me.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

TheVision wrote:

It's been a pretty busy week on the forum this week hasn't it?

I wonder if anyone has a graph of how many posts there has been compared to other weeks? That would be interesting.

Ask a mod.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Lonewolves wrote:

lasermink wrote:

But in Dracula, for example, women are revered and treated as something to cherish and protect.

Yeah, but that is problematic too as it's idolatory and objectification.

I am not arguing that.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:32

lasermink wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

lasermink wrote:

But in Dracula, for example, women are revered and treated as something to cherish and protect.

Yeah, but that is problematic too as it's idolatory and objectification.

I am not arguing that.

Then we're in agreement.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:32

Cras wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Cras wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Like homophobia means a fear of gay people? Language evolves.

I accept that it's more sexist, but a blurring of concepts is sometimes ok.

Unless you're blurring racism and racial prejudice

We can talk about the difference between the dictionary definition and the sociological definition of homophobia if you'd like?

Stephen Crabb this week has been a good example of someone not being the former while definitely being the latter.

No need, I'm just needling you for insisting on absolute definitions for some terms and allowing fluid definitions for others. Because it amuses me.

Umm.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

JBR wrote:

lasermink wrote:

But in Dracula, for example, women are revered and treated as something to cherish and protect. You can think of it is grossly misguided if you want, but it is at the same time diametrically opposite to hate. I just don't see how the word misogyny can be applied to that.

I'd say the 'usual' meaning of misogyny is the 'ingrained prejudice' one. Which isn't necessarily obviously expressed as hate, but as a belief that the whole sex has its place, can be objectified, etc. Does that fit Dracula better?

You could say it's equally prejudiced against women and men, then. It's just Victorian gender roles taken to their literary extreme, basically. Against which the vampire provides the sexual undertow, which is the genius of the book.

Edit: Maybe "equally" is the wrong word since men and women weren't equals when it came to social rights and so on, but you get what I'm saying. It's gender roles.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 16:59

: stack overflow :

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

Cavey wrote:

: stack overflow :

lasermink wrote:

It's gender roles.

I rolled a 4 and a 3 what does that get me ?

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 17:11

zaphod79 wrote:

Cavey wrote:

: stack overflow :

lasermink wrote:

It's gender roles.

I rolled a 4 and a 3 what does that get me ?

I think it means you're a monster, Zaphod. You fiend. :cthulhu:

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

I'm not a Goth, but I've always fancied going to Whitby on Goth weekend. They have some cracking bands on.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2016 17:27

lasermink wrote:

You could say it's equally prejudiced against women and men, then. It's just Victorian gender roles taken to their literary extreme, basically. Against which the vampire provides the sexual undertow, which is the genius of the book.

This is probably what I was trying to get at.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

I can comfortably state that I've got rid of my beer gut as a seagull just shat on my shoe when I was standing up straight without hitting any other part of me.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

When do you think the WWI services will stop being routine? I mean, know it's the centenary for the next few years, but will it continue now that it's well out of living memory?

Just a thought

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:34

DavPaz wrote:

When do you think the WWI services will stop being routine? I mean, know it's the centenary for the next few years, but will it continue now that it's well out of living memory?

Just a thought

Interesting question.

I think it's going to continue for a long time. WW1 was so much of a shock to the country and shaped its direction so dramatically it's almost become what in other nations would be a founding myth.

Malc · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:37

DavPaz wrote:

When do you think the WWI services will stop being routine? I mean, know it's the centenary for the next few years, but will it continue now that it's well out of living memory?

Just a thought

Until a bigger war comes along? Although you still have things for Waterloo and so on

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:41

Malc wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

When do you think the WWI services will stop being routine? I mean, know it's the centenary for the next few years, but will it continue now that it's well out of living memory?

Just a thought

Until a bigger war comes along?

Didn't that happen in 1939?

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:44

Lonewolves wrote:

Didn't that happen in 1939?

British losses were far higher in WW1.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Malc wrote:

DavPaz wrote:

When do you think the WWI services will stop being routine? I mean, know it's the centenary for the next few years, but will it continue now that it's well out of living memory?

Just a thought

Until a bigger war comes along? Although you still have things for Waterloo and so on

Yeah, but not every year.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:48

Let's not forget we're in the centenary period for World War 1, so it's going to have more attention than normal, I'd say.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Lonewolves wrote:

Let's not forget we're in the centenary period for World War 1, so it's going to have more attention than normal, I'd say.

Well, yeah. I did say that in the initial post.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:51

I often shudder when I think about how close in time WW1 to us is.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Kern wrote:

I often shudder when I think about how close in time WW1 to us is.

Too right. My grandad was born in 1898 and lied about his age to sign up. Thankfully, he never saw any fighting.

And that's just 2 generations back.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:56

Soon the year of my birth will be further away from the present than the end of WW2 was when I was born.

miki · **Joined:** 30th Apr, 2011 **Posts:** 1458 **Location:** NL

In NL we have put it all together on may 4th and 5th
may forth we commemorate all the dead soldiers and civillians, in all the wars and "conflicts"
may fifth we celebrate our freedom

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 13:55

miki wrote:

In NL we have put it all together on may 4th and 5th
may forth we commemorate all the dead soldiers and civillians, in all the wars and "conflicts"
may fifth we celebrate our freedom

How crass. May 4th is Star Wars day.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Remember Alderaan.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

miki wrote:

In NL we have put it all together on may 4th and 5th
may forth we commemorate all the dead soldiers and civillians, in all the wars and "conflicts"
may fifth we celebrate our freedom

may sixth reserved for Alien Overlord day

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 15:19

Lonewolves wrote:

Soon the year of my birth will be further away from the present than the end of WW2 was when I was born.

Maybe.

miki · **Joined:** 30th Apr, 2011 **Posts:** 1458 **Location:** NL

lots of soldiers and civillians died in star wars

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2016 19:08

And self driving cars.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Love Island: WTF is that then? Media whores literally fucking each other for money and 'fame'?

Fucking shameless.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:37

DavPaz wrote:

Love Island: WTF is that then? Media whores literally fucking each other for money and 'fame'?

Fucking shameless.

It's way below the heights of Bridalplasty for sure.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:17

Fucking loved Bridalplasty.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:45

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:06

I have my first open water swim on Thursday, bloody nervous..

myp · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:08

KovacsC wrote:

I have my first open water swim on Thursday, bloody nervous..

Just don't go too far from the shore, you'll be ok.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:09

Take one of those foam floaty things.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6515

Consider using some sort of boat.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:12

Watch out for sharks and jelly fish.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:12

It is a local lake, only 500m I think..

I have my first open water tri in August

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:13

KovacsC wrote:

I have my first open water swim on Thursday, bloody nervous..

You normally swim under ice?

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