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MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I'd forgotten that one!

Who Do You Love?
You love Craster!
Why?
Because you quoted him the most. Look:

Craster 1722 times
Grim... 1417 times
MaliA 1063 times
Doctor Glyndwr 561 times
kalmar 478 times
Zardoz 463 times
myp 457 times
DavPaz 350 times
Curiosity 315 times
markg 301 times

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6516

Yay! Boss has just bought everyone beer, so we're all at our desks chugging down the brewskis!

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 16:20

I love Grim...

Grim... 508 times
myp 340 times
DavPaz 324 times
MaliA 323 times
Craster 319 times
kalmar 223 times
Zardoz 207 times
Doctor Glyndwr 194 times
Trooper 186 times
JohnCoffey 168 times

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Mr Russell wrote:

MrChris wrote:

Mr Russell wrote:

Finishing at 3 today, sneaking off and going for a lovely family Christmas.

Does Grim... know you're doing this, or are you surprising him?

Starting off by looking through the window, and upgrading to full tumescence once they're drunk and passing out.

Feex

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 16:23

Squirt wrote:

Yay! Boss has just bought everyone beer, so we're all at our desks chugging down the brewskis!

Am I the only one actually working?

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 16:29

MaliA wrote:

Squirt wrote:

Yay! Boss has just bought everyone beer, so we're all at our desks chugging down the brewskis!

Am I the only one actually working?

yup, i am playing destiny

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

No, I'm working too. Got another hour or so.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 16:30

MaliA wrote:

Squirt wrote:

Yay! Boss has just bought everyone beer, so we're all at our desks chugging down the brewskis!

Am I the only one actually working?

Yup. Today I've played Quake 2 with other folk in the office and watched The Grand Tour and now I'm going home.

devilman · **Posted:** Fri Dec 23, 2016 16:39

MaliA wrote:

Squirt wrote:

Yay! Boss has just bought everyone beer, so we're all at our desks chugging down the brewskis!

Am I the only one actually working?

I was working until a few minutes ago. Just finished a Skype call with a fella over in Toronto expecting him to lay even more work on me, but turns out he's really happy with what I've done so far and we've agreed that we're in a good spot to finish for Xmas, so that's exactly what I'm doing.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 21:33

Enforced Christmas eve fun!

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5167

We are going through all the Big Bang Theory Christmas episodes.

Grim... · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 21:49

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

We are going through all the Big Bang Theory Christmas episodes.

What did you do wrong?

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 21:52

We went carolling in The Village with about 100 others, looking at the Living Advent Calender. It was awesome.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

Took about another five goes of this and her shivering with the cold before she agreed that we could stop it and go for a hot chocolate instead. Well worth it for the pure joy, though.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:49

I don't have noise so you might have explained, but what is Bumboarding? Are you sat on a skateboard?

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

Yeah, just sitting on a skateboard and going down a hill.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

That's ace. My inner parent is horrified by the lack of helmets

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:09

That's quite the fucking hill!

[edit] It's health and safety DavPaz!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

Honestly I worry more about her falling over when she's running about than I did while we were doing that.

flis · **Joined:** 26th May, 2008 **Posts:** 3333

Mark, that was amazing - Look at her little face! :luv:

And then she runs back up the hill! What a little star she is.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12244

markg wrote:

Took about another five goes of this and her shivering with the cold before she agreed that we could stop it and go for a hot chocolate instead. Well worth it for the pure joy, though.

I mis-read this a few times as you forcing her to do it 5 times so you could film it.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2017 15:26

She fell off the other four times

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Mr Russell wrote:

markg wrote:

Took about another five goes of this and her shivering with the cold before she agreed that we could stop it and go for a hot chocolate instead. Well worth it for the pure joy, though.

I mis-read this a few times as you forcing her to do it 5 times so you could film it.

Not going near that.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

Grim... wrote:

She fell off the other four times

No, only three, but she was still crying and I hadn't quite managed to clean all the blood off her face on the fourth one.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5167

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Mr Russell wrote:

markg wrote:

Took about another five goes of this and her shivering with the cold before she agreed that we could stop it and go for a hot chocolate instead. Well worth it for the pure joy, though.

I mis-read this a few times as you forcing her to do it 5 times so you could film it.

Not going near that.

That on the other hand would be a fine title.

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:53

Someone just linked me to this page on Wikipedia.

Incredible.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:02

Oh my.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:03

You seem surprised.

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:07

I suppose in a sense I am. I always knew US cops were trigger happy, but seeing the difference between nations laid out in such a manner still rendered me speechless.

On an unrelated note, looks like someone's testing Companies House for SQL injection vulnerabilities.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

5 in the UK last year. 48 in the US in November last year.

There population is what, 5 times bigger?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:09

I think a better metric would be unlawful police killings.

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:11

Don't agree. A killing is a killing, and whether one is considered "unlawful" is a matter of opinion and is vulnerable to corruption etc.

Just seeing the raw numbers allows you to make your own mind up.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12244

It's utterly ridiculous, and yet they still bang on about terrorists all the time rather than look at their own failings.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:27

But, you can't account for loads of really important stuff just by looking at the raw data which could/would/should skew it (general availabilty of guns to population, population size, etc.). It's nice for an big headline fivure, but not much use otherwise.

By looking at killings that were considered unlawful, you'd get a better picture of how trigger happy the police forces are, as these are incidences where the other factors can be accounted for, by a degree.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14362

Rodney King disagrees.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:34

MaliA wrote:

But, you can't account for loads of really important stuff just by looking at the raw data which could/would/should skew it (general availabilty of guns to population, population size, etc.). It's nice for an big headline fivure, but not much use otherwise.

By looking at killings that were considered unlawful, you'd get a better picture of how trigger happy the police forces are, as these are incidences where the other factors can be accounted for, by a degree.

From the wiki article on US killings

Quote:

When deadly force is used within the prescribed manner, the killing is deemed a justifiable homicide. Some law enforcement agencies routinely investigate all uses of deadly force, while others investigate only cases involving extenuating circumstances. Other causes of death to suspects include accidents and police brutality. When circumstances surrounding a death are questionable, the death may be investigated by a state or federal agency or both.[10] Of the thousands of fatal police shootings from 2005 through 2015, 54 police officers were criminally charged as a result, and most of those officers were cleared or acquitted. According to a Washington Post report by Alice Crites and Steven Rich, officers who are convicted or plead guilty tend to get an average of four years of jail time, and sometimes only weeks.[9]

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:36

Yeah, but as a broad approach,you still need to slim the data pool down, as otherwise you have to toothcomb over it all. 'Unlawful' I think would give a better idea than 'All' as you can take into account a bank robbery gone wrong versus pushing people out of helicopters.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:47

MaliA wrote:

I think a better metric would be unlawful police killings.

lol

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Police unions are incredibly powerful in the US. Actually getting an incident classified as an unlawful killing is vanishingly unlikely.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

And you don't need to narrow it down anyway, because you're comparing like for like between countries. As long as you're using the same standard for both (all law enforcement killings) the comparison is valid.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

MaliA wrote:

Yeah, but as a broad approach,you still need to slim the data pool down, as otherwise you have to toothcomb over it all. 'Unlawful' I think would give a better idea than 'All' as you can take into account a bank robbery gone wrong versus pushing people out of helicopters.

"Unlawful" would give you no idea about anything, there are lots of places where cops kill people with almost total impunity so according to that metric the least trigger-happy cops in the world are probably blowing people away left and right daily in some third world ghetto somewhere.

Cops killed by civilians vs civilians killed by cops might reveal something about excessive force perhaps. But whatever you do unless you go to the trouble of getting out that toothcomb then there's a fairly high probability that you'll just be talking a load of absolute shite.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:55

If you're looking for 'X is more trigger happy than Y', I think some reflection of other factors is needed, as there's an implication of recklessness in the use of force.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:56

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Yeah, but as a broad approach,you still need to slim the data pool down, as otherwise you have to toothcomb over it all. 'Unlawful' I think would give a better idea than 'All' as you can take into account a bank robbery gone wrong versus pushing people out of helicopters.

"Unlawful" would give you no idea about anything, there are lots of places where cops kill people with almost total impunity so according to that metric the least trigger-happy cops in the world are probably blowing people away left and right daily in some third world ghetto somewhere.

Cops killed by civilians vs civilians killed by cops might reveal something about excessive force perhaps. But whatever you do unless you go to the trouble of getting out that toothcomb then there's a fairly high probability that you'll just be talking a load of absolute shite.

Oh, for sure it is a tricky problem to pull meaningful stuff from.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16561

This is great:

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12244

markg wrote:

This is great:

That's lovely. Although quite a difficult question.

Off the top of my head I can only get Germany, Italy, Denmark, and Finland,

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:21

Anything ending in "land", so New Zeland, Poland, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland and Thailand are the ones I can think of.

What's brilliant, of course, is that "Paris" is wrong twice

Curiosity · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:22

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

I think a better metric would be unlawful police killings.

lol

Quite.

Remember the guy that shot the black guy who was running away? Shot him multiple times in the back when in absolutely no danger whatsoever. As clear cut a murder as you will ever see. Then he planted evidence on the dead chap and pretended it was a struggle. Unfortunately it was caught on someone's mobile phone. You can watch it if you want. Horrible stuff, and no way on earth can anyone sensible not think it was straight up murder (from someone with a history of being a violent officer).

First trial for murded ended in a mistrial due to a hung jury. You'd have thought it would be easy.

Walter Scott if you feel like googling.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12244

Grim... wrote:

Anything ending in "land", so New Zeland, Poland, The Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland and Thailand are the ones I can think of.

What's brilliant, of course, is that "Paris" is wrong twice

Yes, she clearly panics and goes into deer in headlights mode.

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 13:32

I can sympathise.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12244

GazChap wrote:

I can sympathise.

What's the booth like on Eggheads?

Be Excellent To Each Other

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