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Is this stable enough to upgrade from 8.1 now, then?

Yay, all sorted. I just chose "don't have a key" and it activated fine.

Well, I'm interested in it because of the supposed benefits to VR (DX12 etc. I guess)

I actually claimed my free upgrade shortly after they were announced, downloaded it etc. and then never got around to installing it. Have deleted the files since, so does that mean that if I don't upgrade by the cut off point I've got to pay?

Hearthly wrote:

Amazing scenes.

Operating system in "does more stuff than show you things" shocker

Is the calculator better?

The Windows 10 free upgrade's clagnutted arsehole has now indeed pulled up its underpants, so you can once again update your Windows 7/8 PC without clicking on every single update's MORE INFORMATION button to see if it's going to do something to try and sneak Windows 10 onto your PC.

Oh no I only have four more years of support on Windows 7, much scary, so sad.

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Is the calculator better?

One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

LewieP wrote:

One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

And Logitech wheels :'(

Lonewolves wrote:

LewieP wrote:

One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

And Logitech wheels :'(

What the shit?

lasermink wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

LewieP wrote:

One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

And Logitech wheels :'(

What the shit?

They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution.

Lonewolves wrote:

lasermink wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

LewieP wrote:

One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

And Logitech wheels :'(

What the shit?

They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution.

How come you need to keep unplugging it?

Mr Russell wrote:

How come you need to keep unplugging it?

It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link.

Mr Russell wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

lasermink wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

LewieP wrote:

One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

And Logitech wheels :'(

What the shit?

They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution.

How come you need to keep unplugging it?

It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link.

Lonewolves wrote:

Mr Russell wrote:

How come you need to keep unplugging it?

It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link.

Hopefully Logitech are aware and working on a fix then.

Can you not change the Device Installation Settings (in System Properties) to "No"?

Anniversary update went live yesterday, it's a big one, from starting the download to the PC having finished the updates and approximately three thousand reboots, took the best part of an hour, and this was on nicely specced i5 PCs with plenty of RAM and SSDs.

The future is Windows 10.

No, the present is Windows 10. The future is Windows 14 or whichever random number they choose next.

Lonewolves wrote:

No, the present is Windows 10. The future is Windows 14 or whichever random number they choose next.

They've suggested there won't be another 'numbered' Windows after 10, they're just going to keep iterating 10 as the years roll by. (IIRC they explicitly said there won't be a Windows 11.)

Enjoy your slightly different notifications area and improved calendar!

The future is Windows 10.

Skype looks a lot better now (on Windows 10) not sure if that was included in today's update?!

Microsoft Has Changed Its Mind About Skype…Again
With Windows 8 and 8.1, Microsoft offered both “Skype for Windows” and “Skype for Windows desktop” applications. The “Modern” Skype for Windows application ran in the full-screen interface and was pretty flaky. Microsoft abruptly discontinued the Modern version of Skype a month before Windows 10 was released, announcing it was refocusing development attention on the desktop version of Skype Windows users actually used.

Windows 10 launched with a Get Skype application that encouraged you to download the desktop application. Windows 10’s first big update, the November update, added a few beta applications–Messaging, Phone, and Video–apps that worked with Skype. These are separate applications for text messages, audio calls, and video calls.

Microsoft has now changed its mind again and will discontinue those three separate Skype applications on the desktop. Instead, Microsoft will create a new universal Windows app version of Skype that will eventually replace the traditional desktop application when it has enough features. The Skype Preview application is now available.

A new feature in the Skype application will enable “messaging everywhere“. Use Skype on an Android phone or Windows Mobile phone and you’ll be able to send and receive SMS messages from your Windows 10 PC. They’ll just be routed through your phone via the Skype application. This feature was supposed to be implemented in the “Messaging” application in the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, but Microsoft changed its mind and removed the feature late in the development process so it could be added to Skype.

Has anyone tried the Android Cortana integration with Windows 10 yet? In theory it sounds useful to get phone notifications pushed into Windows Action Centre, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Possibly because the app is region-specific at the moment, so has to be installed via an APK in the UK.

Don't they need a special kind of camera or am I thinking of something else? In fact, is this known as Windows hello?

Hopefully Microsoft will just give up on trying to even get vaguely involved with games. After the GFWL fiasco (which has left some games broken forever, including our Saturday night favourite DiRT2), I'll never trust them with any games related tech ever again.

Author:	Hearthly [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:19 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
GazChap wrote: Is this stable enough to upgrade from 8.1 now, then? We've had it running for a few months now on both a clean build and a Win 7 upgrade, and both have been fine, although Win 10 did break the venerable old version of Photoshop that Mrs H has been using forever, but fortunately we have another install on a Win 7 machine in the house. I still don't think there's any compelling reason to upgrade to 10 if you've got a PC you're happy with, and are intending to retire it before the OS it's running goes out of support. (So in my PC's case, I'm on Win 7 which is supported until 2020, and there's no way I'll still be using it then, so why the hell I would bother with 10 I have no idea.) To my mind an upgrade to Win 10 gives you a best possible case scenario of your PC carries on running as well as it does now. (i.e. No change.) Every other result is just shades of things going wrong. At the end of a day it's an OS, it's just a platform to run other things on.

Author:	DavPaz [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:53 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
markg wrote: Yay, all sorted. I just chose "don't have a key" and it activated fine. I reckon if it's the same hardware, your system has been profiled on a server somewhere. When you reinstall it matches up fine and all is well.

Author:	GazChap [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 13:37 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Well, I'm interested in it because of the supposed benefits to VR (DX12 etc. I guess) I actually claimed my free upgrade shortly after they were announced, downloaded it etc. and then never got around to installing it. Have deleted the files since, so does that mean that if I don't upgrade by the cut off point I've got to pay?

Author:	Hearthly [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 19:09 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
GazChap wrote: Well, I'm interested in it because of the supposed benefits to VR (DX12 etc. I guess) I actually claimed my free upgrade shortly after they were announced, downloaded it etc. and then never got around to installing it. Have deleted the files since, so does that mean that if I don't upgrade by the cut off point I've got to pay? As best I understand it if you haven't actually upgraded before the cutoff date then you can't do so afterwards, irrespective of whether or not you've already downloaded the files or 'accepted' that you'd like the upgrade, or suchlike. However, if you upgrade to Windows 10 and then roll back, you can apparently return to Windows 10 at a point of your choosing in the future, including after July 29th. If you've got a specific reason for wanting Windows 10 (DX12 + VR in your case) then fair enough I suppose, although I'm a mega-keen PC gamer and I'm not sold on DX12 at all, Nvidia cards don't seem to be getting anything out of DX12, although maybe VR is a special case. Windows 10 has done well but not that well, I can't imagine any hardware/software producer wishing to alienate a massive percentage of their potential customer base with products that run substantially worse on Windows 7/8 and DX11 compared to Windows 10.

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 18:56 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Upgraded to win10, was surprised to see a load of the same programmes still installed, but seems pretty good so far, except that it has inverted my multitouch scroll function on the mouse pad, haven't looked how to fix that yet, but a bit strange!

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Author:	LewieP [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 19:13 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
I did the upgrade dance. Went for a fresh install. Christ there's a load of guff to get rid of from a fresh install isn't there? All the built in apps, integration to a load of services I'm not interested in etc. Took me about an hour to get set up properly, but I guess it's fine now. Some irritations: Opening a photo with the built in photo viewer prompts you to log in to an MS account. I have no idea why this is required to view a photo. It's fiddled with some keyboard shortcuts. I'm not allowed to use backspace for back in web browsers any more. The text has a weirdo blury look to it on lots of apps. I found a tool to fix it but I don't know why it was a problem in the first place (something to do with ClearType and DPI settings I gather) Lots of the UI is pleasant to look at, but there's some real inconsistent UI elements. Feels like there's still stuff in here dating back to the XP era, and even though they had a decent enough design for the new stuff they added, lots hasn't been update properly. The new action centre is nicer than the Win8 charms bar, but it's weird how interacting with it sometimes presents a clean new style menu, and sometimes an old one that looks really out of place. My twitter client of choice, which stopped getting updates prior to Windows 10 coming out has a little bug where sometimes there's a blank entry in the alt-tab menu for something called "NotificationView", which I guess is handling notifications, but it shouldn't be showing on the alt-tab menu (never did in previous versions). Positives: Boot time is way fast now. Some of the menu transitions and window animations are pretty fancy. Start menu is pretty good once you get rid of the live tiles and adverts. The new version of what used to be called aero snap is pretty nice. It's far from the car crash that 8 was. Overall I give it a C+. I reckon if they weren't laser focused on going after the mobile/tablet market, and tying people into their various different services, to the detriment of their desktop OS, it could be loads better, but they've done a far better job of mitigating the lack of focus here than they did with 8.

Author:	Hearthly [ Tue Jul 26, 2016 22:18 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
'Windows 10, mostly as good as what you already had, for most people, most of the time. You might think some bits of it look slightly nicer.' It's a stunning sales pitch.

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:22 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
okay, turns out i am not the only one wo have an inverted touchpad, but I can't find a solution. Doesn't seem to offer anything better than Win 7 at the moment.

Author:	markg [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:25 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
What are people expecting it to actually do? Give them blow jobs or something?

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:41 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Well, what the hell else is Cortana there for?

Author:	markg [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:42 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
re-enables Cortana

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:43 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Start \| Type "Mouse" \| Click "Mouse and touchpad settings" \| Change "Reverse scrolling direction"?

Author:	Hearthly [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
The Windows 10 free upgrade's clagnutted arsehole has now indeed pulled up its underpants, so you can once again update your Windows 7/8 PC without clicking on every single update's MORE INFORMATION button to see if it's going to do something to try and sneak Windows 10 onto your PC. Oh no I only have four more years of support on Windows 7, much scary, so sad. Attachment: yay10arsebollock.JPG

Author:	Bobbyaro [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 13:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
No, now you have to check if it is going to upgrade but charge you for the privilege.

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:34 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Anniversary update went live yesterday, it's a big one, from starting the download to the PC having finished the updates and approximately three thousand reboots, took the best part of an hour, and this was on nicely specced i5 PCs with plenty of RAM and SSDs. There are a few new features in there apparently but I didn't notice anything much different afterwards apart from them inexplicably having moved some things around slightly on the start menu for no apparent reason other than to cause minor irritation. Oh yes and there seemed to be advertisements in the tiles as well. Were they there before? Probably, but there seemed to be more though. Overall I would say Mrs Hearthly and Hearthly Jnr will notice very little difference, which is probably about the nicest thing I can say about it. Amazing scenes.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Hearthly wrote: Amazing scenes. Operating system in "does more stuff than show you things" shocker

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:15 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Grim... wrote: Hearthly wrote: Amazing scenes. Operating system in "does more stuff than show you things" shocker Well yes, I understand that, but was coming at it from the perspective of the 'users', which in this case is my wife and child who just want their PCs to behave in a consistent and predictable manner, and not annoy them. Then again, even if you look at what's going on behind the scenes in this update, a lot of it will be almost entirely irrelevant for many folks. http://www.howtogeek.com/248177/whats-n ... ry-update/

Author:	LewieP [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:17 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:18 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
My PC had updated myself when I got up, which was somewhat painless.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:18 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Is the calculator better?

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:22 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Kern wrote: Is the calculator better? You can can apply an exciting new 'dark theme' to it, which could be handy if you want to do sums whilst plotting Joker-esque machinations, I suppose.

Author:	Mimi [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:26 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Hearthly wrote: The Windows 10 free upgrade's clagnutted arsehole has now indeed pulled up its underpants, so you can once again update your Windows 7/8 PC without clicking on every single update's MORE INFORMATION button to see if it's going to do something to try and sneak Windows 10 onto your PC. Oh no I only have four more years of support on Windows 7, much scary, so sad. Attachment: yay10arsebollock.JPG Is that the banner you were talking about, Grim...? If it is, that is NOT the same blue.

Author:	TheVision [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:32 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Kern wrote: Is the calculator better? Very important.

Author:	myp [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:15 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
LewieP wrote: One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers. And Logitech wheels

Author:	lasermink [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:05 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Lonewolves wrote: LewieP wrote: One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers. And Logitech wheels What the shit?

Author:	myp [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:09 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
lasermink wrote: Lonewolves wrote: LewieP wrote: One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers. And Logitech wheels What the shit? They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution.

Author:	Mr Russell [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:11 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Lonewolves wrote: lasermink wrote: Lonewolves wrote: LewieP wrote: One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers. And Logitech wheels What the shit? They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution. How come you need to keep unplugging it?

Author:	myp [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:22 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Mr Russell wrote: Lonewolves wrote: lasermink wrote: Lonewolves wrote: LewieP wrote: One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers. And Logitech wheels What the shit? They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution. How come you need to keep unplugging it? It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link.

Author:	Mr Russell [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:30 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Lonewolves wrote: Mr Russell wrote: How come you need to keep unplugging it? It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link. Hopefully Logitech are aware and working on a fix then.

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:30 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Lonewolves wrote: Mr Russell wrote: Lonewolves wrote: lasermink wrote: Lonewolves wrote: LewieP wrote: One new feature is that they have broken compatibility with PS4 controllers. And Logitech wheels What the shit? They sent out a bogus update for Logitech devices which means if I unplug it and plug it back in again it forgets all my settings now. I still haven't found a permanent solution. How come you need to keep unplugging it? It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link. Be honest, you unplug it, sit in your seat, then plug it in as you pretend it is a real racing car.

Author:	myp [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:36 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Mr Russell wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Mr Russell wrote: How come you need to keep unplugging it? It causes input issues when using a controller and Steam Link. Hopefully Logitech are aware and working on a fix then. I very much doubt they give a shit about a seven year old steering wheel, but we live in hope. I think the issue is that Win 10 installs a second set of drivers that conflict with the Logitech Gaming Profile software, but I can't seem to get it working properly without that (admittedly old) piece of software.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:40 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Can you not change the Device Installation Settings (in System Properties) to "No"?

Author:	myp [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:55 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
Grim... wrote: Can you not change the Device Installation Settings (in System Properties) to "No"? I'll have a look at that when I get home

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Aug 03, 2016 14:21 ]
Post subject:	Re: Windows 10
The upgrade made a hostile attempt to install Razer's 'Synapse' software on both PCs because they have a Razer mouse and a Razer keyboard attached to them respectively. This is in spite me telling the Synapse install to permanently fuck off at the original Windows 10 install time. Also, it bundled it into the actual upgrade process at one of the many reboots, so to the less wary it would have seemed like a Windows thing rather than a third party piece of software. I told it to fuck off (permanently) once more. Maybe it'll listen this time. I appreciate Windows probably thought it was being helpful but both devices work perfectly without the Synapse software, which is notoriously buggy, naggy, and generally shit - hence me not wanting it on either PC.