It seems Microsoft are finally bowing to all the pressure Hearthly's been pouring on them and will be disabling the Win10 upgrade nagging after July 29th.

http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/08/wind ... disappear/

I expect they'll withdraw the free upgrades, then when takeup falls off a cliff, reintroduce it.

Win 7 will be dominating, until they pull the plug for support.

Win 7 will be dominating, until they pull the plug for support.

2020, then?

I wonder if Windows Mobile will still be a thing by then.

Adobe's pressuring of me to go the Creative Cloud rental route for Lightroom left a very sour taste in my mouth. Doubly so as in practice it means the release of lots of shoddy features essentially beta tested on users, leading to a very unstable program.

Because of this I take a very dim view of being nagged and pressured into things. I love Windows 7, it works for me and I figure on grimly holding on to it for as long as I possibly can. It's a relief that it appears Microsoft will stop finding ways to trick me into getting Windows 10 - something I may have gone for if there wasn't all the layers of skulking deceit surrounding it.

Windows Mobile hasn't been a thing for four years now.

What skulking deceit?

Microsoft can fuck off with how aggressively they're trying to push Windows 10 onto PCs.

It did a completely unwanted background download of 3GB onto my daughter's laptop, which doesn't sound like much but it only has a 120GB SSD in it with less than 10GB of free space. (I had to use the disk cleanup tool to get that space back. Thanks!)

They've pushed out multiple 'Recommended' Windows 7 updates that have increasingly ramped up the 'in your face' aspect of the Windows 10 push, we've gone from an icon in the taskbar and the occasional small popup balloon, to a massive window slapbang in the middle of the screen with a big PRESS THIS BUTTON TO GET FREE WINDOWS 10 arrangement which makes an unwelcome appearance every time you turn a computer on.

They've also now replaced the normal Windows Update window with an UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 10 button, you have to click on a small 'Show other updates' link to get to the normal Windows updates, and this morning the only normal Windows Update being offered is 'Recommended' and looking into what it actually does (before installing it, because I don't trust Microsoft any more) is...... Install the Windows 10 app which apparently helps users to understand their Windows 10 upgrade options.

If any other software behaved like this you'd damn near call it malware.

The only PC I'm concerned about being properly infected with an upgrade to Windows 10 is Mrs Hearthly's PC, as she's got an Administrator account on there so it'll let her do it (she is under STRICT INSTRUCTION not to do this), all the other computers in the house Mrs Hearthly and Hearthly Jnr only have normal user accounts, and the upgrade to Windows 10 will fail if it's launched from a normal user account. (I know this because the bedroom media centre PC has about fifty eight million failed upgrade attempts logged on it, thanks to Hearthly Jnr.)

Obviously I have Administrator accounts on all the computers but unless Microsoft actually mind control me I won't be pressing the 'upgrade' button on any of them, but it's still annoying and it makes me want to stick with Windows 7 until it goes end of life in 2020 all the more.

I think he means that you actually mean Windows Phone.

I think he means that you actually mean Windows Phone.

Doesn't really matter does it, it's not like anyone is using it whatever it's called.

One random gripe from me earlier in this thread:

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Tell that to my colleague who sits behind me.

I have to use it...

Why?

My works phone is Windows

Microsoft definitely need to rethink a few things that's for sure. Its store is no place to play games and it's ridiculous how you can not even run a game in proper full screen mode (only borderless window full screen) and thus, is very hateful toward enthusiasts. It also has an always on Vsync, meaning Nvidia G-sync does not work (bitter pill after you paid a premium for it really). No multiple GPU support (well not properly, see also borderless window) and so on. A really poor start and it's a shame, because most of the games they are giving away free or selling are actually pretty decent, just completely marred by the store.

Gaming is an important component of Windows OSs, mind.

Given that MS's current gaming push for Windows 10 adoption is centered around UWP stuff, it's entirely worth criticising it in that context. It is the focus of Microsoft's current efforts towards PC gaming, and it is currently not fit for purpose, by design.

Regardless of how successful their efforts are currently, clearly Microsoft do think some kind of gaming initiative is critical to Windows. They didn't drop $2.5b on Mojang/Minecraft to help shift Xbox consoles.

edit: It is out of support now. Extended support will be 2020

I would imagine folks moving off it in the next 12 months

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lif ... indows%207

If MS stick to their guns and make Windows 10 cost money for upgrades after the July cut-off date, I think that'll basically end people going for upgrades, and it'll be new sales only - it'll be interesting to see what the userbase is at that point, as there's still an awful of Windows 7 out there.

Does support for Win7 until 2010 include support for stuff like the bundled version of IE? Even if the OS is secure, I could imagine people would want to abandon an insecure browser (even though more people would likely go for Chrome or whatever on Win7 than upgrade to Win10 just for a new browser).

Security updates for IE will be included as part of Extended Support. (My old XP machine was getting security updates for whatever the last IE version was for XP whilst in Extended Support, and I can't imagine MS changing that model.)

Extended Support is mostly like normal mainstream support.

Not necessarily. No more patches

Not necessarily. No more patches

But that's nonsense. Windows XP left mainstream support in 14 April 2009. Look at all of these patches.

Another way of looking at this is: after a year of escalatingly strong nag screens, everyone who was going to upgrade will have already done so, so ending the free upgrade offer will make very little difference.

I haven't backed up my laptop in ages

I haven't backed up my laptop in ages and have too much work etc to risk it going wrong