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This is brilliant!

Quick, all man the tin foil hats !

On a side note, Cortana is most excellent. Ask her to sing you a song lol

She's been singing to me for ages on my phone. Ask her to tell you a joke too.

Yeah I did that. The meaning of life is funny too.. Her jokes suck though

Edit. She's definitely better than the ice cold Blackberry Bitch though

She can play my music too... She recognises artist names and everything! Wow.

One thing that I forgot (and now remember) that I dislike about W10 and W10phone is the prevalence of the 'Hub' - and the 'Hub' that is no such thing. Favourites in Edge should be a standalone item, not go to 'hub' then find them. People Hub is kind of like a hub. The Surface Hub isn't a Hub, its a big fucking touchscreen, and also there was also a Surface Hub app previously that wasn't a Hub either.

If there is a need for a 'Hub' then it should be a single 'Hub'. Not multi Hubs. Hub.

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I really don't like where "This PC" is on Windows 8 or 10. I much preferred its position in 7 - easier to get to, and I personally think it looked a bit tidier.
On another note, I just restarted again and it has finally activated. Yay!

I'm not touching a new MS OS until it's at least 6 months old.

Even if Win10 is less shit than Win8, I'm in no real hurry.

Hopefully this one will be as good as Win7 but with lots of improvements under the hood, and not too much unnecessary guff added.

It depends what you want an OS to be.

I just want to it be, y'know, an Operating System which I use to run other things on (the clue's in the name!).

Now I'm not a total Luddite, I don't crave for the days when we had to install Winzip to work with zip files, and a JPEG viewer to look at Dutch anal porn, and stuff like that, so extra functionality built into the OS can of course be a good thing - but in essence I want an operating system to be fast, unobtrusive, and most importantly just work.

As for performance boosts, properly using my four HT cores, and so on - yes of course that'd be nice, but I'm not going to do it at the expense of stability, compatibility, and so on. (I said over in the PC gaming hardware thread that I'd want to make sure all my old emulators work OK in 10 on a different PC before moving my main PC to it.)

Moreover, outside my occasional forays into the likes of GTA5, my PC is mostly used gameswise for the likes of Hearthstone, Pinball Arcade, WoW etc - none of which are at all demanding. (And since I got the 970 I can run GTA5 at 2560x1440 pretty much maxed out, so 'extra performance' is kind of a moot point anyway.)

I'll probably move over to Windows 10 within that one year window, but I'm definitely not jumping on board early doors, I'm going to wait and see what happens with DX12, and I wouldn't rule out sticking with 7 for years to come if 10 doesn't offer anything that makes it worth the switch. (In the same way I completely skipped Vista, going straight from XP to 7.)

10 is far faster than 7 any way. It uses the same tricks that 8 does for booting and shutting down.. I wouldn't say it's unstable. The only issue I have left now is that Firefox crashes if I open a second tab. I can't use Chrome any more as my lady and I found it was terrible with our internet connection for some unexplained reasons lost on me..

But yeah, thinking 7 is faster because it looks like arse toffees doesn't cut it dude. 10 is much faster..

Give it time. Couple of months you'll be here waxing lyrical. Don't you have a second machine you can play with it on?

I'd say you differ somewhat from the prevailing opinion, JC - most folks seem to be of the view that 7 is a superb OS, and 8 was a dog that was upgraded to 'decent' by 8.1. Still the standard rule of Microsoft OSs, that they alternate between awful (ME, Vista, 8 ) and great (2000, XP, 7) should make 10 a success

I can only go on my own experiences really, Cras. I was having severe performance issues in 7 with every PC I had (I7 950 with HT and a FX 8320 or three). And whilst at first 8 was very frustrating in the end I found that the only annoyances I could really mention were that getting into safe mode requires booting the OS first (a bit of an oxymoron if you are having issues) or to do it via a long process using the DVD and oh yeah, the driving signing was a PITA also as I used a couple of devices that were not signed (a LCD display screen over USB for example) and as such I would need to again go through the faff of rebooting the PC into non signed mode but you could not force it there all of the time.

And that's it. Any one who balked at the front end simply didn't give it more than two minutes before deciding its fate. Thing is once you learn to actually right click the front end was pretty good. OK so every now and then you would have to click the window and go back to the app screen and click desktop, but for the hardware support underneath that was a pain I could more than happily put up with. Even my lady, who was a staunch ally of Windows 7 and like Hearthy refused to switch to 8.1 took to it like a duck to water after I built her new PC.

10 is basically YosemiWindows and I absolutely love it. In fact, it goes one further than Yosemite as I ran that for about six months and it did feel kinda playschool-ey to me. Kinda like in some ways it had taken a step back from Mavericks.

But sticking to 7 now is pretty crazy given how old it is and how dated it is. Sure, you skipped 8 I can get that, but why on earth use something so old? We're all pretty tech driven around these parts surely you would want to use the latest and greatest and not be so damn stubborn about spending a day or two learning how to use it? honestly, for tech heads getting people to switch to Windows 8 showed me just how stubborn man can be !

8 is fine. At home I use it on both main machines, at work I use 7.

The change is seemless, there's just not a big difference.

I'm glad I upgraded and so far, I'm liking it but I only really use my PC for the internet and emulators so I had nothing urgent I need to make sure worked.

I used 8.1 before this and liked that too but I'm kind of missing my start screen now but there's not a massive difference between the two.

Still on XP (SP3!) here ...





... Yup, I'll fetch m' coat. "Taxi!"

I'd suggest changing that now it's no longer being supported.

I used 8, then 8.1 at work.

I use 7 at home, will be 10 when I get home.

I don't see any issues really, with any of it.

Erm, don't connect that to the internet then.

There are many critical security flaws that have been fixed (in Vista and later) since XP went out of support.

You can mitigate somewhat by using Chrome as your browser and a supported AV product (such as Kaspersky).

Overall though, no.

Yeah, I know I'm on borrowed time, getting new lappies next month. (Btw, does anyone still do new laptops with integral, hard wired, "real"/physical RS232 ports, does anyone know?)

Am on Kaspersky and only use Chrome - but more by accident than design, I have to say.

Not having to hover in the top right and click the Windows logo, then click desktop is rather nice. I don't know if they was a key combo to get you back if you opened a full screen app but yeah, that was my only minor annoyance with 8.1 and 8.

I mean, I actually quite liked Windows 8 and used it for well over a year.

Why is it 'crazy' to stick to an OS that is solid, fast, dependable, reliable, supported and proven?

If for some reason I had to use 8.1 (or 10) I'm sure I'd get used to them quickly enough and find them fine, but fundamentally I see an OS as a 'tool' as it were, it's just something that enables me to do the things I want to do on my computer - which is mainly internet/email and games, along with standard productivity such as Office, family photos and videos, media player etc etc. (Kind of the same as most people, I guess.)

I do have other considerations though such as remoting into work which requires special security plugins for IE and suchlike, I can't risk that stopping working, for example.

Point being, Windows 7 does all of that absolutely perfectly and dependably - I have no motivation to switch to a different OS at all. DX12 may change that over the coming months, I shall wait and see.

Glad to hear they've renamed it. 'My Computer' always sounded too twee for me, and changing it to 'Computer' (or something less polite) was always one of the first acts of customisation I did whenever I got a new PC.

Kerns next act of customisation is to alter the crash dialogue to have the title "suck it up bitch". He hates it when his computer is polite and friendly. *insert emoji here*

I miss the days of Guru Meditation, now that was a crash message.

We used USB to RS232 converters on a previous project.

It was always worse than that (BeeX summer re-run alert)



In my undergraduate days, my machine had one of those split and angled ergonomic keyboards and a trackball. Nobody bar me seemed to find this combination comfortable.

Because it's not fast, it's not supported and it's not proven?

It's old, doddery and should be laid to rest. Were you one of the XP hanger onners too? I recall loads of people saying the same thing about 7.

You've had to physically disable parts of your computer and you make the claim above.. Excuse me but

We've done that, but have issues with somethings not liking the usb drivers (modems and the like - yes, yes I know)

Come on old chap, at least make statements that have some grounding in reality.

Yes Win 7 is fast. Are 8/8.1 and 10 faster? Doubtless they are in some scenarios, but Win 7 is still fast. A Ferrari is faster than a Civic Type-R, but both are fast cars. I turn my PC on when I get home, by the time I've taken my shoes off it's sat at the login screen. That's fast enough.

Win 7 is supported fully by MS, and every software/hardware vendor in the world. What's your criteria for 'supported'? In fact, Windows 7 is actually better supported than Windows 10 at this moment in time.

As for 'proven'? You're really saying Win 7 doesn't have a solid and proven track record?



It's fairly old now, but 'doddery' is inaccurate and 'should be laid to rest' is a personal opinion.

And yes, I stuck with XP until 7 was well established and known to be solid and reliable.



I've disabled hyper-threading, that's it. (And since hyper-threaded cores are effectively virtual, I haven't physically disabled anything.)

XP only went out of support a week ago. Agree with your general point though.

Anyway, the most important question about Windows 10 - is quickedit mode turned on by default in a command prompt yet?

Aren't you thinking about Server 2003 there? XP was ages ago (April 2014).

Oh yeah, whoops.

Weird, last XP (not MS Office or whatever) Microsoft update was only a couple of weeks back, and it's only Pro running on an old laptop, not server. (But I think it was "embedded", i.e. pre-installed on the machine, which may make a difference with MS?)

Kov - yeah I know you can have USB virtual RS232s, but the archaic, proprietary comms software we have to use for downloading specialist equipment doesn't like them.

JC - sorry for going OT in your thread

MS are still releasing monthly Malicious Software Removal tools for XP, but that's it.

Quite a few big security holes have emerged since it went out of support, none of which are getting patched.

I don't think that's fair; a lot of people thought 8's interface was terrible certainly, myself included, but I don't think anyone ever claimed the OS itself was bad as such. It's just that it didn't bring any improvements I wanted enough to put up with the god awful UI.



We've argued this into the ground when you weren't here so I don't suggest we revisit the discussion at all but your above quote is pish dude. Plenty of people gave it a good go and just didn't like it. Sometimes people genuinely don't like stuff. That's how it goes.



This is a complete straw man you've just made up in your head. No one's suggesting not moving to it because they don't want to "spending a day or two learning how to use it". People are wary because a lot of products, especially major OS upgrades, have issues in the first few months which is a fact of life. And especially if you're quite happy with the OS you've got it makes perfect sense to wait. I'm not because fuck it, but I totally understand why loads of people will.

You just called the UI god awful. Considering what most people do all day is interact with the UI, I'd say that qualifies as a bad OS.

I don't agree. If the functional aspects didn't work (e.g. files deleted themselves, applications would crash all the time, etc) then it's a bad OS. If it's got an annoying UI then it's just got an annoying UI.

No, those are just two different ways in which an OS could be bad. If an average user is struggling to do the things that the OS is designed to do then it is bad.

Whatevs.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7961599?

16 times more draw calls in DX12 than 11, and Mantle kicking ass too (even though it's pretty much defunct now, shame).

Just switched to Edge after becoming frustrated with Firefox. I must say, I quite like it. Hopefully it will remain that way.

Please not the Win 8/8.1 front end discussion again

Bit hard when you didn't have the discussion in the first place.

Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.

Search Windows 8 on the forum,

People are talking about Windows 10 on a Windows 10 thread; it's perfectly relevant. You just seem to be getting in a weird snit because people aren't as eager to upgrade as you.

I will see what the fuss is tonight...

We should have three Windows 10 threads: One for people who like it, one for people who don't like it, and one for people who are on the fence, and would like to discuss it. Nah wait, that'd just be silly.

Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were my psychiatrist.

I'm not getting in a 'snit' (whatever that is) I came here to talk about Windows 10 and the use of it, not to say "Well I don't want it and because I'm that guy I'll just ruin the thread instead" (you know Hearthly, as you've been faithfully doing since 2001).

I'm not going to argue or debate with you over it because at my time of life I've realised that arguing on the internet is for wankers. You know? you don't earn a degree in it, it doesn't let you put your hand up its skirt and so on. It gains you absolutely no life skill whatsoever so yeah, as I said earlier whatevs.

I like it. I don't like how "Edge" does not allow Adblock yet and seems to be the only browser I can actually get working but you know? that's constructive criticism.

I've been using firefox, and it hasn't crashed on me, even with 10 tabs open.