Windows 10

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

I like to think that Achilles goes on wild mescaline benders and then decides to post a raft of enigmatic warnings to BEEX whilst on the comedown.

TheVision · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2015 17:22

I've read that Mission Impossible post several times today and I still can't get my head around it.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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RBR2 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2015 21:20

Malc · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2015 23:40

I wanted to watch a Blu Ray on my laptop. I cannot. Now, I knew that windows 10 lost the ability to play Blu Rays and DVDs, but I thought to myself, I own an Xbox one, and 2 Blu Ray players, I probably won't need to use my laptop to watch a Blu Ray.

How wrong i was. Eldest son playing on Xbox, daughter watching something on Netflix on dining room TV, middle son watching sky on living room TV.

Rats.

Why have they taken out the ability to play DVDs and Blu Rays natively?

I guess the answer is to save money. Still annoying though.

I know I can download or buy a 3rd party player. But it still seems silly.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Did Windows 8 actually have Bluray playback? Certainly Windows 7 didn't, to my knowledge. DVD stuff is easy and free to sort with VLC so I genuinely don't care if that's built in or not.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Achilles wrote:

Go back to Windows 7 till they fix it then? Got 11 months free trial remaining after all.

I may try it out on day 360 on a spare SDD.

Technically I think you have a 'forever' free trial. If you take the free upgrade to Windows 10 now that gets you a license which lasts forever (on the same, or similar, hardware at least). So even if you instantly revert back to an earlier version you can upgrade again whenever you want.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Blu-ray licenses cost a fortune, so it doesn't come with any version of Windows. You have to buy really expensive software, like PowerDVD, in order to have it. But if you buy ready made PCs with Blu-ray drives they will often come with OEM versions of PowerDVD preinstalled.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

lasermink wrote:

Blu-ray licenses cost a fortune, so it doesn't come with any version of Windows. You have to buy really expensive software, like PowerDVD, in order to have it. But if you buy ready made PCs with Blu-ray drives they will often come with OEM versions of PowerDVD preinstalled.

Aye, that's pretty much what I thought the situation was. I do wonder how they justify a cost for Bluray playback software that's more than stand alone hardware would run you, but what do I know?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

All the members of the bluray consortium make playback hardware, is probably the answer there

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

People still use discs?

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Hearthly wrote:

People still use discs?

If you can find me a streaming service with anything like the selection Lovefilm's post service I'll gladly switch.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:32

Yeah, but think of what they said in Star Trek, eh?

Now who's the fool?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Bamba wrote:

Hearthly wrote:

People still use discs?

If you can find me a streaming service with anything like the selection Lovefilm's post service I'll gladly switch.

Fair point, Mrs Hearthly gets stuff from Lovefilm for Hearthly Jnr as it far surpasses what we can stream in terms of selection. We're already paying for Netflix but not the Amazon equivalent (whatever it's called), and I'm loathed to have two streaming subscriptions on the go which won't get used much, instead of one that doesn't get used much

We have digitially purchased a few things from Amazon though, like, Mrs Hearthly got Ice Age for Hearthly Jnr the other day for £6, and it says we can stream it now as many times as we like.

Personally I prefer the permanency of having films on the NAS, having learned the hard way that adding something to 'MY LIST' on Netflix and coming to watch it a couple of months later doesn't work very well if it's been removed from the service.....

It was always said that legitimate services need to be better than piracy for people to stop pirating things, and yet it seems to me that the streaming marketplace is becoming irritatingly complex, fragmented, and undependable. How many fucking subs are we supposed to have on the go at once to give a reasonable chance of there being one of them offering a particular film we want to watch at any given moment in time?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

On the subject the main (easiest) 3rd party DVD player to use is VLC (Microsoft even recommend it) - and the reason it gets away with being free ?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-vlc-can ... microsoft/

VLC is 'French' so uses French law not American

Quote:

Patents and codec licenses Neither French law nor European conventions recognize software as patentable (see French section below).

Therefore, software patents licenses do not apply on VideoLAN software.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

VLC is the best media player for everything as far as I can tell, not just DVDs.

You can almost literally chuck fucking anything* at it and it'll just play it.

There are seven PCs/laptops in this house, VLC is installed and up to date on all of them.

Interesting to finally find out how they include DVD playback in there for free though, never really thought about it TBH!

* Media type file, obv.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

It still doesn't play Blu-rays, though.

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4668

mrak wrote:

I once leafed through a copy of the sheet music book for Fat of the Land. It was hilarious.

I listened to Fat of the Land recently for the first time in many years. It really hasn't aged well. But of course, times have changed and so have I.

I no longer have a car full of subs and 6x9s, loaded with mates, so maybe it wan't the 'optimal' listening experience either.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

The Xbox app refuses to use the dd/mm/yy date format.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

DavPaz wrote:

The Xbox app refuses to use the dd/mm/yy date format.

The sorting hat foretold this

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:54

No, Windows 10, I'm not going to install the 'language typing features' (whatever they are). Stop nagging me about it.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 13:03

It's rather nice, this. The little icons might take some getting used to, though.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Grim... wrote:

It's rather nice, this. The little icons might take some getting used to, though.

I adjusted to it pretty quickly and now the taskbar icons on my work machine look huge. I've actually only got two issues with Win10 now and apart from these I'm liking it:

It doesn't seem to handle switching between audio outputs at all well. Whenever I move between my monitor and TV I need to manually switch the 'default' audio device which is something Win7 handles seamlessly. In fact fairly often when I switch to the TV it won't recognise it as having audio playback capabilities at all and I need to reboot the PC to even get the option, which is fucking annoying.
The search fails in some weird ways. It'll turn up most of my apps but, for example, if I type 'Steam' it doesn't find the application and I need to go digging around in the All Apps list. Not sure what's going on there.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 14:57

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It's rather nice, this. The little icons might take some getting used to, though.

I adjusted to it pretty quickly and now the taskbar icons on my work machine look huge. I've actually only got two issues with Win10 now and apart from these I'm liking it:

It doesn't seem to handle switching between audio outputs at all well. Whenever I move between my monitor and TV I need to manually switch the 'default' audio device which is something Win7 handles seamlessly. In fact fairly often when I switch to the TV it won't recognise it as having audio playback capabilities at all and I need to reboot the PC to even get the option, which is fucking annoying.
The search fails in some weird ways. It'll turn up most of my apps but, for example, if I type 'Steam' it doesn't find the application and I need to go digging around in the All Apps list. Not sure what's going on there.

Yeah, I had that first one I think. I had connected via HDMI to a TV, and the output was more than happy to come out of the TV, then I unplugged from there, and then plugged into a monitor via HDMI, but the monitor did not have speakers. Despite that, the audio was still routed though "speakers on Panasonic TV" or some-such. And I had to change it to the laptop's in built speakers.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

I think Audio is a consistent bug with driver compatability. Doesn't particularly bother me as I tend to only use Audio in conjunction with my Bluetooth speakers which work fine, but on a couple of occasions where I've inadvertently had Bluetooth off but sound on, the Surface wasn't happy.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

Bamba wrote:

The search fails in some weird ways. It'll turn up most of my apps but, for example, if I type 'Steam' it doesn't find the application and I need to go digging around in the All Apps list. Not sure what's going on there.

This is a quote from the Ars article I linked on the first page. Maybe that's what bit you?

Ars Technica wrote:

Windows creates a per-user database containing all the entries that are in Start, both the live tile portion and the All apps portion. This database is (inexplicably) maintained by a system service running as the super-privileged SYSTEM identity. And at the time of writing, this database has the oh-so convenient feature of being limited to around 500 entries.

On fresh Windows 10 installs you'll probably never notice the difference, since it'll take some time to build up 500 or so entries. On my main PC with a full install of Office 2016, the Adobe Creative Cloud suite, Visual Studio 2015, Visual Studio 2013, and many more applications besides, I blew right past this number. The result? The All apps view didn't show all my programs. This would be tolerable if that's all that happened. Stupid and annoying, but tolerable, because since Windows Vista, I've launched apps from Start in exactly one way: by typing the name of the app to search for it. I don't really care about All apps at all.

Except that searching breaks, too. For search-to-start apps, Windows appears to use the same database. If that database is incomplete (because you have too many entries) then too bad, so sad; it won't find your apps and you'll have no good way of launching them.

Better yet, even if you reduce the number of apps to below 500 or so, it doesn't fix anything. There's no easy way to make it re-read all the short cuts in the Start menu directory (that still exists, because it's where installers expect to put their icons) to regenerate the database.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Nah, shouldn't be, I've got a pretty bare bones installation. Aside from the default stuff I've really just got the usual extra app (Firefox, Avast, Office, etc) plus Steam with about ten games installed. There's no way I'm anywhere near 500 apps.

TheVision · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 18:11

I'm the same and I think I had trouble finding Steam. Nothing else has cause me problems though so maybe it's just steam?

Either way, for the amount I use it... I can cope.

TheVision · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2015 19:31

I've just been looking at the maps app and specifically, the 3D cities. Wow! That's pretty cool!

I've just been flying around Las Vegas LIKE I AM THERE! Great stuff.

TheVision · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:04

So how long after installing Windows 10 do you think I should leave before deleting the Windows.old folder?

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:18

TheVision wrote:

So how long after installing Windows 10 do you think I should leave before deleting the Windows.old folder?

Good call, doing mine now. 19gb.

TheVision · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:30

I'm having trouble deleting my Windows.old folder. I've got passed the Trusted installer rubbish but it keeps saying that I need administrator permission to delete the folders, when I am the administrator!

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Technically you're an administrator. NTAuthority\System is the administrator. This information helps you not at all.

TheVision · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:55

You're correct... It doesn't!

Never mind as I'm now using the disk clean up programme... Sorry, app. It seems to be doing the job so far and is looking to save me 20 odd gig.

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:56

TheVision wrote:

You're correct... It doesn't!

Never mind as I'm now using the disk clean up programme... Sorry, app. It seems to be doing the job so far and is looking to save me 20 odd gig.

Sorry for the late reply. Yeah, that's how I had to do it also..

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

So I went and did it. I can't quite believe that the only thing I had to reinstall were the NVidia drivers. Everything else seems to be exactly as it was, even the games installed via Steam and all other drivers.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

Achilles wrote:

When do the subscriptions for updates to Windows 10 kick in?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... high-cost/

That was written almost 3 and a half months ago... when did Microsoft announce the successor called "Windows"? From everything I've seen, 10 is the last version of Windows - period. With updates from now on akin to OSX updates, and you'll only have to pay for it anything when you get a new PC.

[Edit] I've had a quick look around, and I can find only a few things mentioning the "Windows" successor, and paid subscription (here, and here) both of which mention that Forbes article as their source. And as far as I can see, that Forbes article doesn't really have any sources of its own, therefore I am reluctant to believe it.

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Of course there's an ulterior motive. Windows market penetration means Microsoft software sales. That doesn't in any way mean they'll start charging a subscription for Windows.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Fuck me, that forbes article is terrible.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:16

Cras wrote:

Fuck me, that forbes article is terrible.

BUT ACHILLES POSTED A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ABOUT A PHRASE THAT LITERALLY EVERY ADULT HAS HEARD A THOUSAND TIMES!

Stop what you were doing and pay attention to his banality!

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/16/82278 ... akes-money

Here's a better link with EVIL MICROSOFT being OPEN AND HONEST about how they want you to USE THEIR PRODUCTS and maybe even PAY FOR A PROFESSIONAL POLISHED SERVICE. The bastards

TheVision · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:48

So let me get this straight. Someone thinks that Microsoft is going to start charging for an operating system... Much like all the other operating systems that they've ever released.

The bastards..

Achilles · **Joined:** 15th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 484

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asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

I installed on a HP tablet that's getting on a bit now (2740p)

Have to say its better than I thought, right or left click on start do different things, one gives you old style PC settings the other the metro type stuff.

Integration is better as well, I have a MS Account for Xbox, Skype and One Drive, once logged in with this account all my settings come back. I like that once signed in the native photo app goes to my OneDrive Pictures and shows me those

A while before its on the primary PC though, next steps are to understand just what MS are getting in terms of data from me

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

I've finished decorating the man cave home office and got my main PC back in action, so I've been able to spend some time with Windows 10. I really like it. It's like Windows 7 R2. I especially like the speed graph on network transfers :geek:

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

DavPaz wrote:

I especially like the speed graph on network transfers :geek:

Server 2012 has been doing that for ages!

I'm sure Windows 10 is a very good OS, I just don't trust it with all my emulators yet. Although I was round a mate's house at lunch today doing a MAME tutorial, and that was all peachy on Windows 10, so that's one less thing to worry about. (He's a ZOMG FREE THINGS upgrade tart whereas I'm a slow and steady sort of chap who won't be swayed by the flashing lights.)

Based on my encounter today though, I agree with the 'Windows 7 R2' sentiment, it's not like booting up into Windows 8 for the first time and wanting to die.

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