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Author:  Pundabaya [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:17 ]
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To be fair, FO3 was set in a major target area... It would have been harder to get back up and running there. The Mojave less so and it was protected by Mr House.

NV was way more interesting... Everything tied together with the main plot line. FO3 felt more like an episodic tv show.... 'last week in the Capitol Wasteland: we cleared out a bunch of giant ants. In this week's show, we meet two wannabe superheroes'

Author:  Hearthly [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:19 ]
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Cras wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
It has to make some sort of sense.


8)

This is Fallout. It's not a serious drama. It's packed full of things that are deliberately outright ludicrous, and always has been.


That's probably why I think it's rubbish.

Then again I loved Borderlands 2 and that's bonkers.

We can only conclude that Fallout isn't great.

Certainly the trailer for Fallout 4 induced nothing other than boredom for me before its three minutes were up.

Author:  Morte [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:21 ]
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Yah boo sucks, much like the XCOM announcement, it's more Fallout, so Yay.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:22 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Cras wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
It has to make some sort of sense.


8)

This is Fallout. It's not a serious drama. It's packed full of things that are deliberately outright ludicrous, and always has been.


That's probably why I think it's rubbish.

Then again I loved Borderlands 2 and that's bonkers.

We can only conclude that Fallout isn't great.

Certainly the trailer for Fallout 4 induced nothing other than boredom for me before its three minutes were up.



Impressive. You have managed to reach a level of wrong somewhere approximating what you'd get if you multiplied Mr Chris and Nirejhenge. That's some going, there.

Author:  Dr Lave [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:26 ]
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Hmm, that trailer didn't make me engage my HHYPE MODE at all. Uh oh.

It doesn't look like the leap I was expecting in a next gen Bethedesa game. They are such dead places, with so little sense of actually existing. If that makes sense.

Author:  markg [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:27 ]
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Shut up all of you. It looks fucking ace.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:28 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
It's like the zombies in The Walking Dead two years after the outbreak that seem to have survived a couple of winters despite this being impossible. This stuff is important when you're trying to create a complete and cohesive alternative world if you're a weird mentallist obsessive who cherry picks odd stuff to worry about; no else cares.


I fixed that for reality, and everyone's reaction to you espousing this nonsense in the Walking Dead thread.

Author:  Dr Lave [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:29 ]
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I'm sure that with some gameplay footage I'll jump on board the HYPE TRAIN. Fallout >> Elder Scrolls.

Author:  sdg [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:08 ]
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Dr Lave wrote:
I'm sure that with some gameplay footage I'll jump on board the HYPE TRAIN. Fallout >> Elder Scrolls.

The trailer didn't make me feel overwhelmed at how innovative or incredible the gameplay or graphics look. Sure, it's a great improvement from the last Fallout but compared to other games we now have, the graphics really aren't groundbreaking and the character modelling and physics just looks a bit 'off' as usual. However, the thought of a new Fallout story, with new characters, which builds on the best bits of Fallout 3 and New Vegas makes me very excited. So the trailer only excites me because it seems to suggest more of the same and because of the meta, if that makes sense.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:13 ]
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markg wrote:
The comparatively rubbish soundtrack probably didn't help.


:o

Wash your mouth out with soap !! Fallout 3 had the best soundtrack ever !

In fact it opened up a whole new world of music to me. After playing the game I decided to download a load of Cole Porter's music (mostly written, he only ever sung two songs that I can find) and now it's a huge part of my music collection. On my wedding day I had "You're the top" played as my wife walked in :)

We both love that sort of music though. Most of the day we have The Ink Spots playing or something from that era :)

Over at the Nexus there's a GNR Enhanced mod which adds a gigabyte of 40s MP3s to the playlist. Sheer heaven :D

And Hearthly. We get it mate, you don't like it. Please don't obsessively ram that home. I've been waiting seven cold, dark long years for this game.

Author:  markg [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:15 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
markg wrote:
The comparatively rubbish soundtrack probably didn't help.


:o

Wash your mouth out with soap !! Fallout 3 had the best soundtrack ever !

Yes, but I was calling New Vegas's soundtrack rubbish compared to that of FO3.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:17 ]
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markg wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
markg wrote:
The comparatively rubbish soundtrack probably didn't help.


:o

Wash your mouth out with soap !! Fallout 3 had the best soundtrack ever !

Yes, but I was calling New Vegas's soundtrack rubbish compared to that of FO3.



Oh I see. Yeah, New Vegas' got a bit annoying. Johnny Guitar for example made me just want to cut my bloody wrists. I loved The Rues Brother's "I'm moving out" though.

BTW guys. I don't know if it's been posted or if any one else has noticed but if you go to Fallout4.com and pre order through Game it says "TBC 2015".

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:19 ]
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I was eating in a little french bistro a while back and they played 'I don't want to set the world on fire'. That was odd.

Author:  GazChap [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:32 ]
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Did The Ink Spots write all of their songs with the idea that they could potentially be used in post-apocalyptic fiction? They all seem to fit absurdly well.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:34 ]
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Cras wrote:
I was eating in a little french bistro a while back and they played 'I don't want to set the world on fire'. That was odd.


I think out of all of their songs I like "We Three" the best :)

Going back to the game. I'm starting to wonder if Bethesda have done a Valve on us. IE - pretty much finish the game and then announce it. Also this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comment ... fallout_4/

Though I can't vouch for its authenticity.

Author:  Dr Lave [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:43 ]
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sdg wrote:
Dr Lave wrote:
I'm sure that with some gameplay footage I'll jump on board the HYPE TRAIN. Fallout >> Elder Scrolls.

The trailer didn't make me feel overwhelmed at how innovative or incredible the gameplay or graphics look. Sure, it's a great improvement from the last Fallout but compared to other games we now have, the graphics really aren't groundbreaking and the character modelling and physics just looks a bit 'off' as usual. However, the thought of a new Fallout story, with new characters, which builds on the best bits of Fallout 3 and New Vegas makes me very excited. So the trailer only excites me because it seems to suggest more of the same and because of the meta, if that makes sense.


Absolutely agree with that. The really need to hire someone to get rid of the Bethedesa Mannequins style of animation.

Can't believe it's been 7 years since fallout 3. Feels like a couple max.

So glad it hasn't become a Assassins Creed yearly game. I'm ready to return.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:48 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Cras wrote:
I was eating in a little french bistro a while back and they played 'I don't want to set the world on fire'. That was odd.


I think out of all of their songs I like "We Three" the best :)

Going back to the game. I'm starting to wonder if Bethesda have done a Valve on us. IE - pretty much finish the game and then announce it. Also this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comment ... fallout_4/

Though I can't vouch for its authenticity.


That Reddit comment is interesting and generally sounds pretty legit aside from the idea of making a version of the last gen consoles and releasing that another year down the line. It's questionable whether they'd plan a last gen version at all but releasing it a year after the current gen versions is just bonkers.

Author:  nickachu [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:49 ]
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Yeeeesssssssss the main reason I bought a PS4 is finally coming!!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:50 ]
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That's pretty much what they did with GTAV, isn't it?

What is bonkers is the idea that the last-gen would have save import and the current-gen wouldn't. They'd have to actively put in a load of new content for the last-gen version to alter the world based on your FO3 choices, and that's just daft.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:52 ]
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I do, however, totally want the idea of an isometric view to be true.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:54 ]
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Bamba wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Cras wrote:
I was eating in a little french bistro a while back and they played 'I don't want to set the world on fire'. That was odd.


I think out of all of their songs I like "We Three" the best :)

Going back to the game. I'm starting to wonder if Bethesda have done a Valve on us. IE - pretty much finish the game and then announce it. Also this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comment ... fallout_4/

Though I can't vouch for its authenticity.


That Reddit comment is interesting and generally sounds pretty legit aside from the idea of making a version of the last gen consoles and releasing that another year down the line. It's questionable whether they'd plan a last gen version at all but releasing it a year after the current gen versions is just bonkers.



What's interesting is that the post was written 11 months ago yet she knew about the player character narration part. I've not really read on from there as if it is true it's one hell of a spoiler :)

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:03 ]
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Cras wrote:
That's pretty much what they did with GTAV, isn't it?


Unless GTA V got a release for the PS2 and OG Xbox I'm not aware of then no?

Cras wrote:
What is bonkers is the idea that the last-gen would have save import and the current-gen wouldn't. They'd have to actively put in a load of new content for the last-gen version to alter the world based on your FO3 choices, and that's just daft.


I don't disagree that having branching content in one version but not the other would be bizarre; but they can hardly implement save import on platforms which for which Fallout 3 save games couldn't actually exist.

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:31 ]
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GTAV had a delayed PC release, didn't it?

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 13:07 ]
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Cras wrote:
GTAV had a delayed PC release, didn't it?


Yeah, but how's that the same as releasing a game for a previous generation of console after the current generation?

Author:  Cras [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 13:37 ]
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I thought you were objecting to the fact that it was a staggered release for another platform, rather than the fact it was the order of current/last gen. So the PC release of GTA seemed a valid comparison in that sense.

And releasing the last gen version later would make sense - it's not going to be the market you're targeting where most of your sales are going to be, so it's a lower development priority.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 14:13 ]
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Cras wrote:
I thought you were objecting to the fact that it was a staggered release for another platform, rather than the fact it was the order of current/last gen. So the PC release of GTA seemed a valid comparison in that sense.

And releasing the last gen version later would make sense - it's not going to be the market you're targeting where most of your sales are going to be, so it's a lower development priority.


No, it was specifically the idea of doing this gen first then last gen a whole year later on I was on about. Your second paragraph even speaks to my reason for thinking it suspect; which is that a chunk of your market will have moved to the current gen platforms by the first release date and if you're not releasing for last gen until a whole 'nother year has passed then your market for those platforms has shrunk even further again.

Granted I genuinely have no idea what the split of sales for cross-gen games is between P33/360 and PS4/Xbone is at the moment but my instinct is that by the time the current gen hardware has been around for over two years you're not going to be making a whole load of cash on previous gen consoles.

Heh, although it's worth noting that all of the above was based on an initial misreading of that Reddit thing such that I thought the timeline had a whole year between the current and prev gen releases. I've no idea why I thought that and I realised on re-checking just there that I'd imagined it making a bit of a nonsense of everything I've just said! :belm:

Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 14:45 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Granted I genuinely have no idea what the split of sales for cross-gen games is between P33/360 and PS4/Xbone is at the moment but my instinct is that by the time the current gen hardware has been around for over two years you're not going to be making a whole load of cash on previous gen consoles.


My instincts tell me that previous gen consoles may still be doing a roaring trade in some areas of the world. This is however based on absolutely no research whatsoever but what I remember reading about the sale of PS2's in some countries long after I had made the jump to the 360 over here in blighty.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 14:51 ]
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What was the last big cross-gen game where current and prev gen versions were released simultaneously?

Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 14:55 ]
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Destiny was. I'd imagine there's been more recent stuff than that, though.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jun 04, 2015 15:10 ]
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As a very rough indicator then this article has only 17% of sales coming from the previous gen consoles. That's only first week sales though so it's possible the split evened up as time progressed.

Author:  Grim... [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:38 ]
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I was excited to see this on the Humble Bundle Store.

Right up until I saw £49.99p.

Fifty quid?! Fuck the fuck off.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:19 ]
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Pre order at Tesco £38.

But yeah, lately PC games have been creeping up in price.

Author:  Hearthly [ Sat Jun 06, 2015 16:33 ]
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Yeah but there's always the inevitable sale a few months down the line when it'll be twenty quid or less, and then stretching further out to the 12-18+ month timeframe, under a tenner or even under a fiver isn't an unusual price to see AAA games at.

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:25 ]
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Fallout 4 never coming to X360/PS3.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:03 ]
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Good, the last-gen consoles really need ditching now for games development going forward.

It's easy to see how game design has been constrained for quite a while now, especially by the RAM limitations which often led to small, segmented levels (Deus Ex HR suffered badly from this) or crazy streaming solutions like that required by GTAV.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Jun 08, 2015 22:41 ]
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Good. About time the old dinosaurs were made extinct.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 09, 2015 14:27 ]
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sdg wrote:
Dr Lave wrote:
I'm sure that with some gameplay footage I'll jump on board the HYPE TRAIN. Fallout >> Elder Scrolls.

The trailer didn't make me feel overwhelmed at how innovative or incredible the gameplay or graphics look. Sure, it's a great improvement from the last Fallout but compared to other games we now have, the graphics really aren't groundbreaking and the character modelling and physics just looks a bit 'off' as usual.


I read somewhere that this is because each object has to be drawn in frame and then a texture applied, then any lighting effects applied. Given the huge number of objects in a given room in F3, that is many calculations to render the frame, then apply physics to it. Other games do things different, by having loot in a chest for example.

Author:  Satsuma [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:09 ]
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Real life pip-boy for you to look ridiculous around town with.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/06/15/e3-2015 ... nstration/

The future of wearable tech is here.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:34 ]
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Combat-heavy E3 gameplay video


Author:  Bobbyaro [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:52 ]
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Wow, very combat heavy, looks okay, but doesn't fill me with awe.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 13:04 ]
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10th November. So I was right about Todd's obsession with fall!!

And I'm having that Pip Boy.

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 13:07 ]
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I don't think I played Fallout 3, I started a few times... I think Skyrim was the game that hooked me.

Author:  MrChris [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 13:26 ]
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Hmm. Looks ok, jetpacks look fun. Needs deformable scenery though.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 13:27 ]
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Bobbyaro wrote:
Wow, very combat heavy, looks okay, but doesn't fill me with awe.


Fallout 3 looks very combat heavy in the trailer. I mean, how do you translate a quest into video?

I'm somehat awe struck. It definitely looks like a whole new world graphically. I just hope it's a very long game and they got to complete it fully without leaving some things unfinished like Fallout 3. Going stealth was probably for the best and I can just about forgive them :)

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 13:59 ]
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Todd Howard runs you through the intro for the game and how to get yourself set up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2CCmkm0s9o

Fallout 4 Pip Boy edition to cost £100 and links to your phone via an app.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... al-pip-boy

Managed to trace the trailer song too !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXSUEU7ISfQ

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 15:20 ]
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That's left me rather cold, to be honest.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 17:23 ]
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All Fallout games start out shit, it's like a law or something.

Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:40 ]
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That looks like fun. Lots of fun.

Cracking song too.

Plus there are spaceships and shit!

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 20:49 ]
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Fallout 4 Modding on Xbox One!

(Skip to 2:30 or so)

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 22:19 ]
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Surely this was always available, it was simply a case of packaging the mods as official downloads and giving them away. In fact, I don't see how MS cold allow this to happen in any other way, unless the strict rules for 360 have been relaxed for bOne?

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