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Author:  MaliA [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 20:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Bobbyaro wrote:
Is this worth getting? Bear in mind I cba to finish new Vegas.


For the money, now, yes. It isn't as good as 3 or NV, it seems to lack some of their charm, dialogue choices are rubbish, but you can attach a sawblade to a hammer. And then,another.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 15:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Bobbyaro wrote:
Is this worth getting? Bear in mind I cba to finish new Vegas.


Depends on what you didn't like about the previous games. It's a lot more focussed on combat this time around and like 99% of quests boil down to 'talk to someone, go to a place and kill the people they want killed, return to original person for reward'. So it's more streamlined in a way but it lacks in variety and I personally didn't feel anywhere near as compelled to spend time exploring the world as I did with previous games.

Author:  myp [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:24 ]
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I should probably play Fallout 4.

After Dark Souls.

Author:  Morte [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:38 ]
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I honestly fell out of love with Fallout 4 pretty quickly after the initial OMG Fallout! reaction...the story just didn't engage with me and I just wanted to get it over with as soon as possible (or find away of destroying all the factions).

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:52 ]
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I loved it. The base-building and manufacturing I thought was excellent, the story was okay (it's not like they're ever great) and the only real disappointment to me was the lack of weapon customisation like in New Vegas.

Author:  nickachu [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:52 ]
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Morte wrote:
I honestly fell out of love with Fallout 4 pretty quickly after the initial OMG Fallout! reaction...the story just didn't engage with me and I just wanted to get it over with as soon as possible (or find away of destroying all the factions).



I liked it. It was good fun.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:53 ]
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Wait, what am I talking about? It had loads of weapon customisation. Idiot.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:55 ]
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Cras wrote:
I loved it. The base-building and manufacturing I thought was excellent, the story was okay (it's not like they're ever great) and the only real disappointment to me was the lack of weapon customisation like in New Vegas.


YOU COULD STRAP A CIRCULAR SAW BLADE TO A SLEDGEHAMMER

Author:  MaliA [ Wed May 30, 2018 11:12 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Wild card: Fallout 3 VR (for which I would be Day Fucking One Mofos.)


By the by, Ps vr is going to £199 in June with wipe out or something that I don't care about.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 30, 2018 11:32 ]
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COR!

Author:  krazywookie [ Wed May 30, 2018 12:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Wild card: Fallout 3 VR (for which I would be Day Fucking One Mofos.)


By the by, Ps vr is going to £199 in June with wipe out or something that I don't care about.

That's within my budget if it comes with techno dicks and if it doesn't it'll only take a couple weeks to get there. Psvr soooooon

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 30, 2018 12:11 ]
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krazywookie wrote:
That's within my budget if it comes with techno dicks and if it doesn't it'll only take a couple weeks to get there. Psvr soooooon

joinnnn usssss

Author:  MaliA [ Wed May 30, 2018 12:13 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
krazywookie wrote:
That's within my budget if it comes with techno dicks and if it doesn't it'll only take a couple weeks to get there. Psvr soooooon

joinnnn usssss


Thanks, mate

Author:  MaliA [ Wed May 30, 2018 12:14 ]
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krazywookie wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Wild card: Fallout 3 VR (for which I would be Day Fucking One Mofos.)


By the by, Ps vr is going to £199 in June with wipe out or something that I don't care about.

That's within my budget if it comes with techno dicks and if it doesn't it'll only take a couple weeks to get there. Psvr soooooon


I began to make noises over it last night. We shall see.

Author:  markg [ Wed May 30, 2018 12:55 ]
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krazywookie wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Wild card: Fallout 3 VR (for which I would be Day Fucking One Mofos.)


By the by, Ps vr is going to £199 in June with wipe out or something that I don't care about.

That's within my budget if it comes with techno dicks and if it doesn't it'll only take a couple weeks to get there. Psvr soooooon

You don't need techno dicks except for a few games.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 13:14 ]
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There are some where they aren't technically needed but significantly improve the experience though - such as Star Trek.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 13:21 ]
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markg wrote:
You don't need techno dicks if you want to only have half an experience and waste a massive part of the potential of the whole thing.


Feex.

Author:  markg [ Wed May 30, 2018 13:35 ]
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:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.

Author:  Satsuma [ Wed May 30, 2018 13:56 ]
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Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
You don't need techno dicks if you want to only have half an experience and waste a massive part of the potential of the whole thing.


Feex.


Feexed by the guy who refused to engage with the entire multiplayer component of Bloodborne.

Mind you, I agree that if you’ve got the cash for VR it does provide unique experiences for games despite not being “necessary” (whatever that means in the context of entertainment) so those without VR can still enjoy the vanilla experience.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 13:56 ]
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markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.


No one's said they're a necessity; the fact that they're technically optional isn't up for discussion.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 13:58 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
Feexed by the guy who refused to engage with the entire multiplayer component of Bloodborne.


I didn't like a thing you liked as much you liked it. Jesus Christ dude, get over it already.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:00 ]
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Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
You don't need techno dicks if you want to only have half an experience and waste a massive part of the potential of the whole thing.


Feex.


^this

Apart from Superhot, off the top of my head there's I Expect You To Die, Batman, Rec Room, Job Simulator. Hopefully soon, also Beat Saber. These games all leverage the inherently more natural-feeling technodicks to build more immersion and they simply don't work with a Dualshock.

Skryrim is (I am told) much better with technodicks too, and having tried both I much preferred Rush of Blood after I ditched the pad. And I cannot imagine playing Trek with a pad. It'd be hugely immersion breaking.

I think you're selling the platform short if you don't pick them up.

markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.
If you don't own them, then every game you've enjoyed hasn't needed them, by definition. If you haven't tried the games that do need them then you're not really in a place to advise, are you?

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:01 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
and having tried both I much preferred Rush of Blood after I ditched the pad


Wait, RoB is even playable with a controller!? Fucking hell, why would you even?

See also: Batman.

Author:  Satsuma [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:03 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
Feexed by the guy who refused to engage with the entire multiplayer component of Bloodborne.


I didn't like a thing you liked as much you liked it. Jesus Christ dude, get over it already.


Don’t get mardy over it. I couldn’t care less whether you liked it or not. Fact is, you didn’t engage with the multiplayer aspect and wasted “part of the potential of the whole thing” which was amusing as you’re critiquing someone for something similar.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:04 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
and having tried both I much preferred Rush of Blood after I ditched the pad


Wait, RoB is even playable with a controller!? Fucking hell, why would you even?

See also: Batman.

I read this as RoB the Robotic Operating Buddy from the NES as you could use a controller to play Gyromite instead of getting the robot to help.

Author:  markg [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
You don't need techno dicks if you want to only have half an experience and waste a massive part of the potential of the whole thing.


Feex.


^this

Apart from Superhot, off the top of my head there's I Expect You To Die, Batman, Rec Room, Job Simulator. Hopefully soon, also Beat Saber. These games all leverage the inherently more natural-feeling technodicks to build more immersion and they simply don't work with a Dualshock.

Skryrim is (I am told) much better with technodicks too, and having tried both I much preferred Rush of Blood after I ditched the pad. And I cannot imagine playing Trek with a pad. It'd be hugely immersion breaking.

I think you're selling the platform short if you don't pick them up.

markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.
If you don't own them, then every game you've enjoyed hasn't needed them, by definition. If you haven't tried the games that do need them then you're not really in a place to advise, are you?

I'm not in any place to advise because I've only played the games that actually appealed to me and found that almost none of them would really benefit from techno dicks?

In any case I'm only advising to go ahead and get a PSVR even if you can't afford techno dicks to go with it right away, because you'll have a great time and depending what sort of games you're even into you might never feel compelled enough to bother at all.

Author:  markg [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.


No one's said they're a necessity; the fact that they're technically optional isn't up for discussion.

A necessity for bothering to get a PSVR.

Author:  myp [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:35 ]
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Don't you have a wheel for playing PSVR driving games, Mark? IMO that's a necessity as playing with a pad would be so immersion breaking I'd rather not bother.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:39 ]
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I don't think it's in any way controversial to say that games that are designed to support custom controllers often usually benefit from use of those controllers. Equally there are VR games that aren't designed that way.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:41 ]
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A Fallout VR thing would certainly test my resolve on VR.

For about a millisecond. Then I'd remember that it's a pointless, expensive gewgaw that'll be forgotten. And is anti-disabled.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

How is it anti-disabled? More so than a pad, I mean.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:43 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
And is anti-disabled.

You mean exactly like every single games console controller ever made until last week?

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Satsuma wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
Feexed by the guy who refused to engage with the entire multiplayer component of Bloodborne.


I didn't like a thing you liked as much you liked it. Jesus Christ dude, get over it already.


Don’t get mardy over it. I couldn’t care less whether you liked it or not. Fact is, you didn’t engage with the multiplayer aspect and wasted “part of the potential of the whole thing” which was amusing as you’re critiquing someone for something similar.


This is thoroughly disingenuous, you totally care--for some bizarre reason--to the extent you're now banging on about it outwith the confines of the Bloodborne thread. It was irritating enough even when it was sort of relevant but in this forced context it's even more grating. Pack it the fuck in you weirdo.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 14:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

markg wrote:
Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.


No one's said they're a necessity; the fact that they're technically optional isn't up for discussion.

A necessity for bothering to get a PSVR.


I don't believe anyone actually said that did they?

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 15:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Pundabaya wrote:
Then I'd remember that it's a pointless, expensive gewgaw that'll be forgotten.


Pointless: only in so much as any leisure pursuit is pointless.
Expensive: well that's a personal decision of course. I'm more than happy with the value I've had out of mine and I suspect everyone else here who actually owns one will agree. Obviously that doesn't mean it's not too rich for your blood though.
"That'll be forgotten": I'm not really sure what this means? I don't spend a lot of time in my day thinking about my old Amstrad computer, but it was still good fun at the time it was relevant.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 30, 2018 15:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Bamba wrote:
I'm more than happy with the value I've had out of mine and I suspect everyone else here who actually owns one will agree.

Strongly endorse. This current wave of VR in general is intoxicating, and PSVR is comfortably the most cost-effective way to try it.

Of course, I've spent PSVR money on dinner for two on more than one occasion in my life, which I must acknowledge as a caveat.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 30, 2018 15:12 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Of course, I've spent PSVR money on dinner for two on more than one occasion in my life, which I must acknowledge as a caveat.

I hope that included Techno Dick pudding.

Author:  markg [ Wed May 30, 2018 15:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.


No one's said they're a necessity; the fact that they're technically optional isn't up for discussion.

A necessity for bothering to get a PSVR.


I don't believe anyone actually said that did they?

Kind of, the way your post read it was like it was almost a waste of time without them and my experience was that nothing could be further from the truth.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed May 30, 2018 15:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

markg wrote:
Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
:shrug: none of the games I've really enjoyed so far have needed them, I'd like some to try Superhot but that's it. Ultrawings, Skyrim, Resident Evil, Farpoint, Doom VR, GT Sport and the best PSVR game, Wipeout none of them need them. They're absolutely not a necessity.


No one's said they're a necessity; the fact that they're technically optional isn't up for discussion.

A necessity for bothering to get a PSVR.


I don't believe anyone actually said that did they?

Kind of, the way your post read it was like it was almost a waste of time without them and my experience was that nothing could be further from the truth.


Not at all; I've played enough of your examples to know that games designed purely for controller + VR headset can be awesome (Wipeout and RE to give a couple of example) but there's no doubt in my mind that when a game is designed to work with the Move controllers and you use them the fun/immersion factor goes off the scale. Therefore not taking advantage of these options would be a massive waste of potential to my mind.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 30, 2018 16:04 ]
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Also: request thread split of Fallout 76 stuff.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 16:12 ]
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Valid. Temp lock.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed May 30, 2018 17:11 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Pundabaya wrote:
And is anti-disabled.

You mean exactly like every single games console controller ever made until last week?


Yeah, right. Because disabled people haven't been using modded controllers forever. I can't see anyone modding a VR headset so that my brother (with his severely partial sight) could use it effectively. And my brother is a huge gamer, mostly golf games. On his massive TV that he sits right next to. He can't play shooters cos they're too fast paced.

Does he use his console to it's full advantage? No. But he gets enjoyment out of what he can do.

There was that one guy who played Halo with his face. He wouldn't be able to use VR at all, either.

VR tech at the moment is kind of all or nothing, if you have great( or at least even) eyesight, don't puke your guts up within 30 seconds of putting the headset on, and have enough limb mobility to operate the motion controls, then it's great.

I know it's optional at the moment, but someone's going to try to make it mandatory in the next wave of consoles, I can feels it.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 17:22 ]
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If it starts getting more prevalent (and frankly I expect it to remain niche) then the same motivation that today makes people create modded controllers will exist for VR controllers.

I don't know what constraints the heavily partial sight imposes but PSVR at least had no issues whatsoever being worn over glasses.

If there was a risk of VR games replacing non-VR it'd be a solid point. But there's very few VR only games and those that do exist have a fraction of the content of non-VR games.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 30, 2018 17:28 ]
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Samsung Gear VR as an additional example has specific projects aimed at the partially sighted, from auto-magnifying based on target distance to adaptive per-eye focussing, something that a TV cannot do.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 30, 2018 17:51 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
Then I'd remember that [VR is] a pointless, expensive gewgaw that'll be forgotten.


Pundabaya wrote:
I know it's optional at the moment, but someone's going to try to make it mandatory in the next wave of consoles, I can feels it.

whut

Author:  markg [ Wed May 30, 2018 18:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Fallout 4

Pundabaya wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Pundabaya wrote:
And is anti-disabled.

You mean exactly like every single games console controller ever made until last week?


Yeah, right. Because disabled people haven't been using modded controllers forever. I can't see anyone modding a VR headset so that my brother (with his severely partial sight) could use it effectively. And my brother is a huge gamer, mostly golf games. On his massive TV that he sits right next to. He can't play shooters cos they're too fast paced.

Does he use his console to it's full advantage? No. But he gets enjoyment out of what he can do.

There was that one guy who played Halo with his face. He wouldn't be able to use VR at all, either.

Has he tried VR at all? Apart from anything the display technology means that you can use it to ignore VR entirely and get the effect of sitting in the front row of an IMAX, you can also wear glasses whilst using the headset. Furthermore for other folks who don't have the fine control of their hands needed for many traditional games there are lots of experiences that consist of not a lot more than looking around. Overall I would say that VR has fucking great potential to be really enabling and open up some really fun experiences to people who might otherwise not get to enjoy them.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed May 30, 2018 18:32 ]
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Yeah, no. Basically, because it's retinopathy, strapping a screen in front of his eyes doesn't actually help much. How he explains it is that he has to use his less damaged bits of retina in order to gather information. So he'll literally stare at things out of the corner of his eye. His eyes are now different shapes due to scar tissue build-up. And his depth perception is very poor and also kinda messed up.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed May 30, 2018 19:21 ]
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VR is hugely beneficial to disabled people, in ways that are both related and unrelated to gaming.

Here's one article, there are hundreds of others all covering different disabilities and people: https://wheelchairlift.com/articles/hel ... l-reality/

Put simply: saying VR gaming is anti-disabled is, ironically, somewhat short-sighted.

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