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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 18:59 
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Call it a draw?


NEVER. Everyone knows that in the event of a draw the person who got the score first is the ultimate winnah.

Tell that to every sport in history.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 19:36 
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It's not, it's a satirical take on the clusterfuck that is Brexit in a Trials fashion, there are no winners.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 22:57 
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Lonewolves wrote:
It's not, it's a satirical take on the clusterfuck that is Brexit in a Trials fashion, there are no winners.

Except for Ian. Who is winnar.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 0:07 
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:52 
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Looks like Ian isn't the winnah after all


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Aww, we’re sorry Devilman, entries closed on Friday at midnight. Looks like I’m still Mr Winnah Man. (Shabba)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:40 
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I'm a long way from being an expert here, but I really don't see how any deal on the Irish border can simultaneously be acceptable to the Republic, the press / Hard Brexitish MPs, and the DUP. Someone is going get pissed off, which will either mean talks stalling, or there being a pretty good chance of the government collapsing.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:41 
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I'm a long way from being an expert here, but I really don't see how any deal on the Irish border can simultaneously be acceptable to the Republic, the press / Hard Brexitish MPs, and the DUP. Someone is going get pissed off, which will either mean talks stalling, or there being a pretty good chance of the government collapsing.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:43 
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Squirt wrote:
I'm a long way from being an expert here, but I really don't see how any deal on the Irish border can simultaneously be acceptable to the Republic, the press / Hard Brexitish MPs, and the DUP. Someone is going get pissed off, which will either mean talks stalling, or there being a pretty good chance of the government collapsing.


It's simply amazing how ill thought out and half arsed this whole thing is, and I'm amazed on a daily basis that presins whom I thought vaguely competent can continue down this car crash of a path. It, surely, must end soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:56 
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I'm a long way from being an expert here, but I really don't see how any deal on the Irish border can simultaneously be acceptable to the Republic, the press / Hard Brexitish MPs, and the DUP. Someone is going get pissed off, which will either mean talks stalling, or there being a pretty good chance of the government collapsing.


It's simply amazing how ill thought out and half arsed this whole thing is, and I'm amazed on a daily basis that presins whom I thought vaguely competent can continue down this car crash of a path. It, surely, must end soon.


Very much this. It's even more frustrating that all this damage is being done to keep the Tory party together and Mrs May in power, rather than attempt to find a broad consensus. I know the Tories tend to delude themselves into thinking that what is good for the party is good for the country, but by pressing for the hardest Brexit possible so she can keep the right-wing obsessives on side, she's caused immense damage.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:58 
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Kern, in May 2015 wrote:
Necessity
Yes, long overdue. Should have had one over Lisbon, frankly. For too long the EU has been an elitist project, and the public tend to be excluded and alienated from the communnity. I think the public are smart enough to decide on whether they are happy with the set-up or if we should bid a fond adieu.


I still agree with most of this. The whole EU question had been pushed away for far too long and we should have been debating and discussing our role in the world and the organisation for years. I just wasn't expecting the campaign to be so dire. Serves me right for choosing to suppress memories of the AV vote.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Squirt wrote:
I'm a long way from being an expert here, but I really don't see how any deal on the Irish border can simultaneously be acceptable to the Republic, the press / Hard Brexitish MPs, and the DUP. Someone is going get pissed off, which will either mean talks stalling, or there being a pretty good chance of the government collapsing.


It does seem to be an entirely unfixable problem. No customs union means a hard border, and Irish/Norn Irish politics can't accept a hard border.

And the government seem to be trying to ignore it.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It does seem to be an entirely unfixable problem. No customs union means a hard border, and Irish/Norn Irish politics can't accept a hard border.

And the government seem to be trying to ignore it.


It does show up how little most people in Britain, including those in government, think about that part of the Union. I think post-Good Friday most people saw the problem as 'solved' and went back to not really caring about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:09 
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Very good, but depressing, blog post I read over the weekend on how the Brexit position on the NI border is a fact-free quagmire: http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co. ... h.html?m=1


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I have people who work for me who commute over the border. They are understandably concerned.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:12 
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Hah! Amazingly pithy. Hard to refute though.

https://twitter.com/leighblue/status/937621794969747456


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:26 
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This is the first real time the UK is actually going to have to come up with a concrete position, with all the technical details ready.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:31 
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European editor for RTE, the Irish national broadcaster (and presumably trustworthy):
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 5467986944



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BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

So a hard border between NI and the rUK, if true. Good luck getting the DUP to swallow that.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:33 
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Huh, a customs border between two parts of the same country is a bit special. I wonder if that's happened before?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:36 
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With this whole mess, I really thought I'd see more comments from people who voted for Brexit who have since their minds, based on what they've seen following the referendum. However, I guess those who weren't paying attention at the time, still aren't paying attention, and still think everything is going to be wonderful. I've still yet to see one positive reason to leave.

At some point, I'll end up asking my boss if he would still vote leave, given a second chance, but I suspect I'll be disappointed by his answer. He voted leave as a protest against the government - I think he's a UKIPper. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
European editor for RTE, the Irish national broadcaster (and presumably trustworthy):
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 5467986944



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BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

So a hard border between NI and the rUK, if true. Good luck getting the DUP to swallow that.

Faisal Islam has it too
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 9668595713


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 13:02 
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Cue Scotland and every other bit of the UK that was a Remain majority asking for the same thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 13:23 
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Right; I'm being slow here:

Basically, NI won't have a hard border and for all intents and purposes would function as now. The hard border would exist on mainland GB. But, if NI has it, Scotland are going to want it. And, probably,Wales.

Is that where we are?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Brexit means Brexit!


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 13:43 
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Did anyone else see Jeremy Hunt’s comments about how if we don’t all get behind the PM, Brexit might not happen?
I wasn’t sure if that was a dire warning to the brexiteers, or a hint to the remainers that all is not lost.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 13:58 
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My gran could run a better brexit, and she's been dead 20 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Squirt wrote:
Cue Scotland and every other bit of the UK that was a Remain majority asking for the same thing.


Also exemptions for manufacturing, farming, education.... basically, it's a Swiss cheese model with very little actual cheese.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Nicola Sturgeon and Sadiq Khan have both issued statements saying "if NI gets to remain in the Single Market then we should too."


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 15:35 
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Robert Peston has written on Facebook says the Grauniad.

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Now it is with that very last concession that the PM is taking the political risk of her life, because in that concession she is in effect saying that a trade deal for the whole UK will also be based on a promise of close regulatory alignment between our country and the EU, in perpetuity.

That permanent regulatory convergence between the UK and EU is her preferred route, because without it her government would collapse: Northern Ireland’s DUP MPs, which are sustaining the Tories in office, have made it crystal clear that they will not accept a separate regulatory set-up for Northern Ireland from that prevailing in the UK as a whole.

But here is what I assume will be scaring the PM witless (it scares me, just as a bystander). She is signing up for close regulatory alignment between the UK and EU without ever having secured agreement for that from the cabinet.

And for Johnson, Gove and most of the other more ardent Brexiteers, in and out of the Cabinet, almost the whole point of leaving the EU was for the UK to “take back control” of setting rules and regulations for British businesses.


Oh. My.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It reminds me of this

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Two days later the animals were called together for a special meeting in the barn. They were struck dumb with surprise when Napoleon announced that he had sold the pile of timber to Frederick. Tomorrow Frederick's wagons would arrive and begin carting it away. Throughout the whole period of his seeming friendship with Pilkington, Napoleon had really been in secret agreement with Frederick.

All relations with Foxwood had been broken off; insulting messages had been sent to Pilkington. The pigeons had been told to avoid Pinchfield Farm and to alter their slogan from "Death to Frederick" to "Death to Pilkington." At the same time Napoleon assured the animals that the stories of an impending attack on Animal Farm were completely untrue, and that the tales about Frederick's cruelty to his own animals had been greatly exaggerated. All these rumours had probably originated with Snowball and his agents. It now appeared that Snowball was not, after all, hiding on Pinchfield Farm, and in fact had never been there in his life: he was living–in considerable luxury, so it was said–at Foxwood, and had in reality been a pensioner of Pilkington for years past.
The pigs were in ecstasies over Napoleon's cunning. By seeming to be friendly with Pilkington he had forced Frederick to raise his price by twelve pounds. But the superior quality of Napoleon's mind, said Squealer, was shown in the fact that he trusted nobody, not even Frederick. Frederick had wanted to pay for the timber with something called a cheque, which, it seemed, was a piece of paper with a promise to pay written upon it. But Napoleon was too clever for him. He had demanded payment in real five-pound notes, which were to be handed over before the timber was removed. Already Frederick had paid up; and the sum he had paid was just enough to buy the machinery for the windmill.

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