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| Author: | Findus Fop [ Tue Mar 07, 2017 14:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
DavPaz wrote: BOOO! *throws popcorn* YOW careful! *Hastily zips up flies* |
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| Author: | Kern [ Sat Mar 11, 2017 20:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Kern wrote: In other Brexit news, today I borrowed two books from the library: - 'Brexit: what the hell happens now?' by Ian Dunt - 'What next?' by Daniel Hannan Finished both. Ian Dunt does a good job of highlighting the complex web of agreements, regulatory agencies, and law that will have to be untangled, and how dangerous relying on the WTO rules would be. He also argues, correctly in my view, that the EU and the 27 have a heck of an advantage in any negotiation and that the government to date have not fully appreciated this. I also agree with his view that we will be in a very weak position when negotiating deals with other countries, and that we currently lack the institutional capacity to even do so. Dan Hannan is far more optimistic but fails, I think, to address the concerns raised by Dunt. I will, however, give him credit for being honest enough to admit that the result was nowhere near conclusive enough for a hard Brexit and that we should take the opportunity to rebalance our constitution towards a more federal UK. I always felt Hannan was stronger on the romantic side of leaving the EU and of discussing its institutional failings rather than the practicalities of extricating ourselves from it. In short, I'm even more depressed and angry after reading these books than I was before. Woe betide any canvasser coming to my door. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I see the pound is reaching new record lows today. Brexit champions will no doubt be happy that this pushes the FTSE further up, ignoring that it is not a good economic barometer, not least because the companies are more valuable because: 1) Their overseas earnings are now worth more 2) Stock prices rise when anticipating foreign buy-outs But yes! Let us take back control by selling all our assets! |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I've got a holiday to pay for in Euro in August, it better be fixed by then. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:51 ] |
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Grim... wrote: I've got a holiday to pay for in Euro in August, it better be fixed by then. Ahahahaha |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: I've got a holiday to pay for in Euro in August, it better be fixed by then. Pay it now! Or ideally, pay it in June 2016. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
https://www.ft.com/content/6735ffc9-fce ... f89be992ed Good news, let's go.for $1.05 to £1! |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I am increasingly convinced that this will join the poll tax and the Iraq war as one of the three biggest political disasters of the past thirty years. All those Tories who swallowed their doubts and voted for the A50 bill because of the 'will of the people' will in years to come decry ever having supported it. All the signs are there: a government determined to get its way, refusal to engage with critics, and ministers repeatedly asking us to trust them. On the plus side, it'll make for some fun history books. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
MaliA wrote: https://www.ft.com/content/6735ffc9-fce3-3ad0-9f79-0ff89be992ed Good news, let's go.for $1.05 to £1! At this rate , the NHS will be getting an extra £350 million a week, as a simple inflation adjustment. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Grim... wrote: I've got a holiday to pay for in Euro in August, it better be fixed by then. A sterling crash between now and then really not an appealing option |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:29 ] |
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On the plus side, I have some share options in dollars vesting in the autumn. A sterling crash then would benefit me quite a bit! |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Goddamn I shouldn't have cashed in my Honking Plonkers shares two years ago.
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Goddamn I shouldn't have cashed in my Honking Plonkers shares two years ago. The fight against capitalism is not a war without casualties, my friend, sacrifice is noble and to be expected. |
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| Author: | Hero of Excellence [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cras wrote: Grim... wrote: I've got a holiday to pay for in Euro in August, it better be fixed by then. A sterling crash between now and then really not an appealing option Particularly when Leavers will immediately start lecturing us "no hang on, this is good". |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Mon Mar 20, 2017 15:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Article 50 to be initiated on 29th March! All systems go! The next 24 months are going to be "interesting". The "Great Repeal Bill" will finally free us of burdensome EU Law by copy-and-pasting it directly into UK Law. Huzzah! |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Mar 20, 2017 22:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Giphy "article 50": http://media4.giphy.com/media/GA1Ezo3iCy6S4/giphy-loop.mp4 |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Mar 20, 2017 22:36 ] |
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Giphy delivers. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 17:30 ] |
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Not sure which one of these duplicitous cunts I hate more. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... -campbell/ |
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| Author: | Hero of Excellence [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 17:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I can't hate A. Campbell simply because he is vocally anti-Brexit. Honestly. Anything else in politics at the moment is of distant secondary importance. |
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| Author: | markg [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 17:58 ] |
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He's also pretty toxic by association to Blair. To a lot of people anything he says must be a bad idea. So I'm not sure he's doing a lot for that cause. I can't really think of any group whose mind he would change. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Mon Mar 27, 2017 18:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
At least he can just use the 'I was pissed all the time' excuse, and say that he's sorted himself out now so is totally down with all the shit he's doing and saying so we should pay attention to him. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Watching the whole of last night's 'Question Time Article 50' special reminded me why I don't usually watch QT. Nick Clegg was very good, Alex Salmond was surprisingly less annoying than usual (other than his saltire tie), and David Davis was a little bit too unrevealing and seemed to lack the firery passion he used to have. The audience were as irritatingly missing the point as usual and there was the usual rambling man making no sense. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Oh, and Sir Keir Stamner (sp?) came across as pretty confident but still trying to walk a tight rope. A painful reminder that with the right leadership we could someday have an opposition party. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I've read a few articles now that suggest David Davis has started to realise the complexity and impossibility of the task that lies ahead in the Brexit negotiations, and how woefully unprepared and understaffed the government is to take it on. (i.e. They'll never be able to deliver even the vaguest approximation of all the crap they've promised.) Maybe he's starting to have second thoughts? (I didn't watch QT by the way, there's far too much audience participation these days and has been for years, to the point that I invariably want to murder some witless cunt within the first ten minutes.) |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Hearthly wrote: I've read a few articles now that suggest David Davis has started to realise the complexity and impossibility of the task that lies ahead in the Brexit negotiations, and how woefully unprepared and understaffed the government is to take it on. (i.e. They'll never be able to deliver even the vaguest approximation of all the crap they've promised.) Maybe he's starting to have second thoughts? All political decisions disappoint or hurt someone. Balancing all the competing interests is the politician's art. I can't see a solution to the Brexit puzzle that's going to please all of the 52%, let alone the rest of the country. And, right now, the Tories aren't even laying the ground for a retreat if one becomes necessary. Quote: (I didn't watch QT by the way, there's far too much audience participation these days and has been for years, to the point that I invariably want to murder some witless cunt within the first ten minutes.) See also: public lectures. I came to hear the speaker, not a random member of the audience. If you can't phrase your question in one or two sentences, go and hold your own talk somewhere. |
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| Author: | Hero of Excellence [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 15:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Hearthly wrote: I've read a few articles now that suggest David Davis has started to realise the complexity and impossibility of the task that lies ahead in the Brexit negotiations, and how woefully unprepared and understaffed the government is to take it on. (i.e. They'll never be able to deliver even the vaguest approximation of all the crap they've promised.) Maybe he's starting to have second thoughts? That's why the government and the media are softening us all up for a no-deal Hard Brexit, on WTO trading rules. And will spin that as a victory. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 16:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I dunno. The Guardian was reporting today that insiders are realising how awful that would be and are trying to avoid it. But the simple answer is that whilst Brexit might not turn out to be a disaster in the long run, in the short term any deal we get with the EU will be empirically worse than our current deal. They're going to need a lot of jam and bunting to sell it. As an aside, fucking UKIP have realised that once Brexit happens they no longer have a reason to exist, and so their 'six tests' (always six!) have been made impossible to meet, so they have something to moan about. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 16:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Curiosity wrote: As an aside, fucking UKIP have realised that once Brexit happens they no longer have a reason to exist, and so their 'six tests' (always six!) have been made impossible to meet, so they have something to moan about. This sentence is hurting my brain. What do you mean? |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 16:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Curiosity wrote: As an aside, fucking UKIP have realised that once Brexit happens they no longer have a reason to exist, and so their 'six tests' (always six!) have been made impossible to meet, so they have something to moan about. This sentence is hurting my brain. What do you mean? UKIP will have achieved its mission so would be redundant. To stop this, they have devised 6 things they want fron Brexit, with varying levels of achievability. So, as long as these six things are not done, UKIP can continue. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 16:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Because otherwise the Establishment is going to betray their revolution. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 16:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Lonewolves wrote: Curiosity wrote: As an aside, fucking UKIP have realised that once Brexit happens they no longer have a reason to exist, and so their 'six tests' (always six!) have been made impossible to meet, so they have something to moan about. This sentence is hurting my brain. What do you mean? UKIP have come up with six tests that Brexit must meet to be acceptable. UKIP have made at least one of these impossible. UKIP have done this because their entire purpose was to achieve Brexit, but now that has happened they don't want to just walk away; they like the money they get and the feeling of importance! So rather than accept Brexit and become irrelevant, they need to find fault with it. Hence the tests. The impossible one is the budget and oversight one, FYI. |
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| Author: | devilman [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
One tiny, tiny positive of Article 50 being triggered is that the Facebook crowing from some of my Facebook friends that filled my timeline when they 'won' the referendum has been completely absent today. In fact, those friends have been very quiet on the subject for some time now. Maybe they're being quiet out of consideration for others, but I hope it's more down to the fact that they're realising that Brexit may not be a good idea after all. The Nick Clegg piece on Newsnight was pretty depressing viewing (not just because of Nick Clegg) where he visited Ebbw Vale. Locals moaning about immigration (it's 2% there) and EU money being spent badly in the town among other things (it looks like they received a fair amount of EU money went there, so I'm not sure where they think any more money is going to come from now). |
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| Author: | Jem [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I removed the only active supporter of Brexit from my friends list so everything is lovely in my Facebook bubble.  (Not for that reason - although I suspect he probably thinks it was.) |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Here's the exit letter, via gov.uk. The TL;DR: Quote: It's not you, it's me
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| Author: | MrChris [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:59 ] |
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Jesus Christ that goes on. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 13:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
This is what taking back control looks like: The Prime Minister wrote: We also understand that there will be consequences for the UK of leaving the EU: we know that we will lose influence over the rules that affect the European economy. We also know that UK companies will, as they trade within the EU, have to align with rules agreed by institutions of which we are no longer a part – just as UK companies do in other overseas markets.
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| Author: | GazChap [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 14:33 ] |
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What the fuck is this? Pretty sure no-one mentioned anything about this in either the Remain or Leave campaigns. Quote: In addition, in accordance with the same Article 50(2) as applied by Article 106a of the Treaty Establishing the European Atomic Energy Community, I hereby notify the European Council of the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community. Although I guess if they had the Leavers would just be all "we don't want any of that nuclear power malarky over here"
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 14:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Nobody was aware of it until it appeared in the A50 bill. Euratom, it turns out, uses EU institutions to function and so we have to leave because we don't want to be ruled by the EU court. I'll dig out the speeches in the Commons on this later, but it does come across as petty and self-destructive as everything else. Nuclear research is big here in the Shire, and local MPs were angry about not being warned of this. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 14:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Theyworkforyou link to a bit from the A50 bill debate: David Davis wrote: Let me deal with the question of Euratom. Euratom and the EU share a common institutional framework, including the European Court of Justice, a role for the Commission and decision making in the Council, making them uniquely legally joined. Triggering article 50 therefore also entails giving notice to leave Euratom
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 15:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Is it just me or does the jam taste better today? ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 15:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Didn't you hear her speech? We're now all united and behind our Prime Minister, wanting the BEST DEAL for BRITAIN. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 18:02 ] |
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At 19:00 on BBC1, Andrew Neil is interviewing the Prime Minister and Mr Corbyn about this farce. I'll probably tune in, although it does clash with the 'Archers' and in my current mood I'm only going to end up throwing something at the telly. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 22:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Neither Mrs May or Mr Corbyn came out of it well. The prime minister looked very awkward throughout, even though I felt Andrew Neil was a bit soft early on. She really didn't like the £350 million being raised, and was generally non-committal. I'm already tired of being told we're aiming to get the best deal, because it's a completely vacuous statement. Mr Corbyn looked even more uncomfortable, and whilst occasionally he'd stumble on some interesting points they weren't developed, and at times he came across as far too defensive. Labour had the second longest piece of airtime, and frankly needed someone able to make use of it. Afterwards, Tim Farron, Paul Nuttall, and a guy from the Greens whose name escapes me, all shared a table and had a far more livelier time. Mr Farron and the Greenie were showing the passion that the Labour leader lacked. Bonus points to the Greenie for actually talking about throwing away young people's opportunities. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 22:09 ] |
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Kern wrote: Bonus points to the Greenie for actually talking about throwing away young people's opportunities. i didn't realise that was something the Greens were in favour of
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 22:13 ] |
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Which bin do they go in? |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 22:23 ] |
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Kern wrote: Which bin do they go in? The Corbyn. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 22:47 ] |
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Mr Russell wrote: Kern wrote: Which bin do they go in? The Corbyn. Brilliant |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 23:09 ] |
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Fuck me, the last couple of Mail front pages have been an utter fucking disgrace. No wonder so many people act like nobheads when this is the kind of.... 'information' they are presented with. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 0:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Kern wrote: Neither Mrs May or Mr Corbyn came out of it well. But which had the best legs? |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:00 ] |
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Kern wrote: Nobody was aware of it until it appeared in the A50 bill. Euratom, it turns out, uses EU institutions to function and so we have to leave because we don't want to be ruled by the EU court. I'll dig out the speeches in the Commons on this later, but it does come across as petty and self-destructive as everything else. Nuclear research is big here in the Shire, and local MPs were angry about not being warned of this. That's not right. Science Twitter was banging on about this yonks ago, and tried to make a fuss of it, I'm sure. Just nobody cares because it it isn't THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. |
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