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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:45 
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Corbyn was abysmal on R4 this morning. Sounded clueless. Nicky Morgan could have done a better job.

God, wasn't he. "What's your plan?" "everyone will be better off and happy and it will all be awesome and fair" "that's not a manifesto that's rhetoric" "No it isn't".

Jesus.


The maximum pay thing made me laugh like a drain.

What fucking planet is he on?


He has a mandate. he said that a lot. This is Very Important.

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[Government fails at something]

People: "Say something, Corbyn!"

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[Government continues to be a terrible farce]

People: "DO SOMETHING CORBYN! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY!"

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I don't know how to write things so you can read them, Cavey.


Fair enough, apologies. :)
You're very late to the party though, I'd have to say old chap.

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That'd be better and more deliverable than most of the shite they come up with.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well, I mean, you could have put the "to" in in the first place, I guess ;)

And the apostrophe in "its" shhhhh

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well, I mean, you could have put the "to" in in the first place, I guess ;)

And the apostrophe in "its" shhhhh

Yes. I typed that on my iPhone and it turns out I'm rather more accustomed to Android's text entry these days.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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You're very late to the party though, I'd have to say old chap.

Me in 2011, regarding mining closures in the 80s:
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Who do you think swung that axe? Thatcher? That's a very common view, but it's not one I share. I think that long before Thatcher closed mines and shipyards, those jobs had already (economically speaking) moved to cheaper countries abroad; for any individual government to hold back globalisation is like trying to bail out the rising tide with a bucket. All you can do is roll with it as best you can. I'd also argue that the loss of a few million Brits led to an enormous improvement in the working conditions and standards of living for hundreds of millions of Chinese, and that's not a net loss for humanity.


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So: globalisation opens up the ability of a lot of second- and third-world countries to monetise their assets (land, people, resources). Quickly, over time, this creates wealth.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Oh, christ, they are going to kiss

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Heh. I agree, naturally.

If you posted more stuff like that in general, we'd be agreeing an awful lot more, I'd say Doc.

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Oh, christ, they are going to kiss


What do you mean "going to"? :D

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Oh, christ, they are going to kiss


What do you mean "going to"? :D


I...I...I don't think the images in my mind can ever be removed.

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MaliA wrote:
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Oh, christ, they are going to kiss


What do you mean "going to"? :D


I...I...I don't think the images in my mind can ever be removed.

And they're both in a sink with Julie Bradley.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If you posted more stuff like that in general, we'd be agreeing an awful lot more, I'd say Doc.

You mean if you read what I wrote, instead of what you imagine I wrote?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lonewolves wrote:
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Oh, christ, they are going to kiss


What do you mean "going to"? :D


I...I...I don't think the images in my mind can ever be removed.

And they're both in a sink with Julie Bradley.


Too far. Too far, dude.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Damn.
I fancied an endless supply of BBQ sauce and very well cooked rare fillet steak. :D

My mistake Doc: I mistook your obvious right wing leanings these past 10 or more years, huh. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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No more kissing :(

I left off a ;), to be fair.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Damn.
I fancied an endless supply of BBQ sauce and very well cooked rare fillet steak. :D
Fillet is a bit blah, though. I'd rather medium-rare ribeye.

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My mistake Doc: I mistook your obvious right wing leanings these past 10 or more years, huh. :D
I'm a lot more right leaning than you think I am. I'm a long way left on social issues but centre-right on money. I think public infrastructure should mostly be public owned (I opposed, and still opposed, privatisation of the utilities and railways because unless you lay duplicate infrastructure there can be no functioning market) but I think in other sectors appropriately regulated private markets can deliver great solutions too (I would laud OfCom's management of mobile telecommunications as an example where it has worked brilliantly.)

I often have political debates with a friend of mine who's such a hardcore Eurosceptic libertarian that he worked for UKIP (yes, really. No, he's not racist.) Despite that, we have common ground -- for example, he's liberal on social issues like gay marriage, and we were both boilingly angry about the bank bailouts. Socialising the losses of private businesses is an abject failure under any political model.

Hence why my lifetime GE voting score is Labour 1 (strictly a tactical vote, and one I now regret), abstaining 1 (due to my incompetence), and LibDem 3.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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More kissing; a bit of a trouser fondle

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Corbyn was abysmal on R4 this morning. Sounded clueless. Nicky Morgan could have done a better job.

God, wasn't he. "What's your plan?" "everyone will be better off and happy and it will all be awesome and fair" "that's not a manifesto that's rhetoric" "No it isn't".

Jesus.


The maximum pay thing made me laugh like a drain.

What fucking planet is he on?


He has a mandate. he said that a lot. This is Very Important.


Presumably, it would be below, oh, I dunno, £137k pa

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He wouldn't be drawn on £1m, but said £50m was too high.

It's a pointless exercise. Income inequality is not even remotely driven by a cabal of people with a £50m+ basic salary.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It seems we're all in agreement for once. *starts frenching everyone*

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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He wouldn't be drawn on £1m, but said £50m was too high.

It's a pointless exercise. Income inequality is not even remotely driven by a cabal of people with a £50m+ basic salary.


On the radio, he wouldn't be drawn at all. It's worse than Quiet Bat People.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well, bugger me sideways, I didn't see this one coming. :)
Cigars and brandies all round. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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He wouldn't be drawn on £1m, but said £50m was too high.

It's a pointless exercise. Income inequality is not even remotely driven by a cabal of people with a £50m+ basic salary.


I see he cited footballers' salaries as an example. I can't see capping their salaries achieving anything positive.

Corbyn seems a nice chap but I'm not sure I'd put him in charge of a geography department, never mind a whole country.

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Well, bugger me sideways, I didn't see this one coming.

Because you were sideways.

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Heh, that reminds me. The one good thing* about Brexit is that we might get meaningful reforms of agricultural subsidies. But given the strength of the farming lobby, probably not.


* I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not. We are living in strange times.


Unlikely, the state of the subsidies is entirely due to the UK. The EU just give a bunch of cash to each country, most countries do a simple handout based on some simple rules they cooked up. It's only the UK that has over a thousand different schemes you can apply for, and the money handed out is not fixed, its dependent on how many people asked for it in your area, in a lot of cases.
The subsidy chaos and bureaucracy is entirely of our own making.


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Corbyn seems a nice chap but I'm not sure I'd put him in charge of a geography department, never mind a whole country.

On the plus side, I bet he comes with his own tweed blazers with leather patches on the elbows.


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Well, bugger me sideways, I didn't see this one coming. :)
Cigars and brandies all round. :D


I think there is quite a lot of shared common ground between most of the posters here.

We're just a bunch of argumentative pricks.

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We're just a bunch of argumentative pricks.

Oh no we aren't!

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Corbyn seems a nice chap but I'm not sure I'd put him in charge of a geography department, never mind a whole country.

On the plus side, I bet he comes with his own tweed blazers with leather patches on the elbows.


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Corbyn is not MaliCool.

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Corbyn is not MaliCool.

I would say he's proto-MaliCool. He was wearing tweed blazers before you were out of your Burberry nappies.

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I have never seen Corbyn and Mali in the same room.

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Sadly it appears there are no existing photos of Corbyn and Julia Badbury.


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Well, bugger me sideways, I didn't see this one coming. :)

I'm not entirely sure why. I don't think I've ever substantially deviated from the philosophy I wrote above, in however many years I've been posting about politics here.

We differ in a few places, however. I'm less willing to compromise my lefty social ideals in order to get centre-right economics than you are. You are, I think, willing to tolerate social conservatism to get financial conservative. I am not. I'd compromise the economy (a bit) to get social justice.

I also have less faith in the inherent efficacy of the private sector than you do, and I suspect I'm generally keener on regulation as a consequence.

This is also why, setting aside the disaster of Iraq, I'm more positive about Blair's governance than many.


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Blairite scum!

Yes, our politics are probably further apart than Cavey's and mine :D


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Oh my god

Peterborough market - actually quite a bit of backing for Corbyn's maximum wage, and firmer stance on EU migration https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 81/photo/1

Eg Joe: "I'm for Corbyn because country needs someone like Trump to get rid of elitism"..backs pay/ migration limits https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 40/photo/1

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It's almost as if they haven't thought through what a maximum wage would actually lead to...


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People obviously have a totally different definition to the word "Elite" to the one I'm familiar with. What do people like May or Farage actually mean when the say "the elite" - I'm honestly not certain.


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Yes, our politics are probably further apart than Cavey's and mine :D

Probably not. I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you've posted today.

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People obviously have a totally different definition to the word "Elite" to the one I'm familiar with. What do people like May or Farage actually mean when the say "the elite" - I'm honestly not certain.

Readers.


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It's almost as if they haven't thought through what a maximum wage would actually lead to...


3 day weeks!

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It's almost as if they haven't thought through what a maximum wage would actually lead to...


3 day weeks!

I would love a 3 day week.

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