Taking the Brexit

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 21:09

And the Viking women did all the fighting.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 21:10

Kern wrote:

What did they come in?

The Danish women.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 21:10

Hordes

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 21:15

Kern wrote:

Hordes

Let the rest of us have some!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Kern wrote:

They didn't wear horned hats

Hats!?!?!??!

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 23:08

MaliA wrote:

A little known fact about vikings is they only ate spam

Well he does look like Cras

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Well, shit. This is a thing: the idea that US trade negotiators, as part of a new UK-US trade deal, will kowtow to Big Pharma and force changes to the NHS. Not an empty threat, it almost happened in Australia. That's scary as fuck.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/statu ... 9979001861

The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS by @alanbeattie (https://t.co/jL5bFrmYt0). pic.twitter.com/ONcXj3X5Kx
— Jo Maugham QC (@JolyonMaugham) July 18, 2016

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

Struggling to imagine that Hunt et al would give a fuck. I honestly think that Tories don't really care if it gets replaced by something better just as long as the NHS is destroyed. It's the only way to explain their actions. It offends their fuck-headed ideology that much.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

I mostly agree with markg. The direction of travel under thirty years of Thatcher/Major/Blair/Cameron has been monetarism and free markets: privatisation, deregulation, neoliberalism, and globalisation. Against that background, a single state-run healthcare system sticks out like a sore thumb. We know there's no shortage of appetite to get rid of it from some factions within the Conservative party. Let's hope they do not get empowered any further.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

a single state-run healthcare system sticks out like a sore thumb.

Indeed. Like the Pyramids, or the Great Wall of China.

Anonymous X · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2046

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Well, shit. This is a thing: the idea that US trade negotiators, as part of a new UK-US trade deal, will kowtow to Big Pharma and force changes to the NHS. Not an empty threat, it almost happened in Australia. That's scary as fuck.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/statu ... 9979001861

The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS by @alanbeattie (https://t.co/jL5bFrmYt0). pic.twitter.com/ONcXj3X5Kx
— Jo Maugham QC (@JolyonMaugham) July 18, 2016

That's absolutely terrifying. Contrary to what Leave were claiming, staying in the EU was by far the best option for preserving the NHS.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Jesus, of course this was going to happen. Anyone who thought otherwise is crazy. And big Pharma bosses love social care and best for patient practice, dr fidelity, etc. They also dislike hiring the cheapest option and rail roading dissenters.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:55

Hey! Cras!

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

*nods*

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Ford will be putting car prices up due to the weak pound and is considering closing its last two UK factories:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 62561.html

krazywookie · **Posted:** Sun Jul 31, 2016 23:32

All my suppliers (bicycles and parts) have put their prices up

people having less money and prices going up can only mean bad stuff for my wee business. Only just got going too. Thanks brexit.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:36

BBC 2's Brexit: the battle for Britain recaps the past couple of months with some interesting interviews with leading figures in both campaigns. Lord Mandelson blames Corbyn, Will Straw comes across as being annoyed by everyone, and the head of Leave guy is insufferably smug whenever he is criticised over the £350m lie. Still very much a first draft, but if you've got the time it's worth watching.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that Cameron's 'renegotiation' was a distraction that prevented the IN side from building its campaign two or three years ago, and the lack of positive arguments to complement the economic stuff just turned floaters off.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:00

The first parliamentary statement by the secretary of state and accompanying debate didn't really enlighten us much about progress (disappointingly, no MP asked him if we had left yet).

Good to know that one Tory cut through the crap and pressed Mr Davis on the most pressing issue he'll be facing:

Quote:

Henry Smith (Crawley) (Con)

In warmly welcoming my right hon. Friend to his very well-deserved position, I implore him to have early discussions with our right hon. Friends the Home Secretary, the Secretary of State for Transport and others to ensure that the words “European Union” are removed at the earliest possible moment from UK passports and driving licences.

Mr Davis

I will draw my hon. Friend’s comments to their attention.

And there's always this horrifying image:

Quote:

Mr Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con)

May I welcome the Secretary of State to his position, not least because he headed up Conservative GO? Unfortunately, one of the drawbacks of being made Secretary of State is that he can no longer wear the green tie. He has been as clear as he can—one of his great advantages is straight talking—but will he give us his best estimate now of the date on which he thinks we will actually leave? I am asking for his best estimate. We will not hold him to it—nobody is that worried—but will he just give us a date?

Mr Davis

That is a very good try. I am sure that, in his youth, my hon. Friend was a great seducer, but I am not going to be seduced. [Interruption.]

The B Teams were discussing the petition about re-running the whole affair, but nothing really interesting was said, other than an SNP member getting angry because the chair wanted him to stick to the topic on the order paper.

Quote:

Ian Blackford
I am not making a point of order. I am making a speech that is legitimate in the context of the debate. People in Scotland will see exactly what is happening here: the Chair is refusing to allow the elected representatives of the people of Scotland to give a speech. That is the clear judgment of what has been delivered by this Chair.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

I thought it was very informative about progress, there hasn't been any. They keep trying to imply that they are keeping their cards close to their chest for the upcoming negotatiations but it's clear that they are riven with internal conflict and still haven't got the first fucking clue what they're doing and still no answers whatsoever to all the most important questions. I'm sure it'll all work out just fine.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:21

Looks like "We totally trying to get a good deal and we'll keep trying until we do but stay in the EU until then" as Cras said would happen

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

We should nuke them from orbit.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:26

MrChris wrote:

We should nuke them from orbit.

At least that way we'd get rid of Trident.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:28

Mr Davis' absence from front bench politics over the past eight years is one of the great 'what -ifs' of recent times. He would have been very good as Home Secretary and probably would have been a strong prime minister. If I write an alternate history, I'm going to have the 2015 David Davis v David Miliband election debate as a key scene setter.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

MaliA wrote:

Looks like "We totally trying to get a good deal and we'll keep trying until we do but stay in the EU until then" as Cras said would happen

I don't think just kicking it into the long grass is really going to work for very long with this one, though.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:33

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Looks like "We totally trying to get a good deal and we'll keep trying until we do but stay in the EU until then" as Cras said would happen

I don't think just kicking it into the long grass is really going to work for very long with this one, though.

What fucks me off is Farage now strutting around as if he has a cast-iron mandate for every single pledge he feels like talking about, whilst utterly ignoring other ones.

"People overwhelmingly voted for a points-based immigration system"

NO THEY FUCKING DIDN'T! Even most of the xenophobes and racists didn't. If you implement this if anything it gives you less control; just ask Australia.

I truly hate the man, and now regret not hurling verbal abuse at him when I walked past him in the pub (though he did look terrified of me as I was wearing a hoodie).

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:37

I think May is tough enough to stick to her plan and her thoughts on it. I think she's runni g through the motions of getting it going and will start to draw lines in the sand. Although I dislike her for a fair few reasons, I think she'll steera decent path through this whilst telling the hard exiters to pipe down.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:45

MaliA wrote:

I think May is tough enough to stick to her plan and her thoughts on it. I think she's runni g through the motions of getting it going and will start to draw lines in the sand. Although I dislike her for a fair few reasons, I think she'll steera decent path through this whilst telling the hard exiters to pipe down.

I think she'll just keep on saying "Brexit means Brexit" and hope someone else carries the can for the amazing shit-show that will no doubt happen.

Still, they have over 300 people working on it now, which is a lot.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

MaliA wrote:

her plan.

Citation needed.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:50

Cras wrote:

MaliA wrote:

her plan.

Citation needed.

Hope.

It's about all I have left.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:59

MaliA wrote:

Hope.

It's about all I have left.

Hey, we've also taken back control!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

They should just negotiate blue passports or something and leave everything else the same. Most of the morons who voted for it don't even care by now, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:05

markg wrote:

, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.

Yes, I was toying with this thought the other night. In 2020, will people be voting on the candidates' positions on the EU, or on schools 'n' hospitals? Except for the true hardcore Euronuts (both on the federalist and the leave side), it's not the kind of topic that keeps people up at night.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

markg wrote:

They should just negotiate blue passports or something and leave everything else the same. Most of the morons who voted for it don't even care by now, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.

As funny as this is, I believe

myp · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 14:00

It's all very clear! :insincere:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ent-policy

Quote:

David Davis was expressing his opinion rather than government policy when he said it would be unlikely for Britain to stay in the single market after Brexit negotiations, the prime minister’s spokeswoman has said.

The secretary of state for exiting the EU told MPs on Monday that the government’s priority was securing restrictions to European migration, and conceded that there could be an economic price to pay for that.

“This government is looking at every option but the simple truth is that if a requirement of membership is giving up control of our borders, I think that makes it very improbable,” he said, during a debate that followed his statement updating colleagues on Brexit planning so far.

But a senior Downing Street official sought to distance Theresa May from the statement, saying the prime minister planned to be “ambitious” in talks with other European countries.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

Mimi wrote:

markg wrote:

They should just negotiate blue passports or something and leave everything else the same. Most of the morons who voted for it don't even care by now, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.

As funny as this is, I believe

I don't know why I didn't finish this. My brain is serioysly failing me

I've had some kind of brain blank-out today. I think stress is making me lose time here and there.

I think I was going to say that I think a not unsizeable little pot of Brexiters might actually be placated by that kind of nonsense gesture. That and planting out every roundabout with a Union Jack* made of pansies.

*i prefer this so don't care. Jack sounds friendly.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

You could make it a Union Jack, you'd just also have to plant a boat made of flowers, too.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 14:36

Just don't get it upside down.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 14:39

Mimi wrote:

I think I was going to say that I think a not unsizeable little pot of Brexiters might actually be placated by that kind of nonsense gesture.

Similarly, Brexiters might have been put off by the EU's attempts to build a sense of nationalism civic loyalty by replacing national symbols with its own when they feel English/British and not 'European'.

I always find the royal arms more off-putting. God and my right my arse!

myp · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 14:41

Like Jack the Ripper

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 14:53

No he was dutch

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Cras wrote:

You could make it a Union Jack, you'd just also have to plant a boat made of flowers, too.

Regardless what people on the internet say, it's been fine to call it the Union Jack when not on a ship since 1902, so I think we are ok

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2016 15:29

Heh. I remember a drunk heraldry nerd explaining to me in quite some detail one night that the '3 Lions' song is just plain wrong because there are three leopards on the shirt.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Trooper wrote:

Cras wrote:

You could make it a Union Jack, you'd just also have to plant a boat made of flowers, too.

Regardless what people on the internet say, it's been fine to call it the Union Jack when not on a ship since 1902, so I think we are ok

Oi! I'm a person on the Internet and I resemble that remark.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Brexit doesn't mean "Brexit", it means "Brexit*".

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:51

lol

Quote:

Theresa May is now making her statement the G20 and Brexit.

She says she knows many people are keen to see rapid progress on Brexit.

But the government must look at this in a sober and considered way.

This is about looking for the right model for Britain.

The government will look at this carefully, she says.

It will not declare its hand prematurely.

And it will not provide a running commentary on what it will do.

May says the government will not provide a “running commentary” on the Brexit negotiations and that it will take its time to get the decision right.

(This is quite a contrast from what David Davis, the Brexit secretary, was saying on Monday. He stressed the government’s desire to keep people informed. May’s comment suggests we might not be getting any more Commons updates on Brexit from Davis for quite some time.)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blo ... itics-live

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2016 13:11

I suppose pissing off 48% of the country by wanting to leave whilst also pissing off 52% who want us to leave is the kind of approach that King Solomon would approve of.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

The obvious solution is to cut Michael Gove in half.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2016 19:03

MrChris wrote:

The obvious solution is to cut Michael Gove in half.

Why stop there. You could cut him into enough pieces so as to be able to give a piece of Gove to each of his loyal fans...

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Well quite, in half

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4299

MrChris wrote:

Well quite, in half

I just spent at least two minutes looking for the Zing dimlie.

What happened to the Zing dimlie?

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