Taking the Brexit

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

I saw this post from one of the few medium to large British yarn companys today

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

That doesn't make a huge amount of sense ... why would the suppliers refuse to supply them?

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2016 21:29

MrChris wrote:

That doesn't make a huge amount of sense ... why would the suppliers refuse to supply them?

Suppliers sometimes want cash up front rather than 180 days later if customer has outstanding bills. A brexit could mean prompt payment isnunlikly, and payment post brexit unliklier. Although there is no indication of this being the case here.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

from what I have understood in following comments it is because they are fearful that the weak pound will mean unsettled future bills, and so have refused to supply.

Agent Starling · **Joined:** 8th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 1701

Never mind all that - your phone urgently needs charging (showing as 1% battery left there).

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

So you change payment terms, you don't cease entirely on the basis of some theoretical future credit issue. Odd.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Yeah, that makes no sense, just charge up front if required.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Macro events are often used as a rationale for completely unconnected decisions, especially in the heat of the moment. I've had a client publicly blame brexit for not proceeding with a deal in the past week, but they made the decision a month ago.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

I have to say, with all these little ... Jibes? I can't really think of a better word, but if a referendum were held to gauge the response of Europe towards the uk post brexit, I would put a lot of money on the outcome being, "fuck 'em!"

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2016 22:01

Bobbyaro wrote:

I have to say, with all these little ... Jibes? I can't really think of a better word, but if a referendum were held to gauge the response of Europe towards the uk post brexit, I would put a lot of money on the outcome being, "fuck 'em!"

Possibly. But, this is also my attitude toward the elderly and the poor who voted to leave. I'm not quite "remove the state pension, heating allowance and we'll get two thirds of them with a cold winter" but I'm almost there.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25594

Agent Starling wrote:

Never mind all that - your phone urgently needs charging (showing as 1% battery left there).

It made its sad little death buzz for the night.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... rden-shed/

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Arsonists set fire to a Polish family's garden shed and left a sinister note with further threats at their home. The flames spread and caused substantial damage to their home, shattering the glass in the bathroom window and melting the downpipes. The note, constructed out of newspaper clippings, read "Go back to your f------ country next be your family".

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It comes after police revealed the number of hate crime incidents reported to a national website rose to five times the typical weekly level in the week after the EU referendum.

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/07/arsonists-set-fire-to-polish-familys-garden-shed/

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Arsonists set fire to a Polish family's garden shed and left a sinister note with further threats at their home. The flames spread and caused substantial damage to their home, shattering the glass in the bathroom window and melting the downpipes. The note, constructed out of newspaper clippings, read "Go back to your f------ country next be your family".

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It comes after police revealed the number of hate crime incidents reported to a national website rose to five times the typical weekly level in the week after the EU referendum.

And the next PM will be anti-gay as well. This flipping country.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:44

It's all starting to get a little bit V for Vendetta

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

GazChap wrote:

It's all starting to get a little bit V for Vendetta

How do you mean?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/07/08/gol ... it-advice/

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Goldman Sachs has hired the former head of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso to help it through the fallout from the UK’s shock decision to quit the EU.

The Wall Street investment bank announced on Friday that Mr Barroso is joining as chairman of London-based Goldman Sachs International (GSI), the bank’s largest subsidiary. He will also serve as an advisor, writes Laura Noonan.

Mr Barroso, who presided over the commission for a decade, told the Financial Times that he will do what he can to “mitigate the negative effects” of the Brexit decision. If the UK loses access to the EU single market, US banks may need to move big parts of their large European businesses out of London.

“Of course I know well the EU, I also know relatively well the UK environment,” Mr Barroso said. “If my advice can be helpful in this circumstance I’m ready to contribute, of course.”

The former Portuguese prime minister led the commission from 2004-2014, a period that included the financial crisis. He was a key figure in many of the financial sector policies that followed, including banking union.

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If the UK loses its right to grant passports, banks will have to find another EU country willing to regulate – and able to support – some of their most complex activities.

“We don’t know now exactly what will be the final outcome of negotiations,” Mr Barroso said, describing the passporting issue as “one of the most difficult and sensitive matters for the negotiation”.

Project Fear now looking increasingly like Project On The Money.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 08, 2016 14:04

Britain, circa July 2016:

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

On The Buses, more like

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 08, 2016 14:09

Lush founder moving mainland Europe production from Poole to Germany.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... f=mrb&lp=1

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THE boss of Lush has said it will move production of goods for mainland Europe from Poole to Germany in the wake of the EU referendum.

Mark Constantine, who co-founded the cosmetics giant in Poole 21 years ago, said the referendum result had signalled to staff from overseas that they were “not wanted by people in Poole”.

Anonymous X · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2046

Lonewolves wrote:

Lush founder moving mainland Europe production from Poole to Germany.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... f=mrb&lp=1

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THE boss of Lush has said it will move production of goods for mainland Europe from Poole to Germany in the wake of the EU referendum.

Mark Constantine, who co-founded the cosmetics giant in Poole 21 years ago, said the referendum result had signalled to staff from overseas that they were “not wanted by people in Poole”.

Don't blame them. If we don't get to keep single market access (and I can believe the Tories would sacrifice that in order to be able to be unpleasant to EU citizens), then it'd be unfeasible to keep their export manufacturing here.

Loads of their staff are Polish, incidentally. The husband of one of my girlfriend's Polish friends used to work there for years, and cites his stunted English on working in an all-Polish workplace for so long.

Anyway, fuck Leave voters for damaging this country's employment opportunities.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Well, not wanting to advocate leave at all, but from a leaver's perspective, sacking a load of poles so they have to go home is a good thing. And fuck lush in the first place for not employing ... Yar yar yar. They neither care nor understand the impact these things have beyond their limited scope.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

I think you might have written 'remainder' when you meant 'leaver' there.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I wonder if a fundamental difference between some Leave and Remain voters is that Remain voters don't think people are entitled to a better standard of life regardless of their contribution to society just because they are British, and Leave voters do.

"Working class Eastern Europeans should have to work harder than British working class to get the same standard of living. That's a correct and normal state of affairs".

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

No, I don't think that's it.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Yeah, no. I imagine that's the case for some people, but it's pretty bloody broad brush.

Edit - to be fair, you said some. But then there's an awful lot of different differences in play here

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Cras wrote:

awful lot of different differences

Didn't see you there, Rumsfeld.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Well I don't think people would articulate their reasoning as explicitly being that, but I think a lot of the attitudes are rooted in nationalism and thinking that Britain is inherently superior, and lusting for the days of the empire.

Even though a lot of Britain's historical prosperity was built on the dark side of colonialism and slavery etc.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Good to know we have such an eminent psychologist amongst us, eh? Such detailed conclusions based on one action.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 08, 2016 23:23

MrChris wrote:

Good to know we have such an eminent psychologist amongst us, eh? Such detailed conclusions based on one action.

So you think it's a worthwhile science now, all of a sudden?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

No. Although the point was, as I'm sure you're aware, more around the gross generalisations amateur psychoanalysis young Lewie was positing.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 08, 2016 23:38

MrChris wrote:

No. Although the point was, as I'm sure you're aware, more around the gross generalisations amateur psychoanalysis young Lewie was positing.

So you'd prefer some professional psychoanalysis

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I'm just trying to make sense of things.

It's possible to disagree with someone without being condescending.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Chris is a law talking guy, of course it isn't.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Lonewolves wrote:

MrChris wrote:

No. Although the point was, as I'm sure you're aware, more around the gross generalisations amateur psychoanalysis young Lewie was positing.

So you'd prefer some professional psychoanalysis

Well, yes. (although not personally... then again...

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I'm not sure I've ever expressed an opinion as to the merits of psychiatry before; I think you're transposing my views of sociologists onto this

Which is what my automatic and rather quick "no" was in response to, as that was the only discussion we've had on the merits or standards of any area of study. So my "no" was somewhat misplaced, as I was answering a different question. I was confused

Anyway - I have no particular issue with psychiatry, and I don't know why you'd think I did.

Lewie - apologies, I wasn't intending to be condescending, and I apologise for that. All I was trying to say was that it is a bit rum to make rather specific claims about people's motivations based merely on the action that they took. It isn't overly helpful, and is very unlikely to be accurate anyway.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16559

Surely politics is largely about doing exactly that and then campaigning to get what it is that you want by appealing to those motivations. The Leave campaign kept banging on about immigrants, their press friends running stories dehumanising them and then won. I don't think it's all that unreasonable to make assumptions about the motivations of many of the people who voted to leave.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 30851.html

Commons to debate triggering article 50

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

zaphod79 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-eu-referendum-urgent-question-house-of-commons-leave-europe-a7130851.html

Commons to debate triggering article 50

And as it turns out the answer is 'thats up to us'

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Labour's Helen Goodman is asking an urgent question on leaving the EU and Article 50.

Cabinet Office Minister John Penrose tells MPs that the "government believes [Article 50] is a royal prerogrative issue".

A group of unnamed business people and academics represented by the law firm Mishcon de Reya has launched a legal challenge to require a future prime minister to get the approval of Parliament before triggering Article 50.

Although she's not accepting that

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Labour MP Helen Goodman argues that to use royal prerogative to activate Article 50 would be "a breach of promises made to the public" by Leave campaigners who said they would "take back control and restore parliamentary sovereignty".

Such an important step "should not be decided in Whitehall behind closed doors", she says.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 18:11

So the SNP want another indyref because then they can stay in the EU, because becoming independent turned out to be A Bad Thing.

So they want to be independent from one thing so they don't have to be independent from another...

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

They want to retain their status as members of the EU.

I think it's entirely rational.

The previous indyref was a choice between "Independence & EU membership" and "Staying in the Union & EU membership".

Now it's a choice between "Independence & EU membership" and "Staying in the Union & leaving the EU".

It's a fundamentally different choice.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

LewieP wrote:

They want to retain their status as members of the EU.

I think it's entirely rational.

The previous indyref was a choice between "Independence & EU membership" and "Staying in the Union & EU membership".

Now it's a choice between "Independence & EU membership" and "Staying in the Union & leaving the EU".

It's a fundamentally different choice.

Don't believe that's the case though. It would be 'Independence and being able to rejoin the EU'. If we start the exit process before Scotland secedes from the Union, there's no framework in place for them to stop the exit and stay behind. If we don't exit, I don't believe they'd retain EU membership automatically as an ex-member of an EU state. They'd also never get membership without being made to take the Euro either, so they'd lose the ability to keep the pound which was a key prop of the indy campaign last time around.

Cavey · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 18:29

Grim... wrote:

So the SNP want another indyref because then they can stay in the EU, because becoming independent turned out to be A Bad Thing.

So they want to be independent from one thing so they don't have to be independent from another...

Yeah, rationality and facts have nowt to do with it.

It's not even as good as that - the Prime Minister of Spain has said, repeatedly, that Spain would veto any application to join the EU by an independent Scotland (as, indeed, have France also).

Trust me though, you just can't tell these people, they just won't have it - it's like telling a 4 year old Santa doesn't exist. Apparently it's all OK because "SNPbaaaaaad!!!" and EU diplomats saying nice things to Nicola Sturgeon. :roll:

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Cras wrote:

LewieP wrote:

They want to retain their status as members of the EU.

I think it's entirely rational.

The previous indyref was a choice between "Independence & EU membership" and "Staying in the Union & EU membership".

Now it's a choice between "Independence & EU membership" and "Staying in the Union & leaving the EU".

It's a fundamentally different choice.

Don't believe that's the case though. It would be 'Independence and being able to rejoin the EU'. If we start the exit process before Scotland secedes from the Union, there's no framework in place for them to stop the exit and stay behind. If we don't exit, I don't believe they'd retain EU membership automatically as an ex-member of an EU state. They'd also never get membership without being made to take the Euro either, so they'd lose the ability to keep the pound which was a key prop of the indy campaign last time around.

The whole thing is unprecedented. I can't blame Sturgeon at least trying to see if a deal can be made so they never leave, or indeed trying to find a way to throw a spanner in the works of Britain leaving in the first place. She has a clear democratic mandate to do that.

I agree it's unclear how exactly it might play out, but considering another independence referendum has to be on the cards.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 18:50

The obvious model is Greenland. Still part of Denmark but not in the EU.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Kern wrote:

The obvious model is Greenland. Still part of Denmark but not in the EU.

I'm not sure that's the case. Greenland is an Autonomous Territory of Denmark, and I don't believe that an Autonomous Territory is permitted to be an EU Member State - so if it were the other way around and Denmark had left with Greenland wishing to stay in, that would not have worked.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

LewieP wrote:

I can't blame Sturgeon at least trying to see if a deal can be made so they never leave, or indeed trying to find a way to throw a spanner in the works of Britain leaving in the first place. She has a clear democratic mandate to do that.

Oh, absolutely agree. I don't fancy her chances of anything other than UK leaves EU, Scotland leaves UK, Scotland joins EU however. Especially as guaranteed that Westminster wouldn't permit the secession of Scotland during Brexit negotiations, it would have to occur after.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 19:17

Cras wrote:

Kern wrote:

The obvious model is Greenland. Still part of Denmark but not in the EU.

I'm not sure that's the case. Greenland is an Autonomous Territory of Denmark, and I don't believe that an Autonomous Territory is permitted to be an EU Member State - so if it were the other way around and Denmark had left with Greenland wishing to stay in, that would not have worked.

I'm not an expert on Danish constitutional politics, but at the time Denmark joined it lacked that autonomy. It left in 1985 after a vote.

Wikitruth

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Kern wrote:

Cras wrote:

Kern wrote:

The obvious model is Greenland. Still part of Denmark but not in the EU.

I'm not sure that's the case. Greenland is an Autonomous Territory of Denmark, and I don't believe that an Autonomous Territory is permitted to be an EU Member State - so if it were the other way around and Denmark had left with Greenland wishing to stay in, that would not have worked.

I'm not an expert on Danish constitutional politics, but at the time Denmark joined it lacked that autonomy. It left in 1985 after a vote.

Wikitruth

Well yes, when it joined it was part of Denmark. If this were the other way around and Scotland wished to leave the EU and the UK stay, the Greenland model would work. But not this way around.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2016 19:28

I could picture a scenario where we move to a very loose confederal system and England/Wales becomes the Greenland. Heck of a lot of constitutional engineering to get there.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

What if Johnson is such a terrible person at the Foreign Office that Scotland stays in the UK just so they don't have to talk to him?

WHAT IF THAT'S THE PLAN?!

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Kern wrote:

I could picture a scenario where we move to a very loose confederal system and England/Wales becomes the Greenland. Heck of a lot of constitutional engineering to get there.

London hears this proposal and approves. As long as we're in Denmark too.

Mainly for the bacon.

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