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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 22:18 
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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In a debate on vaping yesterday, Lord Wallace made an interesting contribution:

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Could the Minister possibly encourage his colleagues to consider publishing a list of EU regulations which are there primarily because British lobbies with the support of British Ministers have pushed them on to the EU? I am thinking in particular of animal welfare, as well as a lot of health and smoking regulations. It would help to educate opinion in this country as to what sort of regulations might be likely to diverge after we leave, and which will not.

Lord O'Shaughnessy

Anyone who really wants to find out how many regulations there are provided by the EU can find that online, and I am sure that it would be a wonderful way to spend a weekend. I am just going to bother myself with the ones that have been dedicated to the health area. We are, of course, looking at everything within that realm to make sure that, when we leave the European Union, we end up with the best possible health regime.


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Meanwhile, in the Commons, the Health Secretary showed an appropriate level of urgency to ensure continuity of provision for the NHS after the Glorious Day (TM).

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  Last week the Brexit Secretary stated that UK membership of EU agencies is unlikely to continue beyond March 2019, so what provision has the Secretary of State for Health made to replace the European Chemicals Agency, which regulates the raw chemicals required by the pharmaceutical industry to produce drugs in the UK? [903041]

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That area will obviously be very important in the negotiations, but we have made our preference clear: a deep and special partnership with the EU in which the benefits of co-operation that we currently have can continue.


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I've met Lord W as part of that other thing I do. He's really nice.

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I've met Lord W as part of that other thing I do.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Sector analyses released to the general public!

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I've looked at the ICT one, and I'm not convinced it will help businesses to make the sort of complex decisions leaving the EU will bring up.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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A Labour government might not be as bad as Brexit, claims Heseltine.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I can't decide if Tony Blair or John Humphries was the least convincing this morning. Mr Humphries' line of questioning was pretty obvious, yet Mr Blair failed to block them the way it did.

The simple response to the 'why have a second referendum, we've already decided' point is 'nobody knew what Brexit would like', but it took the former prime minister ages to actually say that.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Our government: “no deal is better than a bad deal”

Also our government: “OMG the evil EU is preparing for a no-deal scenario, please stop them”

We are being led by idiots.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Our government: “no deal is better than a bad deal”


In Tim Shipman's 'Fallout' (yeah, spoilers), he argues that the Prime Minister is approaching the negotiations in the same way she approached the justice/home affairs opt outs when she was home secretary: leave everything then come back into the ones you want. I'm not sure this was ever going to be a goer in a situation where the EU will treat UK as a third country.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.

Quite. It’s a misplaced belief in British exceptionalism; it’s not even conscious, I think, but rather a genuine bone-deep inability to grasp any possibility other than “Of course they need us too much to not accommodate us. We’re special!”

Or as I put it last year: https://twitter.com/penllawen/status/858021766882611201




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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That was back when Mrs May was going to be the new Boudica, wasn't it? Feels like so long ago now, and Mr Cameron is practically ancient history.

I'm still shocked that the loss of their majority hasn't stopped the Tories from toning down their ambitions or working towards a more pragmatic compromise, but then with Mr Corbyn being a useful idiot on this they don't really need to.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.

Quite. It’s a misplaced belief in British exceptionalism; it’s not even conscious, I think, but rather a genuine bone-deep inability to grasp any possibility other than “Of course they need us too much to not accommodate us. We’re special!”


We can just send the navy round to fire off a warning shot and that tends to sort things.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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https://twitter.com/LibDemPress/status/ ... 2753832960




Lib dem press office quite amusing at times

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
It's almost as if they're only just realising the EU itself and the other 27 countries have their own interests to protect and further.

Quite. It’s a misplaced belief in British exceptionalism; it’s not even conscious, I think, but rather a genuine bone-deep inability to grasp any possibility other than “Of course they need us too much to not accommodate us. We’re special!”


The strange thing is that this hasn't been true for decades - Britain is important, but hasn't been irreplaceable to the EU for ages, surely since before the beginnings of the careers of all the politicians involved. It's like some odd collective memory from the 1880s that's still hanging around.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I think the government's surprised by the solidarity of the other 27. They were probably hoping to buy each country off, one by one, but they aren't facing the divided Europe they were expecting.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Spotted on the Chris Morris Bits twitter feed (referencing Day Today natch)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Fucking embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/950697434413486080



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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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how is this real life

https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/951099506480877568




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Checkmate! Your move, Mr Barnier!

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Oh dear.

The youthfulness of the Brexit fans has never been so clearly shown.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
how is this real life

https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/951099506480877568



Marmite? That's the best they could come up with? The thing which is famous for a lot of (very sensible) people hating it?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
how is this real life

https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/951099506480877568



Marmite? That's the best they could come up with? The thing which is famous for a lot of (very sensible) people hating it?


53% of people hate Marmite.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Mimi wrote:
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
how is this real life

https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/951099506480877568



Marmite? That's the best they could come up with? The thing which is famous for a lot of (very sensible) people hating it?


53% of people hate Marmite.

I've found anecdotally that foreign people hate it. Because that kind of wrongness needs to be learned at a young age, and foreign people do not inflict it upon their children.

I'd be interested to see the export figures, but from what I've heard, they're unlikely to be fantastic.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's also made by Unilever, who are a transnational, joint headquartered in Rotterdam.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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And was invented by a German.

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And was invented by a German.

All of a sudden, Brexit seems so much more reasonable.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's also made by Unilever, who are a transnational, joint headquartered in Rotterdam.

So is PG Tips


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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And today, Nigel Farage is backing a second referendum.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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And today, Nigel Farage is backing a second referendum.

What what? What?

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And today, Nigel Farage is backing a second referendum.

What what? What?

:this: :this: , :this:

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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More to put a final nail in the coffin of those whinging remoaners than for any "final say on the form of the deal" reasons.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42649214


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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More to put a final nail in the coffin of those whinging remoaners than for any "final say on the form of the deal" reasons.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42649214


Like fuck.

As many have pointed out when Brexit inevitably fucks up people will start pointing fingers and it's a lot easier after another referendum that ends in a remain result to be sat on the sidelines throwing pelters without offering solutions.

He has no real source of income now but as soon as there's another referendum rent-a-gob is right back in the limelight and then when he loses it can all be the fault of The BBC, Liberal Elite, Mainstream Media, Women, Immigrants and the letter Y.

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Isn't he still an MEP? So if we remain he keeps his job and can keep moaning.

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Isn't he still an MEP?


I continue to find this fact utterly fucking mind-boggling.


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Bamba wrote:
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Isn't he still an MEP?


I continue to find this fact utterly fucking mind-boggling.

Easy money innit.

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Lonewolves wrote:
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Isn't he still an MEP?


I continue to find this fact utterly fucking mind-boggling.

Easy money innit.

It is still fucking mind boggling, though.

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Well 750,000 twats in South East England voted UKIP in the 2014 European Parliament election. That's how.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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BBC: £350m Brexit claim was 'too low', says Boris Johnson

Oh, please kindly go on an extended trade mission to Siberia.


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BBC: £350m Brexit claim was 'too low', says Boris Johnson

Oh, please kindly go on an extended trade mission to Siberia.


I did like this excellent burn from Labour on the subject: "Our NHS is in the middle of a winter crisis and Boris Johnson's solution is to return to the scene of his previous crimes and promise ever larger slices of pie in the sky."


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Ian Dunt's short piece on the government's options and the current situation is a quick and useful read. Not particularly hopeful, uplifting, or likely to increase your confidence in Her Majesty's Government, but we can't have everything.


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I really can't see how this is going to end up with anything other than a shambling, fudged, "In-the-EU-in-all-but-name" compromise agreement that will make everyone involved angry, whilst giving precisely zero benefits.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardell ... uk-will-be

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The government's new analysis of the impact of Brexit says the UK would be worse off outside the European Union under every scenario modelled, BuzzFeed News can reveal.

The assessment, which is titled “EU Exit Analysis – Cross Whitehall Briefing” and dated January 2018, looked at three of the most plausible Brexit scenarios based on existing EU arrangements.

Under a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU, UK growth would be 5% lower over the next 15 years compared to current forecasts, according to the analysis.

The "no deal" scenario, which would see the UK revert to World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules, would reduce growth by 8% over that period. The softest Brexit option of continued single-market access through membership of the European Economic Area would, in the longer term, still lower growth by 2%.

These calculations do not take into account any short-term hits to the economy from Brexit, such as the cost of adjusting the economy to new customs arrangements.

The assessment seen by BuzzFeed News is being kept tightly guarded inside government. It was prepared by officials across Whitehall for the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU), and is reportedly being presented to key ministers in one-to-one meetings this week ahead of discussion at the Brexit cabinet subcommittee next week.

Asked why the prime minister was not making the analysis public, a DExEU source told BuzzFeed News: "Because it's embarrassing."



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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well. This is awkward for everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well. This is awkward for everyone.


I know. My MP hasn't replied to my most recent letter on this yet and I hate these things being superseded by events.


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What's frustrating is that this is the ideal opportunity for Mr Corbyn to demonstrate to his critics at he isn't a dogmatic ideologue and can turn round and say 'this is great in theory, but as it can't work without harming people, let's not do this', and yet he's still ruling out even just staying in the single market/customs union.


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Be reassured by this clear answer in the Commons yesterday, which I'm quoting in full:

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The British people are, in the main, not ideological but practical and pragmatic. They simply want Brexit to work. Will the Minister assure me that the Government’s policy will be dictated not by fringe groups, either in this place or outside it, but by the national interest?

Mr Walker (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union)
  
Yes.

Hansard link

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Kern wrote:
What's frustrating is that this is the ideal opportunity for Mr Corbyn to demonstrate to his critics at he isn't a dogmatic ideologue and can turn round and say 'this is great in theory, but as it can't work without harming people, let's not do this', and yet he's still ruling out even just staying in the single market/customs union.



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