Taking the Brexit

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6515

When politicians do this "Of course the Spanish tourism industry / German car industry / Italian prosecco industry / Hungarian cheese industry will not let that happen!" thing, do you thing they really believe it, or are they just punting a difficult question down the line at the same time playing to their audiences sense of British exceptionalism and setting up a "This is all the EU's fault" narrative for when it all goes wrong?

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

I think you've underestimated the level of sheer fuckwittery. I don't think they believe it but neither do I think they have a plan for what's going to happen next week, let alone when we actually leave the EU.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:25

markg wrote:

I think you've underestimated the level of sheer fuckwittery. I don't think they believe it but neither do I think they have a plan for what's going to happen next week, let alone when we actually leave the EU.

I think a lot of them don’t care. If it all goes to shit they’ll likely be fine anyway. So kick the van down the road and ask the EU to solve it. If the shit hits the fan then it wasn’t ‘our’ fault.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

There's a huge lack of understanding also. I remember David David from referendum time talking about how after we left we'd make independent trade deals with each of the EU nations - something which is completely impossible.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:47

Squirt wrote:

When politicians do this "Of course the Spanish tourism industry / German car industry / Italian prosecco industry / Hungarian cheese industry will not let that happen!" thing, do you thing they really believe it, or are they just punting a difficult question down the line at the same time playing to their audiences sense of British exceptionalism and setting up a "This is all the EU's fault" narrative for when it all goes wrong?

It sounds good in the five second clip on the news before the traffic reports.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Kate Hoey:

Quote:

Excellent visit by select committee to Swiss border to see how political will and co operation and technology makes Swiss/German/French border crossings smooth. Useful info for our enquiry into land border issues NI/ROI

https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/9 ... 4723358720

Excellent visit by select committee to Swiss border to see how political will and co operation and technology makes Swiss/German/French border crossings smooth. Useful info for our enquiry into land border issues NI/ROI pic.twitter.com/LPrVV7r5qK
— Kate Hoey (@KateHoeyMP) November 23, 2017

Switzerland, of course, is part of the Schengen Area, and hence hardly something she'd advocate us being part of.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Decades of anti-EU agitation. 3+ years since a referendum became Tory party policy. 18 months since we voted to leave. 7 months since the Article 50 notification.

Exactly how long do the Brexiteers need to formulate an achievable and realistic policy for the Northern Ireland border?

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:37

Adam Macy at Home Farm is now having doubts about Brexit and its impact on farming. I'd say shit just got real but he's always been a miserable sod.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:11

Hoey saying Ireland to pay for wall in event one is needed

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Hoey talking about the Swiss border is a fucking riot, isn't it?

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:13

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Hoey talking about the Swiss border is a fucking riot, isn't it?

The similarities are obvious. The Swiss are known for having lots of guns, after all.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Kern wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Hoey talking about the Swiss border is a fucking riot, isn't it?

The similarities are obvious. The Swiss are known for having lots of guns, after all.

Plus she definitely supports us joining Schengen.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:16

MaliA wrote:

Hoey saying Ireland to pay for wall in event one is needed

Oh god. This is one of the most annoying things about the whole farrago: the utter cluelessness of its proponents.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:18

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Kern wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Hoey talking about the Swiss border is a fucking riot, isn't it?

The similarities are obvious. The Swiss are known for having lots of guns, after all.

Plus she definitely supports us joining Schengen.

Silver lining!

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:28

Kate Hoey does appear to be a bit thick. Not sure if it is just on this or if she’s just bad at thinking in general.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:32

Curiosity wrote:

Kate Hoey does appear to be a bit thick. Not sure if it is just on this or if she’s just bad at thinking in general.

I think it's what happens when something you've campaigned for all your life becomes a reality, and you realise you didn't actually think all the things through.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

So, a bit thick then.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 22:20

Colour me unsurprised:

Guardian: MPs attack David Davis for handing over edited Brexit reports

Quote:

Opposition MPs accused the Brexit secretary of leaving out “politically embarrassing” information after he refused to include anything deemed to be market sensitive or that he said could damage the UK’s negotiations with the EU27.

Davis said he was withholding the information because he had “received no assurances from the [Brexit] committee regarding how any information passed will be used”. But that triggered a furious reaction from MPs on the Brexit select committee who were supposed to be handed over the reports after a unanimous and binding vote of MPs.

It's almost as if the government don't even care any more about how pathetic any of this looks.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

A few weeks ago, DExEU: we won't react the impact assessments
Today, handing over redacted impact assessments: this was always the plan

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/935204483390468102

Steve Baker said a few weeks ago that there was no intention to redact anything from the Brexit documents, now Dexeu team saying it was always the plan pic.twitter.com/JaA0HVE5L9
— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 27, 2017

Shameless. Just shameless mendacity. How do they sleep at night?

Meanwhile Hannon has single-handedly invented the EU Single Market: https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/statu ... 6023860224

The way to avoid a border in Ireland is to have an overall UK-EU trade deal based on mutual recognition of standards, veterinary checks etc. Those are the talks we ought to be holding. The delay is not on Britain seems like a good idea, I hope it catches on.

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Nov 27, 2017 22:39

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Meanwhile Hannon has single-handedly invented the EU Single Market:

The one nobody's talking about leaving?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

That's the one!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Speaking of Hannon, the fucking bell-end

https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/statu ... 0313085952

Of all the scare stories propagated by EU supporters, the idea that the UK and Ireland would impose borders after 94 years is the silliest.
— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) November 18, 2015

Nov 2015:

Quote:

Of all the scare stories propagated by EU supporters, the idea that the UK and Ireland would impose borders after 94 years is the silliest.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:43

Daniel Hannan has long been of the view that in the EU we've been ignoring the common law Anglosphere countries and by leaving they would somehow want to work far closer with us. Unfortunately, reality isn't showing that to be the case. The idea that Ireland would prefer the continentals to us must be a horrifying thing for him to contemplate.

devilman · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:18

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

A few weeks ago, DExEU: we won't react the impact assessments
Today, handing over redacted impact assessments: this was always the plan

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/935204483390468102

Steve Baker said a few weeks ago that there was no intention to redact anything from the Brexit documents, now Dexeu team saying it was always the plan pic.twitter.com/JaA0HVE5L9
— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 27, 2017

Shameless. Just shameless mendacity. How do they sleep at night?

A single, paper copy too apparently.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:19

devilman wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

A few weeks ago, DExEU: we won't react the impact assessments
Today, handing over redacted impact assessments: this was always the plan

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/935204483390468102

Steve Baker said a few weeks ago that there was no intention to redact anything from the Brexit documents, now Dexeu team saying it was always the plan pic.twitter.com/JaA0HVE5L9
— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 27, 2017

Shameless. Just shameless mendacity. How do they sleep at night?

A single, paper copy too apparently.

Written in a large font with double spacing so it looks bigger than it is? What is this? Sixth form?

devilman · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:28

Kern wrote:

devilman wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

A few weeks ago, DExEU: we won't react the impact assessments
Today, handing over redacted impact assessments: this was always the plan

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/935204483390468102

Steve Baker said a few weeks ago that there was no intention to redact anything from the Brexit documents, now Dexeu team saying it was always the plan pic.twitter.com/JaA0HVE5L9
— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) November 27, 2017

Shameless. Just shameless mendacity. How do they sleep at night?

A single, paper copy too apparently.

Written in a large font with double spacing so it looks bigger than it is? What is this? Sixth form?

Or printed in a very light grey to make it harder to photocopy or OCR

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:34

It has 'DON'T PANIC' written in large letters on the cover.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38464

Kern wrote:

It has 'DON'T PANIC' written in large letters on the cover.

Crossed out, with STRONG AND STABLE scrawled in yellow crayon underneath

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

That's all it says, all the way through. Everyone thought he was typing it all that time but he wasn't. Then he went berserk and tried to kill everyone.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Kern wrote:

It has 'DON'T PANIC' written in large letters on the cover.

"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"

"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Urgent parliamentary question today basically to ask "what is this horseshit?". Davis bottles it and sends a junior minister in his place. This is embarrassing.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 14:13

It's sad to think that 10 years ago it would have been him leading the charge against the government in a case like this.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 14:55

The Speaker hinted that he would allow them to debate if Davis was in contempt of Parliament. FFS.

Also, the junior minister they sent to answer because Davis was scared stated that the sectoral analysis does not exist in the form that Parliament wants.

The problem is that they have, legally, on the record, previously stated that it does indeed exist and they just don’t want to show it to anyone.

So either way they have lied to Parliament and/or broken FOI laws.

Great job, A+, would trust these clowns with our future again.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:28

Oh dear.

Will any minister start to feel any shame or embarrassment over any of this? It's only the biggest constitutional, social, and economic change in about forty years, after all. This is an abysmal piece of maladministration.

That said, Mr Johnson ought to have gone over the Iranian prisoner affair, and Mrs May is far too weak to exercise any control. How long ago that exit poll in 2015 feels now.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:29

Priti Patel has been shouting about hoe May has been Doing It Wrong and how she should have told the EU to "sod off" over paying cash monies.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Is anyone else just feeling super Strong And Stable right now? Personally, I've never felt so Strong, and my Stability is off the charts.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:32

I wish I hadn't thrown out the single Tory leaflet I got back in May.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:34

Well, you do have a low centre of gravity.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:34

KERN YOU RUINED IT

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:35

Oh, and it's probably nothing, but according to the Guardian someone in Sinn Fein has being talking about 'civil disobedience' if the border comes back.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:36

Grim... wrote:

KERN YOU RUINED IT

Title.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Davis: We can't show you the impact assessments because it would weaken our negotiating position

World: So, they're bad, then?

Davis: I can't answer that because it would weaken our negotiating position

World: But if the papers were good you could release them without weakening out negotiating position. So they must be bad. And the EU know this. In fact, the assessments must be so bad, we're better off letting the EU imagine how bad they are rather than knowing, and so they must in fact be unimaginably bad.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16560

Maybe they're so good that if he shows them now then they'll all want to leave too and so then they'll win or something.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 15:48

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Davis: We can't show you the impact assessments because it would weaken our negotiating position

World: So, they're bad, then?

Davis: I can't answer that because it would weaken our negotiating position

World: But if the papers were good you could release them without weakening out negotiating position. So they must be bad. And the EU know this. In fact, the assessments must be so bad, we're better off letting the EU imagine how bad they are rather than knowing, and so they must in fact be unimaginably bad.

This is painfully true

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 16:04

With each passing day, a military coup is looking more attractive. If only so we can bring back the stocks to parliament square.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Davis: We can't show you the impact assessments because it would weaken our negotiating position

World: So, they're bad, then?

Davis: I can't answer that because it would weaken our negotiating position

World: But if the papers were good you could release them without weakening out negotiating position. So they must be bad. And the EU know this. In fact, the assessments must be so bad, we're better off letting the EU imagine how bad they are rather than knowing, and so they must in fact be unimaginably bad.

Technically "DExEU is incapable of carrying out impact assessments" probably would actually weaken our negotiation position, so that could well be a truthful response.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 16:27

I think we're closer to this position than is comfortable

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Times: "Theresa May is set to approve a politically explosive Brexit bill of up to £50bn after the Conservative Party conference in October in an effort to kickstart trade talks with the European Union. Under plans being drawn up in Whitehall, Britain would pay between £7bn and £17bn a year to Brussels for three years after Brexit before ending sizeable direct payments into EU coffers in time for the 2022 general election."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ther ... -7ttbnc239

That'll go down well, I'm sure.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Bad times for the Tories when even the Telegraph put the boot in.

myp · **Posted:** Tue Nov 28, 2017 21:20

Cavey has been quiet lately. Must be a coincidence.

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