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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:01 
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They should just negotiate blue passports or something and leave everything else the same. Most of the morons who voted for it don't even care by now, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.


Yes, I was toying with this thought the other night. In 2020, will people be voting on the candidates' positions on the EU, or on schools 'n' hospitals? Except for the true hardcore Euronuts (both on the federalist and the leave side), it's not the kind of topic that keeps people up at night.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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They should just negotiate blue passports or something and leave everything else the same. Most of the morons who voted for it don't even care by now, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.

:DD

As funny as this is, I believe

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It's all very clear! :insincere:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ent-policy
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David Davis was expressing his opinion rather than government policy when he said it would be unlikely for Britain to stay in the single market after Brexit negotiations, the prime minister’s spokeswoman has said.

The secretary of state for exiting the EU told MPs on Monday that the government’s priority was securing restrictions to European migration, and conceded that there could be an economic price to pay for that.

“This government is looking at every option but the simple truth is that if a requirement of membership is giving up control of our borders, I think that makes it very improbable,” he said, during a debate that followed his statement updating colleagues on Brexit planning so far.

But a senior Downing Street official sought to distance Theresa May from the statement, saying the prime minister planned to be “ambitious” in talks with other European countries.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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They should just negotiate blue passports or something and leave everything else the same. Most of the morons who voted for it don't even care by now, half of them probably haven't thought about it since the day of the vote.

:DD

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I don't know why I didn't finish this. My brain is serioysly failing me :( I've had some kind of brain blank-out today. I think stress is making me lose time here and there.

I think I was going to say that I think a not unsizeable little pot of Brexiters might actually be placated by that kind of nonsense gesture. That and planting out every roundabout with a Union Jack* made of pansies.

*i prefer this so don't care. Jack sounds friendly.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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You could make it a Union Jack, you'd just also have to plant a boat made of flowers, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Mimi wrote:
I think I was going to say that I think a not unsizeable little pot of Brexiters might actually be placated by that kind of nonsense gesture.


Similarly, Brexiters might have been put off by the EU's attempts to build a sense of nationalism civic loyalty by replacing national symbols with its own when they feel English/British and not 'European'.

I always find the royal arms more off-putting. God and my right my arse!


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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You could make it a Union Jack, you'd just also have to plant a boat made of flowers, too.


Regardless what people on the internet say, it's been fine to call it the Union Jack when not on a ship since 1902, so I think we are ok ;)


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Heh. I remember a drunk heraldry nerd explaining to me in quite some detail one night that the '3 Lions' song is just plain wrong because there are three leopards on the shirt.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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You could make it a Union Jack, you'd just also have to plant a boat made of flowers, too.


Regardless what people on the internet say, it's been fine to call it the Union Jack when not on a ship since 1902, so I think we are ok ;)


Oi! I'm a person on the Internet and I resemble that remark.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Brexit doesn't mean "Brexit", it means "Brexit*".


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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lol

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Theresa May is now making her statement the G20 and Brexit.

She says she knows many people are keen to see rapid progress on Brexit.

But the government must look at this in a sober and considered way.

This is about looking for the right model for Britain.

The government will look at this carefully, she says.

It will not declare its hand prematurely.

And it will not provide a running commentary on what it will do.

May says the government will not provide a “running commentary” on the Brexit negotiations and that it will take its time to get the decision right.

(This is quite a contrast from what David Davis, the Brexit secretary, was saying on Monday. He stressed the government’s desire to keep people informed. May’s comment suggests we might not be getting any more Commons updates on Brexit from Davis for quite some time.)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I suppose pissing off 48% of the country by wanting to leave whilst also pissing off 52% who want us to leave is the kind of approach that King Solomon would approve of.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The obvious solution is to cut Michael Gove in half.

Why stop there. You could cut him into enough pieces so as to be able to give a piece of Gove to each of his loyal fans...


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well quite, in half

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well quite, in half


I just spent at least two minutes looking for the Zing dimlie.

What happened to the Zing dimlie?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well quite, in half


I just spent at least two minutes looking for the Zing dimlie.

What happened to the Zing dimlie?


It was never added but just hotlinked to Dimrils' page

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well quite, in half


I just spent at least two minutes looking for the Zing dimlie.

What happened to the Zing dimlie?


It was never added but just hotlinked to Dimrils' page

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well they're surely a shoo-in now that they have secured the all important British support for their application.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Brexit 'confirmed' for Q1 2017.

Bugger.

Government still utterly clueless about how to negotiate.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Is it? Plenty of talk of the 'great repeal bill', but I've not seen mention of a confirmed date for article 50.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Leaving before the summer of 2019 avoids the awkwardness of running elections to the European Parliament just before we go. But I have no confidence that we would keep to that timetable.

In other news, I'm running out of Eurovision winners for the subtitle.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Is it? Plenty of talk of the 'great repeal bill', but I've not seen mention of a confirmed date for article 50.


Oh wait, yep. "Before the end of March" on Marr.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Is it? Plenty of talk of the 'great repeal bill'


And in a funny way repealing the European Communities Act will be seen by some in the Tory Party as removing the last reminder of Edward Heath.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Is it? Plenty of talk of the 'great repeal bill', but I've not seen mention of a confirmed date for article 50.


"Great" repeal bill.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Getting it through the Lords will be fun.
With their slim majority in the Commons it could have been just as tricky but I have no confidence that Labour are capable of playing the necessary games to upset or frustrate the government.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If the referendum was counted on constituency lines, it would have been 68% leave. Sitting MPs like their jobs too much for any sort of action.

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So thank fuck we don't have a democratically elected upper chamber :)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If the referendum was counted on constituency lines, it would have been 68% leave. Sitting MPs like their jobs too much for any sort of action.


Those losing out on the boundary review or reselection might just think 'fuck it' and try to prevent or obstruct it anyway. But that might just be wishful thinking: a British MP putting principles above party? !


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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GBP:USD at a 168-year low. Oh dear.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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We've done it! We can go back to how it used to be, in those halcyon days of early June.


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Are we really yearning for the halcyon days of the Cameron/Osborne years? The world turned upside down indeed.


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Are we really yearning for the halcyon days of the Cameron/Osborne years? The world turned upside down indeed.


True. And the faces of Gove, Farage and Boris were on TV much more too.

But a million times yes.


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"UK's deal outside EU will be inferior to membership"

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Michel Barnier's press conference - Snap summary

Here are the key lines from the Michel Barnier press conference.

Barnier, the European commission’s chief negotiator, said the deal offered to the UK outside the EU would not be as good as membership. He made this point when setting out the commission’s four priorities for the negotiation. He also said that the UK would not be allowed to cherry pick, and that the four freedoms were indivisible (meaning the EU will not allow free movement of goods to the UK without the UK also allowing free movement of labour). (See 10.50am.)
He said the actual Brexit talks would have to conclude within 18 months. That was because, even though article 50 allows for a two-year withdrawal process, the European commission would need some time at the start to prepare, and around five months would have to be set aside at the end for the European council, the European parliament and the UK parliament to ratify the deal. (See 10.57am.)
He indicated that he wanted to negotiate the terms of Britain leaving the EU before negotiating a final free trade deal between the UK and the EU. The one would have to come after the other, he suggested. This is important because David Davis, the Brexit secretary, has said that he wants to two negotiations to be conducted in parallel.
Barnier indicated that he was open to offering the UK a transitional deal. (See 11.02am.)
He said finding a solution for Ireland that did not threaten the Good Friday agreement would be a priority. (See 10.53am.)
I will post a beefed-up summary soon, with the full quotes.


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Well, this is awkward...

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https://www.ft.com/content/a3d0eff4-c22 ... 7d90f6741a

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Lloyd’s of London to establish EU base in the new year

Insurance market is among first City businesses to firm up Brexit plans

Lloyd’s of London has become one of the first major City businesses to put a timetable on plans to move a part of its operations to the EU in preparation for Brexit.

The 328-year-old insurance market is in the throes of choosing a destination from a short list of five and is likely to put a proposal to its members by February next year.

The market will then seek regulatory clearance for the subsidiary, which will be used to conduct business around the EU using the “passporting” system. This allows financial services businesses to conduct trade across the bloc from a single location.

Lloyd’s chairman, John Nelson, said that the market had decided it needed to act sooner rather than later to protect the 11 per cent of its revenues coming from Europe.

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“Insurance is a mobile business,” he said. “In common with other financial institutions, we need to put our plans in place — at least on a precautionary basis.”

Lloyd’s preferred option remains to keep its European operations concentrated in London. It is possible that the market might shelve its relocation plans if a “no change” deal is struck between the EU and London allowing British financial businesses to trade freely through the single market.

The new subsidiary will cost in the tens of millions to set up and will increase the market’s operating cost, notably in compliance and regulation. Lloyd’s will also have to capitalise the venture separately, which will also place an additional burden on members.

The news emerged as MPs and regulators stepped up pressure on the government to buy the industry more time by seeking transitional arrangements to avert a “cliff edge” effect after Brexit.

A House of Lords committee report called on ministers to make such arrangements an urgent priority when Article 50 is triggered early next year to prevent financial services firms from restructuring or relocating on the basis of a “worst-case” scenario.

The chair of the EU financial affairs subcommittee, Baroness Falkner, expressed concern that the government was not making this objective enough of a priority. Referring to evidence given to the committee by the City minister, Simon Kirby, she said that “he did not seem as seized of the matter as we might have expected him to be”.

The committee’s call has also been echoed by the UK’s top supervisor of banks and insurers, who told parliamentarians that transitional arrangements to smooth Britain’s exit from the European Union should be agreed ideally within nine months after the official Brexit mechanism is triggered.

In common with other financial institutions, we need to put our plans in place — at least on a precautionary basis
Lloyd’s chairman, John Nelson
Sam Woods, head of the Bank of England’s Prudential Regulation Authority, told the Treasury select committee on Wednesday that clarity around transitional arrangements was vital for financial stability, not just for the UK but for Europe too.

“The important thing is to have some kind of clarity on the transitional [deal], and the sooner the better,” Mr Woods told MPs. Such a deal “would reduce the risks but this seems just as true for the EU as it would be for the UK”.

He added: “Firms will make their first sort of decisions [around contingency planning] in a small number of months . . . the sooner a transitional arrangement is agreed the better in terms of obviating activities, and letting regulators here and on the continent agree” a course of action.

Mr Woods’ position is in line with his boss, Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England. The chancellor, Philip Hammond, has also called for transitional arrangements, which some Brexiters view with scepticism because they are pushing for a “clean break” with the EU.

David Davis, Brexit secretary, also conceded on Wednesday that transitional arrangements may be needed.

Mr Davis had earlier said that a trade deal could be agreed alongside a divorce settlement within the two-year Article 50 process, a view not widely shared in the Treasury or in Brussels.
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Feels significant.

Kind of. However in reality, of all the financial services businesses in the City, Lloyd's is the one that would find it hardest to move wholesale whatever the outcomes. It's similar to when you have a big car plant threatened with closure, it isn't the effect of the jobs in the plant itself, it is all the ancillary businesses that supply them nearby.

Lloyd's has a lot of people working in *that* building, but there are many many more (Brokers, MGAs, Insurers) working within walking distance that Lloyd's wholly depends on to make the model work. On the brightside, by having an EU presence such that not everything passes through the building they may finally scrap the amount of paper that they use.

Also worth noting that EU business, while significant to Lloyd's, is only a small proportion of their premium income. In 2016, "EU, non UK" only accounted for 14%, with US and Canada accounting for 47%.


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BBC: Migrant farm workers may stay after Brexit but red tape goes
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The environment secretary says she is "absolutely committed" to ensuring that British farmers have access to migrant workers after Brexit.

Andrea Leadsom said the government would ensure the food and farming sectors have the labour they need but the details were not settled yet.


If I were running an interest group I'd be getting my demands in to ministers now, and not stop harassing them. What I can see happening is that every sector will be demanding exemptions and special treatment so that the eventual out come of leaving the EU will be very much like being in it, except crappier. But we'll have blue passports again and £350 million a week to blow on political favours so that'll be ok.


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BBC: Migrant farm workers may stay after Brexit but red tape goes
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The environment secretary says she is "absolutely committed" to ensuring that British farmers have access to migrant workers after Brexit.

Andrea Leadsom said the government would ensure the food and farming sectors have the labour they need but the details were not settled yet.


If I were running an interest group I'd be getting my demands in to ministers now, and not stop harassing them. What I can see happening is that every sector will be demanding exemptions and special treatment so that the eventual out come of leaving the EU will be very much like being in it, except crappier. But we'll have blue passports again and £350 million a week to blow on political favours so that'll be ok.


I agree. It's lunacy.

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