Be Excellent To Each Other

Finally some actual footage of the game being played.

*warning* Includes excitable crowd noises throughout. *warning*



I thought it looked a bit boring, repetitive, didn't show any outstanding level design and I didn't like the chainsaw neither.

Jesus, that looks dull. Why doesn't he kill any of the monsters? They'll add a dialog wheel next.

I hope it has RPG-like levelling up elements.

not exactly ground breaking, but looks like a fairly decent romp. There's obviously been a lot of effort put into it and seems to play smoothly. The monsters seem a bit shit, and the level design does look repetitive, but I'd still buy it.

New Doom campaign trailer is out.

Part of me thinks it looks uninspired with the same furnace environments that makes me want to roll my eyes, and then another part of me wonders whether they've gone for Old Doom combat and crazy nonsense that'll be a ton of fun.

I was previously sure that it'd be a load of old dirty socks in a teenagers bin but now I'm confused that it might just actually be groovy fun.

I think it looks brilliant. I do love a good straight up single player shooter, e.g. the last two Wolfenstein games, this looks like them but morererer.

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I played a few hours of this over the weekend, via the closed private beta (I got an invite through buying Wolfenstein.)

I was pretty impressed. MP is an unapologetic arena shooter. You move really, really fast (like 3x or 4x the movement speed of a CoD style shooter), and you can double jump so there's quite a bit of verticality too. Pickups are chunky and glowing, which is another old-school touch. The beta had two game modes: team deathmatch and warpath. The latter is like King of the Hill (get to zone to capture it, then hold it against the other team) except the zone moves around the level at about 1/2 of walking speed. This was pretty cool.

One downside is the weapons didn't feel all that... well, meaty, I guess. But perhaps I'm just pining for Unreal Tournament's flak cannon. They do all have alt-fire modes, which opens up tactical options that are often missing in modern shooters.

I could be all over this with enough Bezziage.

Is that finished now? I've had that card knocking around for years it seems.

I think its still valid until some point later today

Fucksake. Oh well I'll be buying it anyway and I'm mostly interested in the campaign.

I also tried the beta over the weekend (PS4) and this was my biggest gripe - I was playing assualt so using a rocket launcher and it needed maybe about 5 direct hits to kill - I understand that a one hit kill for a standard weapon may be a bit of a challenge but the amount of damage I needed to kill seemed to be too much.

And thats wrong - it finished last night

http://doom.com/en-gb/beta

Not mine but if you want to see what the gameplay on the beta looks like

I guess the problem is you can spawn with a rocket launcher and a decent amount of ammo. It's a default gun, now, rather than a contested map pickup, so it has to be powered accordingly. Did you ever manage to get any of the "power weapons" you can pick up? I didn't, although I think I was on the wrong end of them a few times. Those are more parallel to the power of the rocket launcher in old Doom, maybe.

I didn't get on with the rocket launcher at all. Plasma rifle, lightning gun, and super shotgun for me.

Really like the look of this. I do like my old skool shooters

Yeah, this looks right up my street.

BOOM! Schlick-schlock


Does that happen?

Accidentally jumped on the hype train for this and preordered it.

So this is damned cool:
https://youtu.be/_hY3mVw2p3E

That's awesome.

Don't like the melee animations though.

£32.85 from here:

http://deals.simplygames.com/p/doom--in ... ck-dlc-ps4

That is kind of cool but am I alone in thinking it's pretty crap that an easter egg in a game is being officially revealed in detail on Youtube by the developers? The joy of these things is just stumbling across them yourself.

That's really nice. I thought "oh that looks like..." and then the man said E1M2 and I WAS PLEASED. Game looks good, but I dislike the shimmering monsters.

It is a great help to people like me.

Shame that it doesn't also include some of the original DOOM monsters, sprites and all.

I have seen over the years reference to "sprites" and their being in some way not the same as graphics, or somehow they behave differently to "some other sort of graphical representation of character". what are they and how are they different?

Sprites are 2D objects inserted into a scene, basically. So in the original Doom the levels are created in 3D, but the enemies and items are 2D sprites (which is why they always face you when you circle around them).

Of course you can have 2D sprites in 2D scene as well (so in Monkey Island, Guybrush is a sprite).

A sprite is an image. Often the sprite is made up of lots of different images than allow it to animate, like in a flick book.

Here's a load of images of Mario - you'd call this image a "sprite sheet". The computer can choose which bits to display on the screen.



3D models are more complex, and consist of a bare model that has a texture wrapped around it to make it look pretty. Rather than being animated in a traditional sense, a 3D model moves computationally, its various bits and pieces shifting around being handled by a rendering engine.

Here's a 3D model, with and without its texture.

All right, show off.

Obv that bit isn't true. Enemies can and sometimes do face away from you. (Objects don't though, I think.)

Yeah, sorry. It's been a while.

Is that right? I thought they faced different directions while they walked about, but once they saw you they always faced you?

Although, like Myp, it's a long time ago.

They're almost always attacking you, which involves facing forward, but if you get them to start fighting each other you can sometimes see their backs.

Some of them also start with their back's to you, and if you are so inclined you can try and walk past them as they react to noise and line of sight

Cool, thank you.

Nah.

You could get them attacking one another, in which case they'd be facing one another. Or the pink demons, which would run at you in zig zag style. Or when they couldn't reliably path to you. Or...

There's been a lot of chat about this lately. This was posted recently.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/201 ... tyishard/1

And people were talking about how they could not beat the game on the hardest setting because there wasn't enough ammo (not nearly enough apparently). Then some one mentioned what you said there, about how you needed to get them to kill each other.

I am reading "Masters of Doom" at the moment which is about Romero and Carmack. It's pretty interesting but a bit in awe of them at times. Worth getting second hand at least.

Well, the original Doom, I don't remember ammo shortages being much of a problem, although you may not have the type you wish for. When they added nightmare mode, there's not enough by definition - the monsters respawn and the ammo doesn't. The initial numbers of monsters in nightmare and ultraviolence were the same though.

In ultra violence and nightmare, the key was to hoarde your ammo for the more powerful weapons, and just use the weaker ones as much as possible, once you got the chainsaw, use that as much as possible. I am fairly sure I 100% completed (kills, secrets and items) nightmare (Not in one sitting mind) and you really needed to 100% the items to 100% the kills.

In ultra violence and nightmare, the key was to hoarde your ammo for the more powerful weapons, and just use the weaker ones as much as possible, once you got the chainsaw, use that as much as possible. I am fairly sure I 100% completed (kills, secrets and items) nightmare (Not in one sitting mind) and you really needed to 100% the items to 100% the kills.

Love the fact they are using Refused's 'New Noise' on the advert for this.

Romero and Carmack had a Kickstarter project up for a new game they were working on, but cancelled it.

I wonder if that's because all of the headline marketing around it made it sound as if it was John Carmack when it's actually Adrian Carmack involved, who I've never heard of before but was a part of id Software (which I also recently learned is pronounced "idd" rather than "eye-dee")

What? Seriously?

I thought that was common knowledge.

Yep. It's the Freud id.

That's why it's never capitalised

Except that they don't capitalise it when it's at the start of a sentence, which is broken and wrong.

I had a chance to meet John Romero at the last retro revival event in Wolverhampton. I was going to get him to sign Daikatana on the N64 but for some reason... I didn't.

I regret that now.

It probably is, but I've never heard it spoken out loud until I saw that DOOM easter egg video.