Just Cause 3

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

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LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I've heard a few rumblings of this having significant technical troubles on all platforms. Might want to hold off for reviews.

Morte · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:49

When does the review embargo get lifted?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

Morte wrote:

When does the review embargo get lifted?

I think its today at some point

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:30

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/just_caus ... eport.html

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Just Cause 3 can drop to 17fps on Xbox One, suffer 15 minute load times

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:42

Uh-oh.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Yeah, seen quite a few people moaning about low frame rates.

If it's as bad as 17 then I think they've just cause to complain quite frankly.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

A couple of reviews popped up in my RSS feed:

http://www.destructoid.com/review-just- ... 2878.phtml
http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/just-ca ... 0-6416323/

The game itself sounds great and although the Gamespot guy reported some glitches this was the added summary paragraph:

Quote:

Editor's Note: The majority of our time with Just Cause 3 was spent with the PC version, followed by several hours on both PS4 and Xbox One. Based on the review builds provided, the game performed better on PC, with higher and more stable frame rates, fewer bugs, and better looking environments. However, the problems did not affect the overall experience enough to impact individual scores.

The comments in the body of the review call out issues with AI and checkpointing rather than the raw technical issues that were rumoured. Selfishly it's still a bit worrying that both reviews were based on all or most time spent on the PC version. While that does rule out an Arkham Knight-esque Windows disaster I'm still suspicious of the performance on the console versions given the open world and explodey nature of the game.

ETA: Oh, and there's some worrying chat about how online the game is desperate to be. While an online connection isn't required, it will constantly check for one and force pause the game over and over if it can't get one. On the PC that means putting Steam into offline mode, which is irritating enough, but on the consoles presumably you'd need to just kill their internet connection entirely if you were getting any problems.

Morte · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:18

...I just wanna blow shit up.

Still looking forward to having go on this...

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:19

From what I've read this morning it appears to be pretty broken on everything but the PC.

DF report is here, but it doesn't mention the hellish load times some people are experiencing: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... e-analysis

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2015 14:24

Sounds just like JC2 only with better graphics (and thus awful performance).

I'd still be all over it if it weren't for Fallout 4. I'm 48 hours in and don't see it stopping any time soon. Bargain bin perhaps?

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

The Eurogamer review's come along a bit later because, allegedly, they wanted to spend more time with patches that were released yesterday and the news isn't great:

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More problematic still are the game's technical issues. Loading screens are frequent, ponderous and distracting, with waits of a minute or more to restart challenges or reload checkpoints. Minor physics glitches abound, though that's hardly unique in a game this size. That doesn't make it any less annoying when, for example, the helicopter you call in from an airdrop lands and is on fire for no reason. Or when the car you're using in a race suddenly vanishes, leaving Rico standing in the middle of the road.

It's the frame rate that truly strikes at the heart of Just Cause 3 though. This is a game built around massive, explosive anarchy, yet (on console) the game engine slows to a crawl whenever that actually happens. Not just occasionally, but constantly. Even during quieter moments, it's an unpredictable thing. The fact that the game's raison d'etre makes it feel like you're playing in treacle is a real enthusiasm killer, especially when that sluggishness results in your death and another elongated loading delay.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... e-3-review

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2015 15:48

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Or when the car you're using in a race suddenly vanishes, leaving Rico standing in the middle of the road.

I'm not convinced that can be described as a "minor physics glitch".

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

I've been reading the gaming Reddit (the serious no fun one) and peeps are saying the loading times are no worse than GTAV after a death/restart and are, in fact, better. So, y'know, anecdotal stuff.

Grim... · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2015 16:14

http://i.imgur.com/wM3GIK8.gifv

TheVision · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2015 22:08

Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/wM3GIK8.gifv

That looks awesome!

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:28

Just finally got around to buying this. Installing it now

Morte · **Posted:** Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:44

I was playing it over Christmas on the Xbone, no problems to report, seemed to work fine.

(And it's all rather lovely and explode-y)

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

I've had no problems on PS4. Initial load into game is long, but reset time isn't something I wouldn't have thought to mention without it being in the news. I've been repeating challenges too, which I normally stop the moment a reload gets too trying.

It's silly, stupid fun.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

This is all kinds of the usual JC fun. It's lovely, but there ain't many vehicles pondering about so it can feel a wee bit empty but then you steal a helicopter, jump out, parachute down, grapple a car, jump on top, tether the car to the helicopter and jump off as explosions explode. Then you get a rocket launcher and just blow shit up as shit blows up. It's fucking awesome.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Whoever decided the fourth mission in should be an irritating-beyond-all-belief escort mission can get to fucking fuck. I lost eight or nine times in a row because the truck I was protecting got wedged into an impromptu road block of multiple bad guys, while I desperately attempted to protect it without being tossed miles away by an errant explosion, fighting the controls to get back. Eventually, it just randomly succeeded when the truck casually drove around the road block on the 10th attempt. I didn't do anything different.

I played JC2 on easy, and felt the game well-suited to this; it becomes an overpowered romp. It's a game that doesn't know how to be challenging without getting irritating IMO. I am most annoyed that JC3 doesn't have difficulty levels.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

I'm a fair way in and weirdly have no recollection of that mission

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:19

This sounds like a game I could be interested in but I haven't played the first two. Does that matter?

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4299

TheVision wrote:

This sounds like a game I could be interested in but I haven't played the first two. Does that matter?

I've not played 3, but I can't imagine not playing the first two would matter. Story and character are not this game's strong suits.

But the fact you haven't played JC2 is negligent in the extreme. Not playing JC1 is excusable because it's actually pretty pap.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

I don't think I'm having fun right in this.

I'm about 3 missions from the end and it's all a bit repetitive for my tastes. The missions are alright and they do try and vary what you're expected to do but missions soon get locked behind conditions such as clearing an entire region of enemy occupation. You do this by going into a town and have to smash all the destructibles (a statue, 5 fuel things, a propaganda van, 3 speakers, 4 of this and 3 of that). It starts off alright and you're like "Pew pew pew" but by the 20th town you just smash stuff until a helicopter arrives, hijack it (piece of piss cause they soon fly within grapple distance) and then use the rockets to blow everything up without much effort. Or just rock up in a helicopter.

Repeat and rinse that for every single town on the map and you have a boring gaming cycle. Some bases are so small that I could circle strafe an outpost with rockets and blow it to shit in seconds. Some of the larger installations require more time but if you do manage to die cause you're a spaz the you'll restart outside the installation with all the stuff you've blown up remaining blown up leaving you free to get a helicopter and finish it off.

You "could" however use your tethers, all the different guns, vehicles and what not to destroy a base in the most creative way but where's the incentive when a helicopter will be along any minute? The cheevos perhaps? Well when they're done; they're done (I might be wrong but there's about 10 I think for things such as finishing a base without weapons, and such like). The challenges perhaps? You'll notice a list appear every now and again showing you, say, that you're 10th in a list of your friends for staying in a 5 star wanted rating and a timer is ticking showing you that you've got another minute and you'll grab number 9 spot of Krazywookie or whatever. It's kinda interesting but they don't affect the gaming cycle of smashing towns.

I think the main problem is that I'm playing it in chunks when it's more designed for a quick in and out (title) to maintain the fun factor. If you start looking closely at closely it becomes more of a chore to play.

Anyhoo, occasionally something mental might happen and you'll pull off some wacky stunt by accident...

... before a rocket blows you up.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

I've been playing this for a few days now and am generally loving just roaming around the islands freeing up the towns and military installations by blowing shit up. It is repetitive as a few people have mentioned but I like the zen-explosioning of it all. I had almost completely neglected the main missions and spent some time following them last night, which is about where the wheels are likely to come off I reckon. The first few were okay but I've now hit a fucking escort mission. Obviously escort missions are a crime against game design at the best of times, but this is an especially egregious offender because of the unpredictable nature of JC3s physics sandbox. Also, because the game designers hate you, you need to protect two vehicles--one on the ground and one in the air--from the combined assault of various tanks, jeeps, attack helicopters and missile battery emplacements. It's exactly the type of mission I despise and the nature of this makes it the worst example of such so I'm not entirely sure I'm going to bother going any further lest I smash my control pad to bits. I'll give it another couple of shots then probably fuck it off and just go back to freeing all the islands. Once that's done so is the game for me. Which is fine, albeit slightly annoying, because it was 'free' and I've already had loads more fun with it than I ever expected to. Still, I genuinely don't understand why anyone in a modern game dev studio who suggests an escort missions isn't just fired instantly; it's hardly a secret how much pretty much everyone hates this shit.

TheVision · **Posted:** Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:12

Agreed. Escort missions are the worst. I can't think of a single one that has been good.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16559

Yeah I gave up on one of those after it checkpointed when the car I was meant to be escorting had a sliver of health left and the loading takes fucking ages.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

markg wrote:

Yeah I gave up on one of those after it checkpointed when the car I was meant to be escorting had a sliver of health left and the loading takes fucking ages.

Jesus, that's even worse than I expected. I know there are checkpoints throughout these missions so I'd assumed they'd be generous and refill the escortees health at each one. Yeah, fuck that noise.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

TheVision wrote:

Agreed. Escort missions are the worst. I can't think of a single one that has been good.

ICO is an alright game and it's basically one long escort mission. It's good despite that, not because of it though.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Bamba wrote:

Obviously escort missions are a crime against game design at the best of times, but this is an especially egregious offender because of the unpredictable nature of JC3s physics sandbox. Also, because the game designers hate you, you need to protect two vehicles--one on the ground and one in the air--from the combined assault of various tanks, jeeps, attack helicopters and missile battery emplacements. It's exactly the type of mission I despise and the nature of this makes it the worst example of such so

JC3 is hateful for this. From this very page:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Whoever decided the fourth mission in should be an irritating-beyond-all-belief escort mission can get to fucking fuck. I lost eight or nine times in a row because the truck I was protecting got wedged into an impromptu road block of multiple bad guys, while I desperately attempted to protect it without being tossed miles away by an errant explosion, fighting the controls to get back. Eventually, it just randomly succeeded when the truck casually drove around the road block on the 10th attempt. I didn't do anything different.

I played JC2 on easy, and felt the game well-suited to this; it becomes an overpowered romp. It's a game that doesn't know how to be challenging without getting irritating IMO. I am most annoyed that JC3 doesn't have difficulty levels.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

Bamba wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Agreed. Escort missions are the worst. I can't think of a single one that has been good.

ICO is an alright game and it's basically one long escort mission. It's good despite that, not because of it though.

All Ghillied Up.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Wed Aug 23, 2017 21:02

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

JC3 is hateful for this. From this very page:

Good time for a page break.

The thing about ico is that it was designed entirely around being an escorts quest. Most escort missions don't have this focus.

See also: shitty stealth sections in games with no well realised stealth system.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I like splosions.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Mr Dave wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

JC3 is hateful for this. From this very page:

Good time for a page break.

The thing about ico is that it was designed entirely around being an escorts quest. Most escort missions don't have this focus.

See also: shitty stealth sections in games with no well realised stealth system.

Aye, I agree in general about ICO, though it was still fucking infuriating in places and I don't really believe that having to dig the useless fucker out of yet another hole actually added much to the game.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

MrChris wrote:

I like splosions.

Right.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

There is literally nothing else to JC.

I did prefer 2, though. This one feels a bit off in comparison... Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

MrChris wrote:

Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

Why would you put up with mediocre crap, though, even if there's some bits that remind you of something great...

MrChris wrote:

This makes no sense, as the prequels are ace.

Anyone who thinks different is broken and an infidel.

Oh.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

MrChris wrote:

There is literally nothing else to JC.

I did prefer 2, though. This one feels a bit off in comparison... Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

If I hadn't virtually rolled my eyes at you there, would you have bothered to come through with that genuinely constructive post? And, if not, why not? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

MrChris wrote:

Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

Why would you put up with mediocre crap, though, even if there's some bits that remind you of something great...

MrChris wrote:

This makes no sense, as the prequels are ace.

Anyone who thinks different is broken and an infidel.

Oh.

do you have a bookmark file for everyone for "if he says x, I have y"? You obsessive bastard

Edit - also they ARE empirically ace.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Bamba wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There is literally nothing else to JC.

I did prefer 2, though. This one feels a bit off in comparison... Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

If I hadn't virtually rolled my eyes at you there, would you have bothered to come through with that genuinely constructive post? And, if not, why not? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

honest answer is I'm posting on a tablet and that drives me towards short posts as I hate typing with these ducking things. If I was on a laptop I'd be typing something linger. Simple as that really.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

MrChris wrote:

Bamba wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There is literally nothing else to JC.

I did prefer 2, though. This one feels a bit off in comparison... Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

If I hadn't virtually rolled my eyes at you there, would you have bothered to come through with that genuinely constructive post? And, if not, why not? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

honest answer is I'm posting on a tablet and that drives me towards short posts as I hate typing with these ducking things. If I was on a laptop I'd be typing something linger. Simple as that really.

Fair enough.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Also you scare me

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

MrChris wrote:

Also you scare me

Also fair enough.

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MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

MrChris wrote:

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do you have a bookmark file for everyone for "if he says x, I have y"? You obsessive bastard

Edit - also they ARE empirically ace.

No just for this one time

And I will never tire of dunking on you for it

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I have no problem with you continually pointing out how right I am.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Wed Aug 23, 2017 23:39

MrChris wrote:

Bamba wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There is literally nothing else to JC.

I did prefer 2, though. This one feels a bit off in comparison... Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

If I hadn't virtually rolled my eyes at you there, would you have bothered to come through with that genuinely constructive post? And, if not, why not? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

honest answer is I'm posting on a tablet and that drives me towards short posts as I hate typing with these ducking things. If I was on a laptop I'd be typing something linger. Simple as that really.

Do you have to, do you have to, do you have to...

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Curiosity wrote:

MrChris wrote:

Bamba wrote:

MrChris wrote:

There is literally nothing else to JC.

I did prefer 2, though. This one feels a bit off in comparison... Can't really articulate why but its just a bit meh-ish. The missions are less fun, and the aiming is less intuitive. But lovely lovely splosions.

If I hadn't virtually rolled my eyes at you there, would you have bothered to come through with that genuinely constructive post? And, if not, why not? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

honest answer is I'm posting on a tablet and that drives me towards short posts as I hate typing with these ducking things. If I was on a laptop I'd be typing something linger. Simple as that really.

Do you have to, do you have to, do you have to...

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

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